Lawsuit Against Ubisoft for Starforce 106
Cyber Akuma writes "Due to Ubisoft's intentional use of the highly controversial copy protection scheme Starforce, despite user protests and purposeful deletion of any forum discussions about the protection, Christopher Spence has filed a 5 Million Dollar lawsuit against the company for use of the crippling DRM in their games. Starforce has been reported to cause system instability, slowdowns, and possible damage to optical drives. As well as questionable business practices when dealing with customers and other companies, which has been reported on Slashdot before."
Not enough damage... (Score:4, Insightful)
Hope he wins (Score:1, Insightful)
One thing I'd lie to see (Score:4, Insightful)
It would certainly not be a trivial effort to organize something like this. But it would be better proof to the publishers that we don't necessarily need what they have to offer us. They provide us with services and products (luxuries, at that) that we can choose to buy. Don't tattle to mommy government so she can slap the publishers on the wrist and leave them looking for different means to screw you. Just starve them straight. If gamers can't do this, that's just proof that publishers can do whatever they want to you.
After all, we are not talking about (sigh) Windows, which someone might actually need for some reason. These are *games*.
Re:Dude..... (Score:5, Insightful)
There's a probability of scratching each time. It also drains battery on laptops.
When games first started coming out on CD, they all required you to have the game disk in the drive. Yet people didn't complain.
And you couldn't blow 640 MB * num cds in drive space on a whim then either.
The requirement to change disks hasn't stopped people from playing console games.Hell, some games require you to change disks while the game is still playing! Yet, no one minds.
Consoles are not general purpose machines. Why shouldn't someone be able to play a CD while playing a game?
The whole "steal the game to avoid having to use the disk" has got to be one of the lamest excuses for theft ever.
If you've bought the game, how is it stealing to use the crack?
Re:Dude..... (Score:0, Insightful)
There's a probability of scratching each time. It also drains battery on laptops.
I suppose, techncially, there is a probability of scratching them. It's close to 0, but it still exists. Although if you handle the disks properly, you'll never have that problem.
As for "drains battery on laptops" the drain coming from the CD is minimal compared to trying to play a game on a laptop in the first place. You're going to be losing more power to the CPU and GPU than you will to the CD-ROM.
Consoles are not general purpose machines. Why shouldn't someone be able to play a CD while playing a game?
Consoles are machines designed to play games. If "not having to use a disk" was really an important requirement for playing games, consoles wouldn't require you to swap disks to play games. It's not, so they do.
As for playing a CD while playing a game, if you really needed that feature, you could always try a portable CD player. Or just slap another CD-ROM drive in. Or import the tracks into iTunes and play through that. Plenty of ways to accomplish the same thing without resorting to theft.
If you've bought the game, how is it stealing to use the crack?
Well, let's see, you're getting an illegally modified copy of the game without compensating the owner. I'd call that theft. But, if you'd rather, you can always call it "copyright violation". I find that to be a little too unweildy, and would rather use the simpler term: stealing.
If you've bought the game, you already have a way to use it legitimately. Refusing to use that way and supporting pirates by using the cracked version of the game is still illegal. No matter how you try to spin it, it's still illegal. And, if you really did legally buy the game, it's also extremely pointless and stupid.
Re:Dude..... (Score:5, Insightful)
It's not like it's a new thing, either. When games first started coming out on CD, they all required you to have the game disk in the drive. Yet people didn't complain.
The requirement to change disks hasn't stopped people from playing console games. Hell, some games require you to change disks while the game is still playing! Yet, no one minds.
The whole "steal the game to avoid having to use the disk" has got to be one of the lamest excuses for theft ever. "See, judge, I wanna make my life slightly more convenient, at the cost of Ubisoft's business."
This "case" is going to be laughed out of court.
It has nothing to do with switching CD's. I'll gladly play a game that needs the CD to start up, like Oblivion. What I don't want is Starforce on my machine. At all.
Why? Again, it has nothing to do with piracy or switching disks or any of that. Starforce screwed up my machine. I bought "Silent Hunter III", a sub simulation, and installed it on my computer. But I noticed that after a while, the entire computer started acting sluggish in normal activities....even though it's a Dual-core 4200+ with 2 gigs of RAM and it wasn't sluggish before. Rebooting seemed to make it worse, yet I couldn't see any activity or stolen CPU cycles or any of that. And I run a very clean system.
Anyway, it was acting sluggish. But that wasn't even the half of it, when I went to make a CD this past Christmas to take to my in-laws of Christmas music (mainly of Tiny Tim singing carols....drives my mother-in-law crazy...but that's another story). I found nothing would burn on my burner. Then my son told me that he couldn't play his older game he liked anymore because it would launch, then just shut down. It was an older game from a few years ago, and it was working fine just a week earlier.
To make a long story longer...I finally tracked down that all of this started happening AFTER I installed "Silent Hunter III" on my computer. I did some research online and found out all about Starforce and it's drivers. I found the Starforce removal tool and WHAM, like magic, everything started working again. But I hear that I was lucky because some people's CD drives are sometimes permanently screwed, though I don't know how.
THAT is why I'm all for this lawsuit. I don't care about any money, just want Starforce to go away.
Warning: Use of this product may cause death!! (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Dude..... (Score:3, Insightful)
Now, a crack is a patch. And a patch is basically the errata section that may be applied to any book that doesn't contain what it should (you can find errata pages for scientific textbooks now and then).
Now, by your logic, it'd be illegal to insert errata pages into legally bought books if those pages were produced by a third party. In actuality, it's completely legal.
Applying a crack to a legally purchased game is not illegal. You've certainly not stolen anything (having already paid). You've also not violated copyright (as you've paid for the privilege of owning a copy).
You are not supporting pirates by using a crack. They gain nothing from it. So where's the support? And again, using a crack is not illegal.
If software doesn't do what I want, I'll fix it. Either that, or I'll send it back to the manufacturer, and specify why I was unhappy with their product. If they refuse to accept it back on the grounds that a box has been opened (in violation of all normal consumer rights), I'll damn well do what needs be done to ensure it fits my needs.
You have a really odd view of what constitutes theft and copyright violation. I'd really love to know where you get your ideas. They certainly don't have much to do with what the legal system sees them as. I'd hazard a guess you've been reading a lot of the 'educational pamphlets' written by the anti-piracy offices.
But, to give you the benefit of the doubt, I'd like to see your rationale of why you consider using a crack to be copyright violation, or theft. And please make the argument such that it would stand up to scrutiny, rather than just say "Because it is", which is what you've been doing.
Re:Damage to optical drives? (Score:4, Insightful)
No, the deal was that you flew out to Moscow at your own expense to demonstrate it. And then they decide whether to award you the prize based on their rules. Also note that the vast majority of people aren't complaining that it physically damages their CD drives. They are complaining about system instability, poor performance and the gaping fucking security hole that Starforce opens on your PC*.
I'm sure that you totally misrepresented the "competition" rules by accident. Everyone knows Starforce are above planting paid shills on forums.
* The Starforce driver can elevate user processes to Ring 0**.
** That's what we call a rootkit.
Re:All I know is this: (Score:2, Insightful)
For one, most of the time EULAs are not legal contracts, and even if they met the legal 'requirements' you cannot have a contract for something that is illegal.
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Lawsuits vs. Accidental or Intentional wrongdoing (Score:2, Insightful)
The only time a lawsuit is stupid is when someone sues over something that is, at worst, an accident. Malpractice, McDonald's hot coffee, etc.
Re:Dude..... (Score:1, Insightful)
Console users don't have a choice. They do what the games require of them. Computer users DO have the choice of playing the CD shuffle or getting the crack. Many of us do the latter.
Well, let's see, you're getting an illegally modified copy of the game without compensating the owner. I'd call that theft. But, if you'd rather, you can always call it "copyright violation". I find that to be a little too unweildy, and would rather use the simpler term: stealing.
You're either a troll or a Starforce operative. Which is it?
f you've bought the game, you already have a way to use it legitimately. Refusing to use that way and supporting pirates by using the cracked version of the game is still illegal.
How is it supporting pirates to download a free crack? What law does it violate to do so?
Re:Anecdotal Evidence (Score:3, Insightful)