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Carl Bialik from WSJ writes "Palm ramped up its marketing campaign for its Treo smartphone while rival Research in Motion was embroiled in a patent fight, the Wall Street Journal reports. 'The result: at least 1,500 new inquiries about the Treo in the past few months from corporate customers, resulting in 600 free trials, Palm says. In total, Palm says it has more than doubled its number of sales leads since October. "The doors have been opening," says Ed Colligan, Palm's chief executive. At a November staff meeting, Mr. Colligan says he told his staff to "step things up. We have to go back and knock on doors and respond as fast as we can." ... Internally, Palm executives say they believe that the Treo will outsell BlackBerrys by the end of this year.'"
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How Palm's Treo Got Boost From BlackBerry Lawsuit

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  • Admittedly I've yet to own one of these --- does push email exist on the Treo? That seems to be the only thing keeping BlackBerry afloat.
    • by DJPenguin (17736) on Thursday March 23, 2006 @12:54PM (#14981204)
      www.chatteremail.com - push email works really well with my home machine running Dovocot IMAP server.
    • Yes it does, have a look at chattermail [chatteremail.com] as an example. Do a google search on "treo 650 push mail" for more alternatives.
      • As they already said, Chatter rocks (especially if you already have push email with a great company like Fastmail). Marc Blanc, the developer, is amazingly productive and open to feedback. Looking at email for the Treo, whether you want push or not, Chatter is farrr better than everything else out there, imho. Just try it. He offers a full-featured 30-day trial still.
      • I used Chattermail back when I had my Treo, and yes, it is a fantastic email program. It's not exactly push, but it's more or less the same end result - it keeps an IMAP connection open using the IMAP IDLE command, so it's notified as soon as mail comes in (no delay caused by periodic fetching). The only problem, and it's a problem common to all pseudo-push solutions, is that it kills the battery life by keeping the network connected at all times. BlackBerry, and other true push solutions, don't keep a n
    • I don't think that Treos come from Palm with this capability, but there is 3rd-party software that allows you to push email to the Treo. I'm not sure if there's an Exchange plug-in or whatnot, but I've seen several different applications that allow IMAP mail to be pushed.
      • This was the answer I was looking for: thank you.

        Given that all the BlackBerry buzz I hear about from business-types revolves around instant email, I'm not sure how Treo can compete without an on-device provider-supported solution.
        • This was the answer I was looking for: thank you. Given that all the BlackBerry buzz I hear about from business-types revolves around instant email, I'm not sure how Treo can compete without an on-device provider-supported solution.

          A number of corporate IT departments (including mine) like to use Goodlink on the 650 - which, as well as push email, also implements wireless synchronization with calendar and contacts etc. Add Documents to Go and you can open native MS Office and pdf attachments.
    • by Anonymous Coward
      At least one email client, ChatterEmail ( http://www.chatteremail.com/ [chatteremail.com] - I am a satisfied user but otherwise have no connection) supports IMAP IDLE, which behaves about the same as blackberry-style push. Basically your Treo connects to the IMAP server and says "IDLE" which means "when anything changes, tell me about it." So new messages arriving triggers a message from the IMAP server to the client. From a user perspective, this is the same as push email -- it makes no difference to me whether the server or
      • Mod coward up!

        While this is true (re: standards-based), keeping a cellular data connection open constantly appears to be...less than ideal.

        GoodLink, otoh, looks much more interesting.
        • by Anonymous Coward
          keeping a cellular data connection open constantly appears to be...less than ideal.

          I guess... although the Chatter developer claims you transfer approximately the same amount of data no matter whether you use timed syncs or IDLE push. I believe that -- either you have the connection initiation data every time you wake up and sync, or you have smaller "hi, still idling" messages at similar intervals. Obviously he does not have a server-initiated-push mode in his application to compare against. But my guess
    • What about lack of official support by T-mobile? Seems like a pretty gigantinormous stumbling block to me.

      If I can get a Blackberry for $100 with a new plan, or a Treo for $300 that's plan independant, and I only use it for e-mail, which do you think I'm going to get?
      • T-Mobile used to carry the Treo 600, I think they switched to just Blackberries so as not to confuse their customers. I use T-Mobile quite happily, but T-Mobile's selection of phones is... lackluster. Just because T-Mobile doesn't carry a phone, it doesn't mean it's a ginormous stumbling block for the company. For example, T-Mobile (in the U.S., anyway) doesn't offer Sony Ericsson phones anymore, either.

        Also, since T-Mobile is a GSM company, you can use pretty much any GSM phone you want, just make sure
    • by Lumpy (12016)
      no.

      the biggest problem is that the treo suffers from bad design. The battery when low will cause buzzing in the phone audio and the damned things lock up and die on a regular basis.

      I have yet to have a blackberry lock up to the point of useless like the 4 treo's i have had all have done.

      if you like to have a reliable phone. do NOT get a treo.
      • I have a Treo 650 and I have no clue what you're talking about. Bad for my battery, I almost always use it until it dies. Lots of people use hacks on Palm devices and then complain when it crashes, most likely that's what you're talking about.

        My biggest problem with it is that the speakers aren't loud enough but I use volumecare to get around that. I also like MP3 ringtones and I use Ringo for that. Between the two, I'm sure that's where I get the random crash a week, but it's never been while using th

    • I don't know if you'd call it push email, but I have my gmail account coming to my treo. I also have an Exchange account coming to it, both via Versamail, the included mail client for the Treo.
    • There's lots of reasons people are switching from Palm -> Blackberry besides push e-mail. Lets be realistic, if polling every 5 minutes isn't good enough or frequent enough for you, you should probably just sit at your desk all day.

      The interface is much smarter than the palm. The wheel is key. It's one-handed, very acurate operation. The stylus (which previous posting on Slashdot said may be removed) is inacurate and the touch screen requires two hands. Awful when driving.

      The applications are just p
  • Personally I love the Treo 650, but I'm a techie. While I believe the quality & functionality of the Treo far outweighs that of the blackberry I can see why the blackberry sales are better in comparison. Most execs I've met wouldn't know how to turn on a Treo let alone get their e-mail on it, the iPod is another good example of ease of use winning through.

    Having said that, perhaps the 700w (and subsequent Windows versions) will help with the learning curve for execs.
    • by capecodcarl (955749) on Thursday March 23, 2006 @01:06PM (#14981295)
      Having said that, perhaps the 700w (and subsequent Windows versions) will help with the learning curve for execs.

      The synergy between the Windows OS and the Treo platform certainly creates an exciting new paradigm shift in the handheld market. Executives will see this as a new way to integrate wireless devices into their business processes in a way that will empower their knowledge workers while providing a solid return on investment for the company's strategic initiatives.

      /BINGO!

    • "Having said that, perhaps the 700w (and subsequent Windows versions) will help with the learning curve for execs."

      If ease of use is the issue, I don't see how the Windows versions will help anything. Compared to the 650 interface, Windows Mobile is a mess. Truly, the biggest problem with the 650 is stability. Windows Mobile addresses that, but ease of use? I don't think so.

    • This is funny, because around here, the only people that carry Treos are the Sales guys who are the lest technical people in the whole company.

      And why would you want to type on that tiny little keyboard? And run Windows on your mobile phone? I cant really think of a less desirable thing to carry with me.

      Treo for the bling factor, Blackberry if you need to actually get some work done.
  • I wonder (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Eightyford (893696) on Thursday March 23, 2006 @12:52PM (#14981181) Homepage
    I wonder how many of those sales are for the Smartphone that runs Windows?

    http://reviews.cnet.com/Palm_Treo_700w/4505-6452_7 -31473222.html [cnet.com]
    • I just don't think that the Windows Treo has had enough time to gain that kind of traction. It's appealing but I don't know if people are hyped enough about the Windows Treo for it to be killing anything in the marketplace. I would expect the next iteration to be a real killer!

      • The 700 is doing quite well -- Palm stepped in to a new market with it; it's not really much of a comptetitor to the other Palm OS 5 based Treos. Worse screen, better bluetooth, better camera, faster internet. There were a lot of folks with iPaqs and the like, and a lot of them are moving to the 700w. Rest assured, the traction is quite good for the device.
  • that sucks (Score:5, Informative)

    by BewireNomali (618969) on Thursday March 23, 2006 @12:54PM (#14981196)
    because i've used both, and the blackberry far eclipses the treo as a mobile email device.

    the blackberry is popular because it does mobile email REALLY well. It also excels in one hand operation because of the clickable scroll wheel. It's also intuitive and easy to use - as well as significantly lighter than its bulk would indicate.

    the blackberry isn't an browsing device - it's for voice and text - and it's ideally suited for the workplace.

    I haven't used the windows mobile treos, but the palm treos are heavy with small keyboards. The units don't multitask well - and they CRASH. I've never hada blackberry crash - treos freeze up all the time.

    maybe the windows mobile treos are better - but treos need to go a long way, from form factor onwards, to truly best the blackberry atwhat it does.
    • Re:that sucks (Score:5, Informative)

      by HaydnH (877214) on Thursday March 23, 2006 @01:02PM (#14981262)
      "I haven't used the windows mobile treos, but the palm treos are heavy with small keyboards. The units don't multitask well - and they CRASH. I've never hada blackberry crash - treos freeze up all the time."

      FUD!! Treo's crash due to 3rd party applications (at least with up to date firmware and default applications). If you get a crash on a Treo you can dial #*377 (code is dependent on Treo type) and it will tell you what application crashed it - remove the 3rd party app that's crashing your system and your fine again! The main reason why the palm Treo's are so good is that there are loads of 3rd party apps, however a lot have been written by hobbyists or for previous versions of Palm OS - why do people keep blaming Palm for other peoples errors?

      If I put a cron job on my Linux box doing an init 0 every 5 minutes does this mean Linux is unstable??
      • How about the same reason we can blame Microsoft for breaking legacy apps between upgrades?? Palm's no different.
      • dude, this is a work phone assigned to me at work. I EXPECT to turn it on and for it to work. Isn't that what apple fans always laud about?

        Blackberry - I turned it on and it worked. One hand operation - scroll to a number in contacts, click to call. click to disconnect. scroll to email with dial, click to read. if i need to reply I do, otherwise, I'm on my way. I find it hard pressed for anyone to make it simpler.

      • Re:that sucks (Score:3, Informative)

        by diamondsw (685967)
        Amen to that. My Treo has dozens of applications and even a couple of sketchy hacks, and it is still rock solid. It hasn't crashed once since I disabled TreoGuard (a third party app I was using to shut off the phone at night), and that was over 9 months ago.

        The Treo is the most versatile device I've ever used, wrapped in a great, simple, and above all usable interface. A great phone, great synchronization with my computer (I use Missing Sync on Mac OS X for sync with Address Book, iCal, iTunes, iPhoto, file
        • Re:that sucks (Score:3, Insightful)

          by Dr. Sp0ng (24354)
          I had a Treo 650 for about 6 months. It crashed CONSTANTLY, even with ZERO third-party software on it. PalmOS just does not have the memory protection and multitasking needed for modern applications. Now I have a BlackBerry and nothing could convince me to go back to Palm (actually I've been a Palm user since the dawn of time [ok, 1997] and the Treo debacle made me swear off their products forever). I can't use a device that I can't rely on (crashing when trying to answer an incoming call is simply unac
          • I can read AND edit Word and Excel files on my 650. And there exists Opera for the Palm. (but it kinda blows) Not saying that what you haven't isn't best for you, just providing more info.
            • A quick Google search shows you can do that on the BlackBerry too - DynoPlex [dynoplex.com] claims to be able to do it, although I've never used it.

              And is there really an Opera for Palm? When I had my Treo, the word from Opera was that PalmOS was so lame and ass-backwards that they weren't going to even attempt a port. I hadn't heard anything about it since then (and that really wasn't that long ago).
          • But when the basic (and most important) functions are unreliable, all the features and 3rd-party addons in the world don't matter.

            What's most important is different for different people. Personally, I have no use for a PDA that doesn't run the calculator program that I paid $15 for in 1999 (RPN).
            • Heh. Then get yourself a calculator, or pay another $15 for an RPN calculator progarm on a more stable platform (having a PDA/Smartphone platform that doesn't crash all the time would be worth spending $15 if you ask me...)

              But hell, it's your life. If you can live with an unstable and extremely insecure environment, knock yourself out. Myself, I need to be able to rely on my PDA/phone, and PalmOS just isn't up to the task (just like I wouldn't run XP on, say, the computer running a life support system
              • Physical calculators and the other postfix calculator programs that I've seen don't show the contents of the stack and let you rearrange them like RPN does. If I want an equivilant on another platform, I'm probably going to have to write it.
                • I haven't looked specifically, but I'm sure there are plenty of J2ME RPN calculators (and that's all the BlackBerry is - a J2ME device with a bunch of added APIs. All the standard J2ME APIs are there, though, so you can run any old J2ME application).

                  And in any case, it's not like an RPN calculator is at all complicated - assuming you're a half-decent programmer, you could write one that behaves how you'd like in a weekend.
        • note that my original point was about voice and text. voice and text. i wouldn't personally buy a BB or a treo - these are devices given to me by work. Given a choice - the BB works right out of the box - single hand operation and intuitive at that.

          I don't want to install apps. This is a WORK phone. I want voice and text. It should NEVER crash. It should have a good battery life - be cheap and easy to replace, be lightweight and easy to use.

          Again, voice and text. Treo does not match the BB at voice and text
          • I don't want to install apps. This is a WORK phone. I want voice and text. It should NEVER crash. It should have a good battery life - be cheap and easy to replace, be lightweight and easy to use.

            That doesn't sound like a blackberry then. It sounds like a phone.
      • FUD!! Treo's crash due to 3rd party applications
        That's not good enough. I can't speak directly to Treos, but Palms have really outgrown the toy OS phase. They direly need a real OS with memory protection, and a rich enough API so that system utilities don't have to be written as "hacks."
      • A geek or a good IT person cna make that distinction. However, it's really irrelevant to your average Joe business man or, even worse, average Joe exec. Those of you who don't know that really need a dose of corporate world reality.
      • Systems should not crash due to 3rd party applications.

        If an application crashes, the system should tell me what application crashed and why the system had to kill it.

        If you put a cron job on your Linux box doing an init 0 every 5 minutes you should get a request to login in as root every 5 minutes.
      • Treo's crash due to 3rd party applications (at least with up to date firmware and default applications).

        Nice try. Third party applications (whatever that means; this is a general purpose computer) do exaggerate the problem, but it stems from a number of flawed design decisions.

        - NVFS / DBcache (somewhat fixed in latest firmware)
        - Single threaded operation (supporting "background tasks" with a shared stack)
        - No memory protection
        - Buggy hardware (bluetooth reliability for me is about 85%)

        Believe my

    • by morgan_greywolf (835522) on Thursday March 23, 2006 @01:26PM (#14981438) Homepage Journal
      It also excels in one hand operation because of the clickable scroll wheel.

      For most Slashdotters, this is, of course, the most important feature any Web-enabled mobile device. ;-)

    • I agree. My employer issued me a Blackberry while my personal cellphone was a Treo 650 (The Treo replaced my previous Kyocera smartphone when it died). After a few weeks with the Blackberry, I stopped carrying the Treo entirely.

      As a techno-geek, I was originally excited by the Treo's extensive feature-set, as compared to the Blackberry. But the Treo's short battery life made it die often, no matter that I had chargers at home, office, and car. The PalmOS caused the Treo to crash often. And the Treo is
      • I recently had to decide on whether or not to get a Treo 650. I had read all the complaints but also knew someone that had a Treo 600 (600 no less!) and couldn't say enough good things about it. So I made the plunge.

        I absolutely love my Treo. I use it as my exclusive personal line--I don't have a home phone line. It just works. I can browse the web, use all the Palm apps I'm used to using, use Bluetooth, use it to let my laptop get to the Internet if I do not have Internet connectivity.

        It has reset

      • Final note: the Treo is bad about "staying on a data call" even when no data applications are running (as opposed to my old Kyocera, which was smart enough to hang up when it didn't need data) so Verizon has to sell you a -very- expensive "unlimited minutes" data plan to compensate (or else deal with hordes of very angry customers who get charged monthly for air-time they didn't use).

        Better yet, you could've gotten the more reasonably-priced unlimited data plan from Sprint ($15/month) and used that. I

    • I used a treo 600(with Goodlink for e-mail push) for about a year, and it raised my blood pressure so much I now consider Treo's hazardous to my health. 2 or 3 times A DAY the treo would lock up just as an incoming call rang the phone, so it would be frozen, ringing, and I could do nothing about it but reset. The device seemed to be unable to keep an internet connection - I would get instantaneous e-mail for an hour or two at a stretch, then I would get no e-mail for a while, and out of curiosity I'd do a m
    • Jack Bauer uses one in 24. The best feature it has is that you can program a smart card to blow up when you put it in an enemy intelligence agent's treo. Bones also uses one of these for mapping underground tunnels. Can your blackberry do that? I didn't think so.
    • see, my experience is exactly the opposite. i was brought in as IT Director of a medium-sized company. about a half-dozen of the senior execs had blackberries, but none were really happy with them. i was issued one, asked to evaluate it, and make a recommendation. after a little while using the things, i understood why the Blackberries were so unloved. the proposed replacement (this was coming up on 3 years ago; the Treo 600 wasn't around yet) was a Tungsten M. it went over really, really well. everyone who
    • Listen, if you say a treo sucks, that's FUD. The Treo 650 obviously does not suck -- check out any of the gazillion websites with treo users -- there is a fanatical support base out there -- who feel as strongly about the Treo as you do about your blackberry. You think the Blackberry is better? Cool, talk about how it does X, Y and Z well. To say the Treo crashes all the time is obviously a personal experience.

      I can tell you I love my Treo, and I also had both for a while, but I always had to have my

    • The only time my Treo 600 has crashed when I was using a 3rd party hack. And even then, it wasn't often or very bad. And of course they don't multitask very well, nothing that size does in practice. Just how many applications do you need to be running at the same time on a mobile phone/PDA?
  • I hope it works (Score:4, Interesting)

    by yog (19073) * on Thursday March 23, 2006 @12:56PM (#14981220) Homepage Journal
    I am a Palm user from way back and I am dying for a Treo, but I don't want to buy one and then see Palm go under or sell out or otherwise orphan their products. I want to see lots o' new stuff coming out for Palm platform and I don't want to have to get a Windows-based handheld in a year or two. Go Palm!

    That said, I wish it were happening because of free and fair competition rather than that some predatory patent holder with a team of clever lawyers screwed a great company through bogus patent suits. I hope Rim bounces back, too.

    • by soft_guy (534437)
      The Treo 700 is a Windows CE based device. The 650 will be the last Palm OS based Treo.

      I own a Treo 600 and I really like it, but I too do not want a Windows CE based device, so the 600 will probably be my last Treo.
      • Actually there's a Treo 700P (palm based) which is coming out this year (perhaps may?) check the treocentral forums for more info.
      • There's going to be a 700p running Palm....care to try again??
        • Thanks for letting me know - I had not been keeping up with all the Treo rumor sites.

          I'm pretty surprised about this given that I remember something about Palm Source being sold last. I don't remember the details, but it sure sounded like the Palm OS was dead.

          If they come out with the 700p, I'll probably buy one.
      • The 650 will be the last Palm OS based Treo.

        There's no information ANYWHERE that this is true. Just looking at the sales of the Treo 650, which dominates the smartphone market, it's clear that a PalmOS-based smartphone is where it's at. There have been statements made by people at Palm (with all the mergers, splits and buyouts, who know who said them and if they hold) that the Treo 650 MIGHT be the last GARNET-based Treo, whereas there will be COBALT-based Treos coming up.

    • am a Palm user from way back and I am dying for a Treo, but I don't want to buy one and then see Palm go under or sell out or otherwise orphan their products. I want to see lots o' new stuff coming out for Palm platform and I don't want to have to get a Windows-based handheld in a year or two. Go Palm!

      What bad would happen if you bought a Treo and Palm went under? They don't provide the back end (IE - your phone wont go dead) and they dont produce any add-on items that aren't made (often better) by 3rd pa

  • Maybe. (Score:4, Insightful)

    by LWATCDR (28044) on Thursday March 23, 2006 @12:56PM (#14981225) Homepage Journal
    The reason I didn't get a Treo was the data plan that they wanted to sell me.
    I got a Samsung A900. It supports Sprints new Power Vision high speed network. I can surf to any site including slashdot, I can get my email, set appointments on my calendar. It is also super small and has a great screen. The battery only lasts for one day but I can live with that.
    The current Treos that support high speed all run Windows. I have heard very mixed reviews on them and Verizon charges a lot more for the data plan for the Treo than other phones.
    I will look a the the Treo when they have there new Linux based PalmOS and the Data plan costs the same as my current one. Oh and PUT SOME RAM on the bloody things!
    • The EV-DO network is *supposed* to be a software solution, not in the hardware, so we may see hacks for our 650's soon.
      • I heard that EV-DO required hardware to support it. With FPGAs, DSPs, and "soft radios" what is hardware and isn't is hard to say. I have friends that like their 650s but I can do everything they use their treos for with my much smaller and cheaper cell. I am not saying that some people don't need a Treo but most of the people I see using them really don't use them to their full potential.
        I am not writing them off yet. I have high hopes. But you have to agree Palm should stick more Ram in the thing.
        • More RAM in the onboard would definitely be nice because it can be a pain in the ass to run things from the SD. Treo's success is going to come down to price point. If they can drop their pants on the price for a bit, they're going to be able to build some pretty good market momentum.
    • Re:Maybe. (Score:3, Interesting)

      by Jonboy X (319895)
      Word on the rumor sites is that the 700p (for PalmOS, as opposed to 700w for Windows) should be out around late May/early June. Roughly the same hardware specs as the 700w, including Sprint's EVDO high-speed network.
    • I'm a longtime power user; I have a Treo 650 and got it the first day. I've never used a Blackberry nor have I really wanted one. Push email is over-rated. As many phone calls and SMSs as I get, I really don't need one more distraction. The 650 is great on battery. I can go two days easily with no charge and three if I don't have any conference calls. It's true that memory management sucks on the Treo and when you get low it occasionally reboots, but since I'm a programmer I know that's my fault. If I sim
    • Or get a Treo 700p from Sprint in May. All of the goodness of the Palm OS, all of the new hardware from the 700w. And the simple (and cheap!) pricing plans from Sprint. I have unlimited data use for $15 a month, and fully supported Bluetooth DUN for my laptop. Verizon just enjoys raping your ass repeatedly.
    • The reason I didn't get a Treo was the data plan that they wanted to sell me.

      Bloody US cell networks... Vodafone didn't sell the Treo 600 in a nice, Vodafone branded box when I was looking to buy it, so I simply bought it from a local computer store and inserted my Vodafone SIM card into it. :)

  • TREO 650 (Score:5, Informative)

    by Reflex4468 (927159) on Thursday March 23, 2006 @01:14PM (#14981351)
    I've got a 650. It was my first Palm device, and I can now not live without it. I am a Professional Sound Tech, and now could not live without having internet and email coming to a device in my pocket. There is not an email push(yet), but it is coming. I automatically download my email every hour, which is fine for me. I currently use my treo for a movie player, mp3 player, cell phone, email reciever, computer remote control, and personal organizer. Go buy one.
    • You need ChatterMail and an IMAP server that supports the IDLE command (uw-imap does, for instance, they may all support it now).

      email "push", using open standards, but with a chattermail license
  • I actually have used both a Blackberry and a Treo 650 simultaneously for work (BB for email, Treo for phone features). Recently I installed the Cingular "Xpress" software. It can work with corporate email that does use a redirector but is actually pushing the email to my Treo. Sent items are synched, email read on the Treo are marked as read on my desktop, Calendar is synched, I can search corporate contact lists, etc. Not too bad. I haven't picked up my Blackberry in about a month.
  • by Jack Johnson (836341) on Thursday March 23, 2006 @01:21PM (#14981414)
    I imagine most of the attention came from people like me. Even though my employer would have been "exempt" from a shutdown, I was tasked with investigating alternatives to BB handhelds and BES last fall when the threat against RIM appeared to be real.

    The worrying is over now and we're sticking with BB/BES.

  • Anyone that seriously shops for a mobile email platform comes to only one conclusion. And if they then choose a Treo, which costs much more, weighs much more, and performs comparitively poorly, they deserve what they get.

    I also can't fathom anyone that looked at the patent/lawsuit issues as likely to stop RIM. The Fed is too big of a client, the product is too popular.

    I was an early Handspring Visor adopter, I found much utility in Palm OS, but once I carried a Blackberry for a few months, all that was hist
  • by Anonymous Coward
    There is so much more [flickr.com] you can do with a Treo
  • by moochfish (822730) on Thursday March 23, 2006 @02:21PM (#14981865)
    In the quarter ended in late November, Palm sold 602,000 Treos, nearing the 645,000 new subscriber accounts that RIM signed on in the same period.

    Internally, Palm executives say they believe that the Treo will outsell BlackBerrys by the end of this year.

    Here's what's happened so far:

    1. Company's reliability goes into question
    2. Consumers look for alternatives

    This is what Palm is hoping is #3:

    3. Competitors overtake market

    However, this is what is really happening:

    3. Company's reliability no longer in question
    4. Consumers stop looking for alternatives

    Yeah. Maybe they would have outsold Blackberrys had the lawsuit kept on chugging or RIM lost. Unfortunately for Palm, that did not happen. Whatever edge they had during the lawsuit is now gone. How can you predict continued growth when the market changed in the past month with the conclusion of the lawsuit?
    • How can you predict continued growth when the market changed in the past month with the conclusion of the lawsuit?

      Well, Palm diversified their smartphone market. Before January, they were just selling Palm OS PDAs that were phones. Now, they're also selling Windows Mobile 5 PDAs that are phones as well. So you can buy from Palm regardless of which OS you wanted to run. With the ACCESS Linux platform, I imagine you'll have an additional option in the next year or so. Also, you can't install any appli
  • Having pissed away a pretty penny on my own Treo a few months ago (Verizon), I can say that this device is silly for anyone who has a laptop and doesn't travel 90% of the time.

    Yes, the Treo can do lots of neat thing, but I'm tired of looking like a clumsy retard everytime I need to answer a call.

  • Yes but the users who thought that RIM may disappear were idiots anyway. We'll push them to Palm and AOL and be done with them.

    -M
  • From 4 feet in the air, you'll see why Treo has no hope of catching up.

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