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The .XXX Saga Continues in Wellington 302

netrover writes "CircleID is reporting on the latest developments on the .XXX top-level domain as the related ICANN meeting is currently underway in Welligton, New Zealand. From the article: 'The .XXX TLD was widely expected to receive its final approval at the ICANN's last meeting held in Vancouver about 4 months earlier but the discussion was unexpectedly delayed as the organization and governments requested more time to review the merits of setting up such a domain.' But as it has been reported, it appears the discussions at ICANN Wellington are in limbo once again."
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The .XXX Saga Continues in Wellington

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 26, 2006 @09:51PM (#15000140)

    You can't get into them unless you pay anyway.

    There is plenty, plenty of freely available pornography on the Internet. Enough to last the addict his whole life and result in chronic pain from over-masturbation. The first place pornography spread on the Internet, the alt.binaries.* hierarchy on Usenet, has always been free. Unless you just discovered the Internet yesterday, I fail to understand how you don't already know this.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 26, 2006 @10:00PM (#15000174)
    Get the facts [ietf.org]
  • by MBCook ( 132727 ) <foobarsoft@foobarsoft.com> on Sunday March 26, 2006 @10:32PM (#15000270) Homepage
    I suppose it would make it easier to find them. And maybe some site operator would prefer "hotteens.xxx" instead of "hotteens.com". As you point out, you'll never get the porn completely out of .com.

    But what it really means is one thing: money. You run the big "joebob.com" porn site? (made that up, no idea what it is). Well now you have two choices. You can either buy "joebob.xxx" (how much? Lets say a few hundred bucks) or you can not buy it. If you DON'T buy it then your competitor ("pornking.net" or whatever) can buy "joebob.xxx" and make it point to HIS site. That way if someone tries to go to "joebob.xxx" mistakenly, you lose the business and he gets it.

    Now multiply that (and yeah, it is practically extortion) by the thousands of large porn sites that would have to buy that new domain (and renew it every year, it's extortion on an installment plan!). Add in a few of the hundreds of thousands (or millions) of smaller sites who may or may not pay.

    What's that add up to? Money. LOTS of money.

    Things would have been better if someone had tried to force the categories in the start (personal sites go into .people, commercial into .com, ISPs and phone companies into .net, non-profits into .org, porn into .xxx), despite all the problems that would have ensued. But we're not there. The top level domain a web site is basically meaningless.

    This is another chance to sell "sex.whatever", "porn.whatever", "hotteens.whatever", etc again with the fun (and lucrative) bidding wars that will happen over those names.

    There may be other benefits (block all of .xxx for your company and your chances of blocking something important are basically 0.0, would make porn slightly easier to find), but it all comes down to the money.

  • by Nicholas Evans ( 731773 ) <OwlManAtt@gmail.com> on Sunday March 26, 2006 @11:04PM (#15000365) Homepage
    And I have a shocking revelation for you. Most people agree with him.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 26, 2006 @11:05PM (#15000369)
    It doesn't matter whether XXX or whatever, use Tomahawk Desktop [tomahawkcomputers.com] to see the website you want. If you use Tomahawk Desktop, there is only one way your ISP can block your access, block the IP address only.

    There are only two ways your ISP can block your access. 1) by the domain name 2) by IP address.

    In first method is what ISPs normally use. That is, when you request DNS resolution for particular domain name, they don't give you the IP address for the domain name. So you cannot access it.

    Second method is too expensive to implement by ISPs, ie, check all packets pass thru the ISP for known IP addresses of sites they want to block.

    Tomahawk Desktop is probably the first desktop Operating System comes with its own DNS server. Therefore, Tomahawk Desktop, does not use your ISP's DNS server. It does its own DNS resolution. Its too expensive to block the Tomahawk Desktop :)
  • by rs79 ( 71822 ) <hostmaster@open-rsc.org> on Sunday March 26, 2006 @11:32PM (#15000447) Homepage
    "Last time I checked, domain names were treated like property."

    You didn't really check then did you because this is false.

    " Suppose I own hotsweatymonkeysex.com (which I don't, unfortunately). Could they force me to give up my domain name without compensation (other than a free .XXX domain)?"

    No. .XXX is supposed to siphon off porn traffic out of the other tlds in the same way alt.sex took porn out of other usenet groups. It worked for the most part.

    "Given the logistics of it, I could only see this working on a voluntary basis, which is to say that it wouldn't."

    It IS voluntary. If people get used to .xxx names they'll get used to them and stuff will have a greater incentive to move out of .com.
  • by utlemming ( 654269 ) on Monday March 27, 2006 @12:21AM (#15000568) Homepage
    Here's how you could do it:

    1.) Have a period of time where current domain owners can lay claim to the the SLD in the .XXX TLD. Those with valid and registered trademarks are given first shot. Then the site that has the oldest name, for example ABCD.com would have first crack at getting .XXX as long as its principle business is in pornography. If that site refuses to accept the .XXX domain, then other SLD's in in another TLD can get the .XXX name. After all the porn vendors have had their crack, then the other companies, who are not pornography businesses get the chance to register their domain names in the .XXX TLD.
    2.) After the period of time to work out existing domain name owners and trademark owners, then other people will be opened up to the .XXX domain name.
    3.) Require all new domain owners agree that sexual content that fits the definition of pornography to register a .XXX domain name. Registering a new domain in any non-XXX TLD and then putting up pornographic content would be a violation and your site could be pulled down.
    4.) Existing non-XXX TLD's that host pornographic content before the changes can continue to operate, however if they have the .XXX equivalent then they will be required to redirect people to the .XXX domain.
    5.) Existing non-XXX TLD's that host pornographic content will be required, as a term of renewal to purchase a .XXX SLD and have the content served from that domain name. Their 'brand' can stay the same, such as SEX.COM as a front page without pornographic content on the front page. The current TLD is to be used as a 'doormat'. All media content, including pictures must be linked from the .XXX TLD.

    The main advantage to this is that filters could universally block the .XXX TLD. Then, since site will be allowed to have a .com/.org/.whatever TLD welcome mat it can be blocked. In the event that some filter doesn't capture the doormat, the pictures, movies, images, etc, will be blocked because they are hosted on the .XXX domain name. The system provides a clearing house to make sure that cybersquating won't happen (you won't have the arguments over sex.com or some punk trying to get playboy.xxx).

    The people that seem to be fighting the .XXX are those who don't understand the internet and those that are against any form of censorship even if it to protect children. Having a 'redlight district' on the internet would make it very easy for companies, homes and schools to block a good majority of pornography. Sure you would have some sex search engine that would index the entirety of .XXX, but the people that are going to look for it are going to find it. Browsers could have a simple filter built in to not attempt to resolve any host in .XXX. Company's could put in their own zone file for .XXX that redirects all sites to their AUP.

    People are approaching this problem from the idea this is a free speech issue, when it's not always. There are economic considerations. Companies can people routelinely for looking at pornography. It cost companies lost productivity and bandwidth. Not to mention the crap that gets bundled with porn because someone is so engroused in the porn that he installs whatever program wants to install itself. Universities and schools deal with the loss of bandwidth. Economically, there are reasons to move it to a seperate section of the internet. Just because the moral-right seems to be the ones yelling for it, doesn't mean that there isn't an economic insentive. If you can keep a good employee that does good work from looking at porn and thereby he doesn't get fired, then it is worth it to a company. But if that same employee is looking at porn and wasting company resources and he has to get canned, then it cost compa
  • by Animats ( 122034 ) on Monday March 27, 2006 @02:39AM (#15000980) Homepage
    The previous posting is an exact copy of this posting by me [slashdot.org] from December 1, 2005.

    The copier may be trying to raise his karma. See his posting history. [slashdot.org]

  • Re:No more new TLDs! (Score:2, Informative)

    by lazybeam ( 162300 ) on Monday March 27, 2006 @02:51AM (#15001011) Homepage
    http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q =melbourne+site:.aero&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=u tf-8 [google.com]:
    Results 1 - 50 of about 454 English pages for melbourne site:.aero. (0.47 seconds)

    There does seem to be a few companies using .aero:
    Results 1 - 50 of about 289,000 English pages for site:.aero. (0.25 seconds)

    Very few .pros:
    Results 1 - 50 of about 52,100 English pages for site:.pro. (0.36 seconds)

    Of course:
    Results 1 - 50 of about 7,520,000,000 English pages for site:.com. (0.35 seconds)

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