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Lawsuit Against Ubisoft for Starforce 106

Cyber Akuma writes "Due to Ubisoft's intentional use of the highly controversial copy protection scheme Starforce, despite user protests and purposeful deletion of any forum discussions about the protection, Christopher Spence has filed a 5 Million Dollar lawsuit against the company for use of the crippling DRM in their games. Starforce has been reported to cause system instability, slowdowns, and possible damage to optical drives. As well as questionable business practices when dealing with customers and other companies, which has been reported on Slashdot before."
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Lawsuit Against Ubisoft for Starforce

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  • by DaHat ( 247651 ) on Monday April 03, 2006 @09:35AM (#15049444)
    Wait... we don't like Starforce... go get em Chris!!!

    It is often a shame IMO when legal action is the only way to take care of issues such as the wonderful rootkits, spyware and drm on music and video game disks.
  • All I know is this: (Score:0, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 03, 2006 @09:35AM (#15049448)
    they better have read the EULA, because I'm sure Ubisoft covered their tracks long, long ago.
  • Anecdotal Evidence (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 03, 2006 @09:39AM (#15049485)
    "For example, here's one of the common problems brought by Starforce: under Windows XP, if packets are lost during the reading or writing of a disk, XP interprets this as an error and steps the IDE speed down. Eventually it will revert to 16bit compatibility mode rendering a CD/DVD writer virtually unusable. In some circumstances certain drives cannot cope with this mode and it results in physical hardware failure (Most commonly in multiformat CD/DVD writer drives). A sure sign of this step down occurring is that the burn speeds will get slower and slower (no matter what speed you select to burn at). Starforce, on a regular basis, triggers this silent step down. Until it reaches the latter stages most people do not even realise it is happening."

    Proof? Out-of-specs equipment? (remember the problem one of the linux distros had).
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 03, 2006 @09:56AM (#15049597)
    "they better have read the EULA, because I'm sure Ubisoft covered their tracks long, long ago."''

    It says on the outside of the box, before you buy it that you may have problems with some hardware and why. Ubisoft can't be responsable for people not reading what's in front of them.
  • Re:do some research (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Thalagyrt ( 851883 ) * on Monday April 03, 2006 @10:18AM (#15049738)
    Actually, quite a few StarForce game have been cracked. Try looking each game up on TorrentSpy, you'll see that a lot of them are avaliable there. And yes, it is an EXE patch as far as I'm aware. Once one game protected by a certain scheme is cracked, the rest are pretty simple to crack since you just have to look for the same patterns, provided it's the same version of the protection scheme.

    I may be wrong about this, but it's what I've seen so far. I haven't downloaded any StarForce protected games so I don't know for sure how the pirated copies work, but the fact that there are pirated copies avaliable says that there is some way to run them without the disc, and without really bad hassles.
  • Re:Dude..... (Score:2, Interesting)

    by ZekeSulastin ( 965715 ) on Monday April 03, 2006 @10:37AM (#15049884)
    You DID read the legal brief and/or the many, MANY posts on just about every major gaming blog concerning StarForce, right? Even if it doesn't permanently damage your optical drives, cause extreme system slowdown, or make it impossible to burn a CD/DVD (all of which have been reported to happen), it grants system-level access to user-level applications - introducing yet another security hole into Windows, one within a payload much more likely to be used by many users. Also, the company itself acts far superior to their customers, discounts and/or deletes anything on their site claiming StarForce damage, relies on a heavily biased contest result to prove their point ("Hey, come fly out to Moscow and prove to us on our own PC that we've set up for you that StarForce causes damage!!! Wait, no one came? YOU ALL R LIARZ OMGWTFLOL!!!"), and threatens with legal action many others who post about their difficulties. Thus, they lose on all counts ...
  • by KDR_11k ( 778916 ) on Monday April 03, 2006 @11:18AM (#15050284)
    "What you reap is what you sow".

    I hope it stops these practices, I've held off from purchasing quite a few games because I'm not sure starforce is trustworthy and I'm VERY sure that I as a legitimate customer do not tolerate being treated like a criminal. Well, actually the criminals get treated much better since the warez versions usually remove such inconveniences completely. "Here's your reward for purchasing our software instead of downloading: A worse user experience! Isn't that great?"
  • by cluke ( 30394 ) on Monday April 03, 2006 @11:48AM (#15050605)
    Shit!! This happened to my system about a year ago. Everything slowed WAAYY down. It was driving me mad, and after about 4 hours googling and messing about I finally worked out my IDE drive wasn't using DMA anymore (or something along those lines, it was a while ago now). Had to delete the IDE drivers for XP to 'automatically' reinstate them. That was a sweaty-palmed few seconds after that reboot, I can tell you!

    I was baffled to how this happened (just blamed Windows ;-), but after reading this I am wondering if it is possible Splinter Cell:Pandora Tomorrow has this protection and caused the slowdown? If so, I am *not* pleased... though good to finally find out what the hell happened.

    Anyway, if so, that will be the last Ubisoft game I buy.
  • by JordanL ( 886154 ) <jordan,ledoux&gmail,com> on Monday April 03, 2006 @12:58PM (#15051344) Homepage
    Happened to me. Completely toasted my Dual-Layer DVD/CD combo burner/rewrite drive.

    Had no clue why until the first article on /. about Starforce appeared. Checked on my computer and sure enough, there it was. Had to go out and buy a whole new goddamn drive.
  • by sumdumass ( 711423 ) on Monday April 03, 2006 @01:26PM (#15051620) Journal
    But McDonald's hot coffee was a real problem.

    What most people don't know want to admit is that the hot coffe suite wasn't about someoen spilling coffe, it was about a company serving coffe that was too hot for the cups they served it in. Yes, the coffee was so hot it melted the cups and caused the lids to come off. After recieving many complaints about it at that particular (yes it was only one store serving it this hot too) store, a customer suffered third degree burns on thier crotch and leg areas.

    MCdonalds offered a free coffee replacment after being told about it. after seeking treatment, MCdonalds offered some small amount of money. Thats when she decided to sue for medical bills and this store offered a settlement of some low amount that wouldn't even pay for the drugs. The lawsuite was originaly for medical bills but when the jurry found that the store has paid medical claims in the past over the exact same complaints that specificaly claimed the lid to the coffee cup melted off and caused the spill, they decided the company was purposley serving a faulty and dangerous product and riased the punitive damages.

    Of course on apeal, the judgment was lowered to a number more closly resembling the original requested amount. It wasn't frivilous by anymeans except maybe the jurry's huge sum of money they awarded to punish MCdonalds.

    Now, malpractice.. This is a fun subject for several reasons. I specificaly know a person that suffered from malpractice. He had an operation on his heart to fix a valve when he was little (about 10-13 years of age). The breast plate didn't grow back properly and cause the r ibcage to slip under the one side and protrude inot his heart. The fix was to cut the sternum back on both sides do somethign to the bones and re attach them properly. This is were the malpractice comes in. The doctor who decided to scheldule a vacation the next day after open heart surgury,felt rushed by his plans and instead of cutting both side as they explained the operation or e ven performing the operation as the "plan" called for too some shortcuts. First they only cut one side, second instead of trimming out the exccess material that grew form t he first botch repair, they re wired the ribcage under the breastplate in a position that opened the lungs up a little. Then he rewired the sternum shut at an angle that caused inability to stand up straight. Of course claiming the entire poeration had been done as they initialy claimed it was, the coverup causes the therope to work on standing straight wich caused the wires to break and the ribs to seperate again. Now because it was easier to slop the poeration and keep the vacation plans, i have a 26 year old friend who has wires sticking into his lungs causing breathing problems. Ribs abd sternum plates resting directly on his heart and if he moves too suddenly,he has shooting pain that mimics a heart attack two years after the operation. To make things worse, when the wires broke, and when the ribs fell again, and when the sternuum droped onto the heart, the doctors said that it was normal and he would get used to it in time. To make things even worse, knowing this was going on, the doctors saw that the insurance was starting to run past the amount of time aloted for recovery and sent him back to work as an automechanic were he couldn't use his arms above his chest without lots of pain and got laid off because he couldn't perform his job. (now without insurance at all) It is almost as if they tried to make him broke so he didn't have enough money to get a lawer.

    If a lawsuite over that malpractice is firvolous, then I say we need more of them. This isn't a surgeon forgeting to remove all his tools. Although i would consider that malpractice too. I have seen people fired for leaving tools at job sites. This isn't some mild mistake either, it is a surgeon who deliberatly changed the operation so he didn't miss the flight to cancoon.

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