ICANN Meeting Puts Off XXX Domain Again 157
An anonymous reader wrote to mention an International Herald story about a recent ICANN meeting on the proposed .XXX domain. Australia, the U.S., and the EU have moved to block the idea, with most commentators surmising this will prevent the concept from ever moving forward. From the article: "Some people maintain that a triple-x domain name, and the ability to enforce rules to qualify for it, would rein in an out-of-control Internet phenomenon. In registering, a company could have to abide by ratings agency standards, require proof of age for entrants, maybe even pay for Internet filtering research. The company pushing the idea, ICM Registry, also argues that dot-xxx would be good for customers of pornography sites, assuring them of certain business benchmarks, like being free of adware or computer viruses."
free of adware or viruses? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:free of adware or viruses? (Score:1)
Theyre not, it's just a nicer package if they try to sell that. When everybody's finally approved of the
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Maybe, just maybe (Score:5, Insightful)
If the TLD isn't
People trust
So maybe, just maybe, these guys will be vigilant about kicking out the registrations of people with
That "guaranteed free of malware" would involve a lot of vigilance on their part, and in return the
Re:Maybe, just maybe (Score:2)
Considering they were the driving force behind secure online CC transactions and secure account information practices, sure.
Re:Maybe, just maybe (Score:2)
Now, I'm not some kind of porn fiend, but I dislike your implication that people who sell porn are more likely to do something unethical to your credit card. I don't see any reason to be prejudiced against "porn purveyors". Because you might personally find their business in bad taste does not make the people in the business immoral or unethical.
Besides, there are plenty of brick-and-mortar stores that sell porn. That's where th
Re:Maybe, just maybe (Score:2)
Now, I'm not some kind of porn fiend, but I dislike your implication that people who sell porn are more likely to do something unethical to your credit card.
Well I am one, and due to the consolidation of payment processors, Porn is safer than technogadgets - you generally deal with 2 or 3 companies total for whichever sites you go to, and they have pretty decent online tools, so it's not like you'll get burned, whereas every joe blow computer shop does their own payments and the goods are easier to screw
Re:Maybe, just maybe (Score:2)
Given that I'm not liable for the cost of fraudulent transactions made against my card, and further given that I have no reason to believe that any given "porn purveyor" is any less trustworthy than any other business, yes of course I would.
The real story here (Score:2)
In other words we have poeple in "charge" of the root zone that cannot actually do the job. The EU and Australia are old cronies of ICANN, part of the "deal with the devil" made upon ICANN's creation. You'll notice a year ago when ICANN approved and submitted the TLD for inclusion to its overseer the EU
don't see the downside.. (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:don't see the downside.. (Score:2)
Re:don't see the downside.. (Score:2)
Re:don't see the downside.. (Score:2)
Re:don't see the downside.. (Score:2)
Re:don't see the downside.. (Score:2)
Well, if they're already going to force them at gunpoint into the .xxx ghetto, it's no great leap to also force them to configure the default Apache virtual server (where the 69.69.69.69 points) to serve a non-porn error page or even no page at all, with "www.fuxalot.xxx" served from a domain name based virtual server on
Re:don't see the downside.. (Score:2)
OK, the kid feels clever. He types in 69.69.69.69 in the address bar. Well, hmmm, the browser thinks. That there is an ip address. Let me just do a reverse lookup on that... (dig -x for broswsers kicks
in), the browser gets back the domain matching 69...69 and
Re:don't see the downside.. (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2, Informative)
Re:don't see the downside.. (Score:2)
I surf to Sublime Directory's Big Board [sublimedirectory.com], and using Firefox, have no problems... As much "free" porn as your plate can hold...
the real reason.. (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:the real reason.. (Score:2)
That might not be true because unless they make it madatory that all adult websites shift to xxx domain, none would shift. They have well established presence in the com world, and the capturing of xxx would be just another domain buying where xxx page would eventually redirect to the .com site.
If they did make it a rule to send adult business to .xxx, it
Re:the real reason.. (Score:2)
They think pornography is evil and needs to be outlawed entirely. They think allowing an xxx top level domain would be condoning pornography and it would thus impede their plans for a total ban.
why? (Score:1)
I would like to find a link to the responses by the countries blocking it if anybody has those in more detail.
Re:why? (Score:2)
Unfortunately, this is one of those things that requires maturity, something porn-hating people don't have.
Re:why? (Score:2)
Unfortunately, this is one of those things that requires maturity, something porn-hating people don't have.
s/hating/fearing/;
I've found plenty of people who are anti-porn that are rational about it. It's the one's who are afraid of it that are not rational in their arguments.
-nB
Re:why? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:why? (Score:2)
Oh puh-leeze. You sound just like the left-wing extremists in my country, who are scared at anything that MIGHT POSSIBLY ONE DAY be used in conjunction with the REMOTE POSSIBILITY of an ADDITIONAL LAW to MAYBE (if we roll 3d20) sell the whole country (I'm talking about allowing private investment in energy generation). Those people and their doomsaying are what keeps my country (Mexico) in the stone age.
Re:why? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:why? (Score:2)
Clearly, Obscenity is a statue of a naked women giving birth [nme.com].
Re:why? (Score:2)
Personally I don't think that a .xxx domain will be especially useful or beneficial, unless its part of a radical move such as opening up all possible TLD's. I also think it could quite possibly lead to undesirable things such as governments trying to implement legislation around its existance.
That said, what bothers me about this has nothing to do with the fact that it's being blocked -- it's the way that it's being blocked. There's a clear process available to be followed for deciding this, but several
Re:why? (Score:1)
commerce site
network site
organization site
government site
educational site
or
bizness site
that would be giving the porn industry TOO MUCH CREDIT.
Re:why? (Score:2)
Each country would be responsible having their own 2 letter code so if the US wants .gov.us, .edu.us, or whatever, they police it themselves.
Re:why? (Score:2, Informative)
untrashed, contemplated and cogitated for some while.
There is a relevant RFC with very cogent arguments as to why it is a bad idea.
http://www.rfc-archive.org/getrfc.php?rfc=3675 [rfc-archive.org]
Re:why? (Score:1)
I dont know where i stand on the issue myself, but sure thin the conservatives would be for it.
Re:why? (Score:1, Insightful)
Re:why? (Score:2)
Keep it simple stupid (Score:2)
The invisible foot of Government (Score:5, Insightful)
The fact is, laws passed for the "common good" invariably end up harming those they were notionally intended to help and in fact end up greatly benefiting a very small group of people.
In this case, the average punter will see his prices rise, to pay for all the regulation the porn sites would bear, the number and variety of porn sites would decrease because of their extra costs and ICM Registry would do very well out of it *indeed*.
Government's foothold in our cyber private lives (Score:2)
Well indeed...
One obvious consequence of making .xxx well-regulated is that there will need to be a place for people to have non-well-regulated stuff. People who want sex and don't want to pay for it will want adware, so if you regulate against it, then you need a .ADS+XXX tld to say "yes, I want xxx but I'll tolerate ads to get them".
What problem is being solved by regulating this new domain
Tagging (Score:2, Funny)
Pithy (Score:1, Troll)
Oh good grief... (Score:2, Interesting)
Since when does porn have to be regulated like the tobacco industry? It's not like these sites are ruining lives by giving people cancer.
And what's to stop me from making amazingsexvideos.COM and not paying fo the fees? I doubt that not having a .xxx TLD will decrease the amount of traffic I see...
Re:Oh good grief... (Score:2)
The issue isn't that pornography will ruin the lives of those people that look at it; it's that the Internet allows minors to access porn very easily.
I think this is actually a good idea, but determining rules for what should belong i
Re:Oh good grief... (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Oh good grief... (Score:2)
This is. [whois.sc] Apart from that, nothing. More importantly, there's nothing stopping you from making amazingkiddiesexvideos.com. It's an opt-in business standards label, but they're trying to market it as a measure against child porn, for the sake of the save-the-puppies angle in the news.
This has nothing to do with morality or filtering technology or anything. "Some people" means ICM Registry, who aside from pushing the idea itself, plan to be the ones in charg
Re:Oh good grief... (Score:2)
Okay, so it's not ruining lives by giving people cancer, but it does ruin some marraiges, relationships, etc... Quite frankly, it's also addictive. Try going without porn for a month and you'll know what I mean. I've heard it once called the crack/cocain for the soul.
So what's the big deal? I don't know, but sex seems to keep a marriage together. Porn takes away from that. Instead of wanting your spouce, one has an escape. Variety is
Re:Oh good grief... (Score:2)
All generalizations are false.
Re:Oh good grief... (Score:2)
.xxx delayed is xxx denied... (Score:1, Redundant)
Re:.xxx delayed is xxx denied... (Score:1)
Turn off Google's image filter and search for seemingly benign things...
"Safe for Work" [google.com][Ironically, not at all safe for work...]
Why are we following? (Score:2, Interesting)
Honestly, NO ONE seems to think this is a good idea. Governments don't want it because they think it'll somehow legitimize it. The XXX industry doesn't want it because they think they'll get pushed off into some dark corner of the web and shunned easily by ISPs. HOW and WHY does this issue keep coming up--none of the tru
Re:Why are we following? (Score:1)
Re:Why are we following? (Score:1)
Why is it that slashdot is so obsessed with this issue (I'd track down the links, but I see a post on this topic at least every 2 weeks so its not like you have to look far to find them).
Why is CNN so obsessed with George W. Bush? I'd track down the links, but I see a story on this topic at least every 2 days so it's not like you have to look far to find them.
Re:Why are we following? (Score:2)
No one but us, unfortunately. As a programmer, I've tried to do some improvised web filters, and it's a ROYAL PAIN IN THE BACK. Blocking
Re:Why are we following? (Score:2)
As a programmer, I've tried to do some improvised web filters, and it's a ROYAL PAIN IN THE BACK. Blocking .xxx sites would be a walk in the park compared with all that content-based filtering madness.
What makes you think all porn will be in .xxx? Some people get offended by any naked breasts, so you'll have to possibly block anything about breast cancer or nude beaches, and there's also the matter of erotic literature - is it porn because it describes sex? Porn isn't cut and dried at all.
Re:Why are we following? (Score:2)
Usually the most perverted and twisted porn sites are the ones making most money. I doubt sites with pictures of naked breasts will make any money compared to the more "modern" ones.
old .com names? (Score:5, Funny)
What they should do: (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:What they should do: (Score:1)
Re:What they should do: (Score:3, Insightful)
No these scam artists won't have to force people into
Re:What they should do: (Score:2)
The ones who think the
Because .xxx is not a good idea (Score:3, Insightful)
It's a bad idea.
If you want to rate pages, there are already standard mechanisms [icra.org] for plugging content metadata into pages. Just for a start, this is a technically-superior system -- there is absolutely no reason to need to purchase an entirely separate TLD just because you have a few pages that contain adult content. The domain name registrars would have loved this -- heck, they'd love people to have to buy a new TLD for *every
wont really solve anything (Score:5, Insightful)
a better solution is to create a domain that only has child-friendly material on it. Like creating a town with NO guns allowed.
Parents could choose to only allow their kids to visit this domain and be assured they wont stumble across pictures that they might not want them to see.
I don't think I would have my children live in censorland, but at least the parents afraid of letting their children see the real world would have a place to hide it from them.
Re:wont really solve anything (Score:2)
Re:wont really solve anything (Score:1)
Or, organizations could be created that "certify" sites to different ratings. Get the W3C or somebody on board to create a standard way for people to identify what the rating of a site is. Then, parents (or whoever) can lock the settings on their computers to only allow certain sites.
Things like this already exist in some forms. The ESRB has a ratings service for online game sites. There are organizations and companies that provide services for parents to block porn, and many porn sites voluntarily tel
Re:wont really solve anything (Score:1)
Re:wont really solve anything (Score:1)
.kids AND .xxx might make sense ... (Score:2)
.kids = gauranteed to be kid-friendly (whatever THAT means)
.xxx = gauranteed to be porn-friendly (whatever THAT means)
.com = no garauntees
The only problem is figuring out who backs the garauntees but I suppose that's why you have registration fees
Re:wont really solve anything (Score:2)
Sure it would: an entire tld would be unambiguously associated with pornography, which benefits several groups. People who publish pornography want the marketing and public relations benefits and people who want to block pornography can block the entire tld without having any false positives. The existence of a number of guaranteed-to-be-porn sites will make it easier for writers of censorware to train their filters. Even those who think that pornographers should
From the mouths of babes (Score:4, Insightful)
Of course, that's not quite how I put it to her. I said some people wanted a place on the Web where only adults could go.
"And a place where only kids could go, like pbskids.org?" she asked, leaping to a conclusion I hadn't considered. "That's a great idea."
My question is why are there so many people who refuse to consider the much more logical course of creating ".safe" domains? It just makes much more sense then trying to force or coerce objectionable material into a single domain and would be much more effective for those who want to censor.
Re:From the mouths of babes (Score:1)
Re:From the mouths of babes (Score:2)
Yeah, but what's considered
No, all I'm saying is let the people who want censorship censor themselves.
Re:From the mouths of babes (Score:3, Insightful)
Because a ".safe" domain is about controlling one's own behavior. A ".xxx" domain is about controlling other people's behavior.
And some people simply can't live with not being able to control other people's behavior.
Re:From the mouths of babes (Score:2)
Sorry, I don't get that. Who are you saying is trying to control whom?
Re:From the mouths of babes (Score:2)
Sorry, I don't get that. Who are you saying is trying to control whom?
With a
Re:From the mouths of babes (Score:2)
Because a ".safe" domain is about controlling one's own behavior. A ".xxx" domain is about controlling other people's behavior.
And some people simply can't live with not being able to control other people's behavior.
Finally, someone who gets it! Every time this issue comes up I see so many people giving a whole boat load of bullshit reasons why a
Certain business benchmarks, like being free of... (Score:2)
Other TLD's (Score:2)
If only.... (Score:1)
If only...
Re: (Score:2)
Re:.XXX proves a major point about the Right (Score:2)
I am for the regulation of pornography because I don't want kids to be able to access it.
Okay, but first you have to get everyone to agree on what porn is. That'll only take 10 years and spark a few isolated armed conflicts.
Is requiring age verification really a good idea? (Score:1)
Further more, it is one thing to have age restrictions for models on these sites, but is it really apropriate to tell people they must b
Re: Why not change the port instead? (Score:1)
Everyone, repeat after me! (Score:3, Informative)
NRA and ICANN? (Score:1)
Mandatory? (Score:1)
.xxx will never happen (Score:2)
Re:.xxx will never happen (Score:2)
Obligatory... (Score:2)
Australia, US and who? (Score:2)
Now I RTFA and I didn't see that phrase. Our local press put on a wry grin and said [nzherald.co.nz]
The point is, in spite of all the protestations earlier about who controls ICANN, here it is in headlines, ICANN is controlled by governments, bureaucrats, born-again Southern C
Re:damnit (Score:1)
Re:Americans are all sick degenerate perverts. (Score:3, Insightful)
Links to all this research, please?
"Americans are all sick degenerate perverts."
Also, making a generalization about roughly 300 million people is not very nice. It's like saying that all Chinese (or Indian) people wear funny shoes. There are people in every group that wear funny shoes, just as there are "sick degenerate perverts" everywhere, but that doesn't make everyone one of them.
Re:Americans are all sick degenerate perverts. (Score:1)
Re:Americans are all sick degenerate perverts. (Score:2)
Removing the porn won't solve the problem, just give him one less outlet... and as a woman, I would prefer if all the creeps stayed inside with their kinky porn collections (internet or otherwise) and left me alone.
Anonymous are all sick degenerate cowards. (Score:2)
The reason the "porn industry" is being so successful is precisely because the prevailing culture represses overt expression of sexuality. So it must go covert, and like all repres
Re:Anonymous are all sick degenerate cowards. (Score:2)
I see you're still an aptly-named anonymous coward tho. Must suck to have to keep checking back to see if anyone paid any attention. Stand up for what you believe in. You know, the whole "I may not agree with what you say" [classroomtools.com] thing.
A proper discussion of pornography [slais.ubc.ca] is outside the scope of my time, but to use the best definition I can come up with:
"the sexually explicit depiction of persons, in words or images, created with the primary, proximate aim,
Re:Americans are all sick degenerate perverts. (Score:2, Informative)
And NO, there WON'T EVER be pictures of CowboyNeal naked. Period.
Don't even think about it.
Re:Great Idea (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Great Idea (Score:2)
The creation of a
If we tried to force all pornographic sites to move to
However, internet porn
Re:Great Idea (Score:2)
Which is the problem, who decides what is pornographic? I mean what porno grafic to a Relgious nut, probably isn't to me. At some point they will overlap, naturally.
There are people that get upset because a statue has a penis, or a breast.
Re:Great Idea (Score:2, Interesting)