Gnome 2.14 Review 208
An anonymous user writes "Linux.com (a Slashdot sister site) has up a review of Gnome 2.14. The piece touches on usability improvements, as well as the new administration and configuration tools included with this release." From the article: "GNOME 2.14 continues the steady improvement visible in the last few releases. It is an incremental upgrade, consisting largely of tweaks and the filling in of gaps in functionality. If few of these changes are major by themselves, the overall result is welcome. Perhaps the best way of looking at the release is not as an end in itself, but as a milestone on the road to desktop usability in free operation systems. From this perspective, GNOME 2.14 is a sign that much of the journey is already over -- and that the remaining distance is less than many observers think."
Thank you very much for Gnome Terminal improv. (Score:5, Interesting)
Here's to being one step closer to switching from aterm. Not that I don't like aterm. But, ya know. And don't anyone say Konsole damnit.
Still looking and waiting for download (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:GNOME vs KDE (not flamebait!) (Score:5, Interesting)
It goes both ways, though - I spend a lot of time on the Ubuntu forums, and KDE receives more than its fair share of either contempt or shallow dismissal.
I like Gnome's Top-down Approach (Score:5, Interesting)
With KDE, a more bottom-up approach is taken: the integration has been done at the level of the core libraries, QT, as well as the core KDE libraries that build on top of that. Above this level, things build in a sporadic nature that some would argue is more healthy for open source development (such as Linus Torvalds opined a few months back).
All in all, I welcome both Gnome's top-down and KDE's bottom-up approach to integrating the components of a complete desktop environment. Since KDE's integration does come from the bottom, KDE feels more integrated to me on the architectural front, whereas since Gnome's integration comes from the top, it feels more integrated in the look & feel, menus, etc.
Both projects have a lot to learn from each other; therefore, a lot to share. But really, the big experiment is to see which way builds a more successful desktop, or if the different models just result in desktops that serve different needs or different kinds of users.
In the eye of the beholder (Score:2, Interesting)
You are also right, that the new screensaver dialog is not as advanced as the old one, but that's not because anything has been removed, that's simply because it is a whole new screensaver, native to gnome, enabling gnomeprogrammes to interact with it, and making it translatable. I'm sure more features will be added in later versions.
Personally I really look forward to use the innovative Deskbar Applet, which I think the review forgot to tell about.
Yep (Score:3, Interesting)
I felt that method of advanced configuration was lame at first, but I'm getting used to it. I kind of prefer it over having every configuration item listed in the preferences dialog.
Anyway, that's how you turn on the location bar.
Re:GNOME vs KDE (not flamebait!) (Score:2, Interesting)
The KDE project started off as a modern/nice looking replacement for CDE. The problem was that it used QT, which was only available under the a crappy license[0], the QPL, that made it impossible to distribute KDE in binary form. The GNOME project was started to provide a Free alternative to KDE.
At this point, GNOME's only reason for existing is to be a free alternative for KDE. GNOME has no overall vision or direction, so it ends up being pretty similar.
Eventually, Trolltech made QT available under the GPL as well as the non-free QPL; perhaps in response to GNOME's rising popularity.
However, the GNOME libraries were available under the much more commercial-friendly LGPL. GNOME was therefore chosen by Sun to replace their ageing CDE platform.
Sun did a lot of work on GNOME's usability and this became the project's focus. This is the point at which GNOME and KDE both have separate directions, and so they diverge. This is also the point that the GNOME/KDE disagreements really heated up.
Of course, this is probably very glib and facile and I'm sure I'll be corrected by someone who acutally worked on GNOME/KDE in the days of yore.
[0] http://www.debian.org/News/1998/19981008 [debian.org]
Re:In the eye of the beholder (Score:5, Interesting)
I take it you've not read the comments from the developer in bugzilla, where requests for the ability to set options and for full-screen preview are marked WONTFIX. Quotes:
"My view is that any screensaver theme that requires configuration is inherently broken."
"I don't think [full-screen preview] solves any real problems."
Yes, there are valid concerns about random people setting GLtext to display [insert obscenity here] or pointing the slideshow screensaver at their pr0n collection on a computer in a government office or business. That said, that problem has been "solved" in a manner inconsistent with the rest of GNOME. pessulus and sabayon (or however those are spelled) is supposed to be able to set limits of that sort, but the author of gnome-screensaver has unilaterally hard-wired it into police state mode, regardless of how the system administrator (who, for most of us, is us) wants it.
How much $$$ do you suppose one would have to put up to get a reasonable version of gnome-screensaver forked that allows, under pessulus control, the system administrator to either allow or deny option setting on an individual screensaver basis, allows full-screen previews, and allows the individual user to indicate for each screensaver whether it should be in the pool for random selection for that user? gnome-screensaver is, IMHO, sufficiently fundamentally WRONG that I'd contribute to a fund for a version that does it right.
Sorry to go on repeatedly and at length about what is perhaps a trivial issue, but for me it's the proverbial last straw.
Gnome better for productivity. (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:GNOME vs KDE (not flamebait!) (Score:2, Interesting)
1. It handles USB hotplugging better than KDE (at least on my system), and I use USB devices a lot. This will probably improve over time
2. KDE just feels cluttered. Gnome stays out of my way and lets me do stuff. This has emerged as a philosophical difference.
KDE, however, has always been noticably more responsive than Gnome on the same system. It's always annoying to click on the button for the main menu and wait a few seconds while it checks to see if there are any new items. I see it frequently on Gnome and Windows, but I con't remember the last time I saw it on KDE.
(Posting anon to save my mods)
Re:It's faster? (Score:3, Interesting)
foo@bar:~$ time for a in $(seq 1 10); do gnome-terminal -e "exit"; done
real 0m2.065s
user 0m0.396s
sys 0m0.076s
foo@bar:~$ time for a in $(seq 1 10); do xterm -e "exit"; done
real 0m2.211s
user 0m0.397s
sys 0m0.077s
This is 2.12, mind.
Re:GNOME vs KDE (not flamebait!) (Score:2, Interesting)
The story of my "conversion" is simple : I was looking for a linux distribution for my computer-illiterate mother, and ended up installing Ubuntu , which ships with GNOME . While initially dismissing GNOME as "You can't do anything productive with it", I came to understand that from a usability point of view it was far better than KDE : while having no previous experience with it (apart from a quick go at 1.4 and 2.4), by just clicking where it seemed logical, I got what I wanted. The UI never got in my way, and it felt... strangely perfect.
Tell me about it.
I have used KDE exclusively for the past few years but recently switched to GNOME. The first impression was stunning because the default GNOME desktop setup was essentially the same as I configured in KDE but faster.
I switched a month ago because the sheer number of options I had to change and packages I haven't used in KDE started to annoy me.
For now I see GNOME gave me more than I looked for (except from disabling history from every application I use. Why the hell can't I turn it off in Nautilus?).
Re:XGL (Score:2, Interesting)
I sure don't! I got sick and tired of the proprietary driver that crashed my kernel and kept me from upgrading when I wanted to. So I dumped it for a Radeon. It ain't perfect, but at least the Open Source driver works and is stable, and I don't have to say "please, sir" before using it.
The new XGL and AIGLX stuff looks cools, but what we need much more than that is unemcumbered video hardware. If I need the proprietary Nvidia or Radeon drivers to run the next generation Free Software desktops, you can count me out.