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FCC Levies Record Indecency Fine 577

Carl Bialik from WSJ writes "The FCC proposed a record $3.6 million fine against a single TV show, penalizing CBS and its affiliates for an episode of 'Without a Trace' that suggested a teenage sexual orgy, in the first batch of indecency fines proposed in more than a year, the Wall Street Journal reports. 'Overall, the FCC's action didn't provide a broad sweeping vision for broadcasters about what is appropriate for television,' the WSJ says. 'Notably, the FCC backed away from an effort to impose higher fines by holding all network affiliates responsible for a broadcast, instead of just the stations that had been flagged by a viewer in a complaint.'"
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FCC Levies Record Indecency Fine

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  • 3.6 million? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by jollyroger1210 ( 933226 ) <jollyroger1210@nOSPAm.gmail.com> on Thursday March 16, 2006 @09:13PM (#14938307) Homepage Journal
    Personally, if something like this appens, 3.6 million is like a slap on the wrist. Seriously, that is nothing for the big networks.

    btw, why is this rights "online"?
  • Logic go backwards (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Mr. Freeman ( 933986 ) on Thursday March 16, 2006 @09:14PM (#14938311)
    Then why is it that I keep seeing commercials for "Girls gone wild" at around 5 PM on popular channels (not premium or pay-per-view). They blur out the bare minimum and the language is somewhat more than explicit.

    So, pornography is just fine, but seeing an episode of T.V. that happens to make an allusion to sex is simply too much?
  • Re:Link to clip (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Sylver Dragon ( 445237 ) on Thursday March 16, 2006 @09:31PM (#14938416) Journal
    Thanks for the link, it helps put this in context.

    Having watched the clip, I could sort of see a complaint about indecency (assuming that such are ever justified). I just wouldn't accept that the indeceny is in depicting a rather wild party of underage people. Maybe it was just the resolution of the clip, but I would swear I saw some nipples at one point, which seems to fall under current indecency standards.
    Whether the Parents Television Council cares to accept it or not, drunken underage parties happen. At said parties underage people often engage in sex. As this seems to have been part of the story, I can understand why it was depicted. Yes, it probably rubs many people the wrong way, since they wish to ignore reality; sorry, but the right to not be offended still isn't in the US Constitution anywhere.

  • Re:3.6 million? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by mikerozh ( 710568 ) on Thursday March 16, 2006 @09:34PM (#14938433)

    Personally, if something like this appens, 3.6 million is like a slap on the wrist. Seriously, that is nothing for the big networks.

    You missed the point. The point was that there should be no fine at all.

  • 18 (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Bizzeh ( 851225 ) on Thursday March 16, 2006 @09:42PM (#14938483) Homepage
    if the teens are old enough, why cant they have an orgy. orgys are fun....
  • Re:sex is immoral (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 16, 2006 @09:53PM (#14938542)
    Meanwhile, in Holland [foxnews.com]

    Man, the Dutch are so far ahead of us it's not funny.
  • Re:3.6 million? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by thatoneguy_jm ( 917104 ) on Thursday March 16, 2006 @10:03PM (#14938603)
    I'm not sure if I'd go this far - have you seen this episode of "Without a Trace"? I don't neccessarily agree with the ruling, but to say that "...there was no nudity in the show, no sex in the show, no foul language in the show, and nothing that anyone could have pointed to in advance and said "this is obscene content"" is stretching it a little bit. The scene was basically a teen-age orgy - and while "the naughty bits" weren't shown, there were plenty of bare backs (both male and female), side shots, and groping. Add in the girls clad only in bras and panties grinding their hips on the guys, and well... Color me not surprised. I don't *agree* with the ruling, but I'm not surprised, either.
  • Re:Link to clip (Score:5, Interesting)

    by andreMA ( 643885 ) on Thursday March 16, 2006 @10:04PM (#14938610)
    I wonder too if their real outrage is more at the interracial aspects - there were at least a couple of brief shots of a white girl making out with a black guy. Of course they can't openly complain about that, so they whine in a more general sense. Just a theory.
  • by zymano ( 581466 ) on Thursday March 16, 2006 @10:07PM (#14938625)
    Why do we mock the governments of Russia and China for censorship when we can't even show live TV ?

    We need a workaround for the FCC. Why not have local rules instead of national.

    We need to 'RETAKE' our airwaves from the rightwing.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 16, 2006 @10:22PM (#14938709)
    The authority of the FCC of censoring broadcasting companies stands legally on shaky grounds and is subject of increasing controversy. This case is just another one in which the FCC has not only come up with some arbitrary and insane fees but it seems to have clearly overstepped its legal boundaries. Hopefully CBS takes the matter to the Supreme Court so that the right-wing conservative censorship in our country can be finally put to rest and the constitutional right of Free Speech and Expression reinstated again.
  • by Bullfish ( 858648 ) on Thursday March 16, 2006 @10:27PM (#14938737)
    The old money in the US that really governs the country is made up of families that had their roots in a lot of quirky religions that were run out of Europe. Hence you can have tits in a margarine commercial in Europe, but if a shrouded nipple shows up in a TV show it is chased down by investigators. Ironically, it is pretty much only in the fundamentalist whacky Muslim sect countries where you will find the equivalent of a Pat Robertson and his ilk claiming god kills millions for considering gay marriage and teaching evolution. You wonder why youth is violent, but consider that the unintended message is that American society prefers extreme violence to demonstrative physical love between people. The reality is each one of us is here because two people got laid. If they had been killed...

    Frankly, it would appear, the Europeans had the right idea with these whack-jobs.
  • Re:Link to clip (Score:2, Interesting)

    by zoloto ( 586738 ) * on Thursday March 16, 2006 @10:48PM (#14938869)
    Agreed... the part about not being offended isn't in the constitution. But in my opinion this definitely goes against the decency laws that the FCC has in place. I swear I saw some nipples in there as well and in my opinion this isn't something that should be on TV.

    Regardless of the fact that it happens in real life where such things happen at parties, I don't think it's necessary to show everyone the gory (depicted) details. Just as an example, and it's the only one I can think of but to illustrate a point I'll use it. Have you ever really seen someone get killed? In real life or on video? I can tell you I have and it's not a pretty sight. It's raw and definitely has an emotional tug to it. In video it's more of a complete stun when it happen, you just can't explain it. If you ever see it in person, most people go into some form of shock immediately especially if they're not expecting it. they turn the corner and bam, you watch a couple of guys empty a clip into someone and you just stand there as if something has completely siezed your will to move.

    Talking about orgys. To me it's the same thing. Yes they happen and sexuality is a part of us, that's not in debate. (insert liberal rhetoric here) But the point I'm making deals with decades of research into human development and maturity. Most people don't want to see raw imagery of this type and in fact the percentage of these kinds of things happening is very low overall. People want to feel good and usually this is the case in a human healthy human being so they watch a thriller, or a comedy, an action flick etc.

    I may be wrong to someone's opinion here but that's life.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 16, 2006 @10:53PM (#14938903)
    That V-Chip is useless. Just like all the other age rating systems. Why? Because of the ratings themselves - it's truly the "weakest link", preventing it from being useful.

    I have 2 young children (yes, I do my parent job - not just put them in front of the TV), so I figured I'd lock the 18yo+ stuff, only to find out lots of normal and very boring shows were blocked (nearly half the time you'd change channel).

    Programs like Dora the explorer are rated 14+ or such (more something like my 6yo likes). And then on "general public" rated stuff, you see ads for shows whose ads are somewhat disturbing even for adults (and I'm not too sensitive; talking about graphic physical violence and ads for shows called "autopsy" and such).

    You can't rely on that thing to block anything, unless you don't mind it blocking all channels... The only way I can let the kids change channels is by having bought a "weemote" remote, that only works on some safe channels like Treehouse and such.

    I wish they'd gimme my half penny back for the V-chip, it's an absolute waste of time and money - borderline false advertizing (it doesn't deliver).
  • Re:3.6 million? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 16, 2006 @11:15PM (#14939039)
    Ok, so we've got bare backs, girls in panties and bras, and bumping and grinding. Can we get this in writing? Is there anything else that might get people sued?

    Nobody can come up with a list ahead of time, but you can be sure that if there's something that should have been on it, you'll be sued over it. This is why these laws are a bad idea. We might as well erase all our laws and just go with "if you do bad things we'll put you in jail for a while" and let lawyers deal with "bad" "things" "we" "jail" and "while" later.
  • by coolgeek ( 140561 ) on Thursday March 16, 2006 @11:58PM (#14939276) Homepage
    Congratulations! You have likely invested the work necessary in selecting a good match as your mate and all the subsequent work in keeping the relationship healthy. One day I may be so lucky...until then I'm in this never ending cycle of dating various women, many of whom could have been a quickie character on Seinfeld.

    But don't delude yourself, your utopia is not the norm. I'll keep it real short and simple. When I met my accountant to help me out of some tax problems some years back, he had a little talk to me about marriage and divorce. He said marriage can be about a lot of things, true love, insecurity, combining efforts, companionship, social status, etc. but he made it clear on no uncertain terms that divorce was always about money. He probably has the right position in our society to make the observation, being an accountant and all. I think he's right.
  • by king-manic ( 409855 ) on Friday March 17, 2006 @12:48AM (#14939511)
    You sick fuck. You obviously have no idea why you should get married. HINT: It's ALL about love. Money should have nothing to do with it on either side. If it does, you have two sad and sorry victims of capitalist propaganda. I married my wife because I love her and she did the same with me. I don't make much money and she doesn't care. We live comfortably enough, have a great sex life and have made it to our late 30s and early 40s with only one kid (in 2004 and planned in advance) in 16 years of sex. But outside of the sex we love to actually BE with each other. I don't run screaming from the house to hang out with my male friends because she's just too much fun to hang out with no matter what we do. And she doesn't run screaming from me because she has a good time with me.

    Little note: Marriage has nothign to do with love it started as a property contract between a man and the family of a girl. It's shifted a bit over the last 200 years (yes the chaneg was very recent). Even now it's more about propperty then about love since the state doens't care if you love the one you marry.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 17, 2006 @03:40AM (#14940095)
    The SouthPark guys really made a mockery of the MPAA when they made "Team America: World Police". If you haven't seen it, it's done with marionettes and it's ultra-violent (puppet violence haha). The geniuses then threw in a doll sex scene (the dolls aren't anatomically correct btw) and the MPAA took the bait. They objected to NOTHING, other than the doll sex.

    IMDB has some trivia about the movie

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0372588/trivia [imdb.com]
  • by sgant ( 178166 ) on Friday March 17, 2006 @03:48AM (#14940110) Homepage Journal
    If they had any balls, they wouldn't pay it. They should make a statement saying the no longer recognize the authority of the FCC to be passing judgement on decency and they only recognize that the FCC is there to pass out bandwidth registrations.

    Tell them they're not paying the fine. Also tell them they're not giving up their licence and they're going to keep broadcasting also...what are they going to do about it? Send in the FCC cops to arrest thousands of people and affiliates across the country? If ALL the networks had any balls, they would stand up to these idiots and say "you only have power because we say you have power". If they were all to ignore the FCC, what would happen?

    Of course, this is only a pipe dream and CBS will cave totally and pay the fine. So that the totally unchecked power of the FCC will continue on.
  • by Bazzalisk ( 869812 ) on Friday March 17, 2006 @06:57AM (#14940585) Homepage
    And having to stand up in church or registry office and sign a contract saying that you will stay with your parttner until death do you part isn't an insult to one's honour?

    If I say I'll love my girlfriend for the rest of my life then I would expect to be taken as being honest, not be required to go through a marriage ceremony to "prove" it.

    My parents' marriage broke-up, my paternal grandparents were divorced, and my maternal grandparents damned well ought to have been divorced if the catholic church would only allow it. Marriage proves nothing, and requiring it is as much of an insult as requiring a pre-nuptual agreement would be.

    (Just glad that my girlfriend feels the same way)

  • by SmallFurryCreature ( 593017 ) on Friday March 17, 2006 @09:33AM (#14941048) Journal
    Well, parts of the EU anyway. Dutch tv has had kids programs with nudity in it for ages. Stricly educational off course. [smirk]

    The extremely tame clip would barely register here. Not when a program during the daytime aimed squarely at kids has full frontal nudity in it.

    But don't worry, with dutch parties like CDA (Christian Dicks & Assholdes) we will soon have the same puritan system as the good old US of A.

    What happened to the idea of free speech anyway?

  • by plurgid ( 943247 ) on Friday March 17, 2006 @10:44AM (#14941451)
    Bah!
    Marriage is the mechanism a culture uses to force it's people to actually take care of their kids. That's it, plain and simple.

    No seriously, love, happieness, little prancing fairies, unicorns, and rainbows are nice, but at the real core of it, that's not what it's about.

    Somewhere, way back at the dawn of Man, it was like this:

    Dude: "I wanna have sex with you",
    Chick: "yeah that dosen't sound too bad"
    Parents: "WTF? I just finished raising your little asses, and I ain't gonna take care of the fruit of your loins"

    end result, the parents meet with the tribal elders, and they come up with a contract that says:

    "okay, if you're gonna have sex, you're gonna stay together and deal with the little screaming bundles of joy that result, if you don't there will be severe penalties ... maybe we'll let her take all your sheep or something"

    So after that, a lot of dudes were like "yyyeah, I just wanna hit it and quit it ... maybe I'll just take it home and spank it or something". But chicks get horny too ... and so there was a lot of sneaking around and shit, and it wasn't really working.

    So the culture had to start selling it to the girls as a pre-requisite for getting in of the pants. That's when religion got a hold of it, I'm sure, and people started damning their eternal souls as a result of their reproductive drive. Also probably why cultures started elaborate marriage ceremonies, where the woman is made into "royalty for a day" ...

    In order for any civilization to survive, it's children must be raised in a stable, loving environment. I'm talking in an evolutionary since here, not in some sort of fundamentalist since. This is why every successfull culture (by which I mean long lived ones) provides for some sort of marriage contract/ceremony, whatever.

    It's to make sure the kids are taken care of, not that YOU are taken care of.

    Which is why I think gay marriage should be a pre-requisite for gay adoption.
  • by R2.0 ( 532027 ) on Friday March 17, 2006 @12:02PM (#14942051)
    Has anyone considered the possibility that the FCC really doesn't like being the Morality Police. If we assume this is true, the FCC is in a bad position: enforcing laws they don't agree with, with oversight by the jackasses in Congress of both parties.

    So what is a bureaucrat to do? How about going the other direction - enforcing the hell out of the regulations. If the FCC keeps upping the ante with ever larger fines, they can appease Congress and inevitably SOMEONE is going to push back. (Personally, I think they were hoping Infinity would push back over the Howard Stern fine)

    If SCOTUS overturns the rules, the FCC can then wash their hands of being the Morality Police and throw it back on Congress.

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