Internet Searches Reveal CIA's Secrets 284
GabrielF writes "In another blow to the reputation of the agency that just can't seem to get anything right, the Chicago Tribune used web searches and various commercial online databases to uncover a treasure trove of information about the CIA. The Tribune found the identities of over 2600 CIA employees (including an undisclosed number of covert operatives) as well as the locations of over two dozen CIA facilities across the U.S., internal telephone numbers, and information on 17 aircraft."
"the locations of over two dozen CIA facilities" (Score:3, Interesting)
KFG
Covert Agency? (Score:5, Interesting)
The CIA trained Arabs to be terrorists. (Score:4, Interesting)
That depends on the definition of "right". CIA employees get more money and promotions if there is more trouble in the world. So, they make trouble. For example, the CIA trained Osama bin Laden and other Arabs in the techniques of terrorism. [futurepower.org]
U.S. citizens should not expect that ANY U.S. government secret agency actually does what it is supposed to do. The secrecy allows the purpose to drift off course, until it is the employees who determine what happens, not the policy makers.
Government leaders, such as U.S. congressmen and women, are allowed to know only the public relations information about the secret agencies, not what is really happening. In the name of secrecy and covert operation, the secret U.S. government agencies are allowed to lie. They place lies in newspapers and magazines the same way other P.R. is placed.
A government that sometimes acts in secret cannot be said to be a democratic government, because the citizens cannot supervise what they don't know.
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Before, Saddam got Iraq oil profits & paid part to kill Iraqis. Now a few Americans share Iraq oil profits, & U.S. citizens pay to kill Iraqis. Improvement?
feh, meh, geh... (Score:2, Interesting)
Preface
Conspiracy theories are nothing new to history. Plots to kill Caesar and overthrow Rome abounded, for instance. However, it is seldom that concrete clues to such plots come to light, and are generally known.
The document you are about to read is real. It is no forgery, as alleged of "The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion." or actual forgeries such as those of Anne Frank, or (more recently) Hitler's diary.
"TOP SECRET: Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars, An introductory Programming Manual" was uncovered quite by accident on July 7th, 1986 when an employee of Boeing Aircraft Co. purchased a surplus IBM copier for scrap parts at a sale, and discovered inside details of a plan, hatched in embryonic days of the "Cold War" which called for control of the masses through manipulation of Industry, peoples' pastimes, education and political learning's. It called for a quite revolution, putting brother against brother, and diverting the public's attention from what is really going on.
For all intents and purposes, this document has "come to pass," much as Henry Ford, Sr. said the Protocols (regardless of their veracity) applied to the events of his day.
It is reprinted in its virgin form, with diagrams, as a touch of reality.
{Note; I removed the diagrams for reasons of ease of getting the information onto the internet.}
It is heavy reading, but it will (as it well should) spur you to read further, keep your eyes and ears open, and sound an alarm in Zion, for though she presently dwells with Babylon's daughter (Micah 4), her redemption draweth nigh.
Truth bears no fear.
--- TOP SECRET ---
SILENT WEAPONS FOR QUITE WARS
An introductory programing manual.
OPERATORS RESEARCH TECHNICAL MANUAL
TM-SW7905.1
TABLE OF CONTENTS
Security
Historical Introduction
Political Introduction
Energy
Descriptive Introduction of the Silent Weapon
Re:Covert Agency? (Score:1, Interesting)
What a waste (Score:1, Interesting)
Give him time (Score:5, Interesting)
The following article explains some of the issues behind the Tribune article
http://www.tpmcafe.com/node/26366 [tpmcafe.com]
The agency is
I have no doubt Goss is horrified. He just took over the CIA, and what GS manager would enjoy an outsider showing him a clear look at his department? And Goss hasn't had a chance ot fix things yet. THat is, if that's his goal...with the CIA, who knows?
By the way, didn't Goss inherit an agency that was once run by George Bush? It would explain a lot.
The CIA has other problems as well. The worse is that it facing some competition from private firms like StratFor(sorta like the US Post Office and Federal Express). It can't be much fun to be a world famous secret agency and having to explain to the Intelligence committee why you are being scooped by some small company in Austin,
For those of you who haven't heard of it, StratFor (http://www.stratfor.com/ [stratfor.com]) is a private intelligence firm, with several hundred thousand customers, that is the CIA for multinationals and private individuals. It is considered somewhat more accurate than the CIA. http://seekerblog.com/archives/20050313/is-stratf
Hmm.. if the CIA is getting rid of people, that means they are hiring. I would like to apply as an intelligence analyst, or maybe an In Tel Q VC... (There is a rumor the easiest way to apply for a job with the CIA is write in on your computer and wait for ADVISE to pick it up. http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0209/p01s02-uspo.ht
Re:What a waste (Score:3, Interesting)
tinfoil hat time (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:The CIA trained Arabs to be terrorists. (Score:5, Interesting)
Not that they guy we ended up supporting (because the pakastani's supported him) was that much better, but please remember that Bin Ladin was first and foremost a financer during the Afgani conflict... He was there because he had jihad money in the first place.
You may now return to your regularly scheduled group-think
Re:Give him time (Score:3, Interesting)
As far as your George H Bush cheap shot, remember that the CIA was built to take on and stop the Ruskies. Not terrorism. In comparison, foreign power survallience is a hell of a lot easier then tracking down guys that no one has ever heard of who like to blow themselves up where they can kill the maximal number of jews, christians, hindus, women and children.
Frankly, this is a much harder question. And as much as we have heard critics of the administration blast them for every single decision, I have yet to see a workable plan from anyone on how we (as Americans) handle this problem long term other then capitulate or nuke them all.
My perverse need... (Score:3, Interesting)
Wow. Holy Fucking Shit. They've gone off the deep end more than I suspected.
The few minutes my stomach could stand to watch before being forced to regurgitate my wonderful New Mexico Green Chile Posole, was 100% pure propaganda. I mean WWI, Wilson type propaganda. The segement was titled something like "Three ways to kick Iran's fucking ass: Booyah to the Mulahs!" The gist was that we'd waltz into Iran with an Army--I guess they left out the draft part in order to find enough 'willing' troops-- and kick some Axis of Evil ass. Fuck Yeah. They did leave out the part about the path being strewn with fragrant rose petals. Sigh.
Also, in direct response to your post, a 4th excuse:
4. Being Plain Fucking Stupid
Curious about the CIA? Read these books! (Score:3, Interesting)
Dark Alliance
Gold Warriors
Inside the Company: CIA Diary
Thy Will Be Done, The Conquest of the Amazon
The Mafia, CIA, and George Bush
The Outlaw Bank
Deep Politics and the Death of JFK
Plausible Denial
Cocaine Politics
The Politics of Heroin
The Iran-Contra Connection
Crossing the Rubicon
The Haunting of America
Secret Agenda
Killing Hope
JFK by Fletcher Prouty
The Secret Team by Fletcher Prouty
Confessions of an Economic Hitman
The Third Option by Ted Shackley
Powderburns, Cocaine, Contras and the Drug War
The Assassination of Robert F. Kennedy by Turner and Christian
Re:Disinformation (Score:2, Interesting)
> the biggest ditz/boof I've ever met, but is a great climber and
> perky enough to get promotions just on her smile.
I think I know the one you're talking about and it's not just her. Have you seen the shared network drives at military contractors? TS clearance my ass. The amount of potentially damaging information which I could access just by casually browsing the shared drives was disturbing. The only requisite for a TS clearance is that a person was sheltered enough to always have a fallback in case everything else went to crap. Some of the people walking around were truly tough old-school military types who had seen the rough side of hopelessness but even they still had mother military to take care of them.
Security clearances have less to do with security and more to do with social selection. Since I'm not really interested in endearing myself to someone without reciprocation I was easily deselected. It's the ultra-secretive people who don't fit in easily because they're not apt to play suckup to the fellow above them. The people who fit in easily are more likely to flap their mouths about things that they shouldn't be. FItting in, however, is more a requisite for a security clearance than actual security.
Truly a back-asswards system.
German intelligence not much better (Score:5, Interesting)
- Both agents were doing everything but keeping a low profile in the days before the evacuation of the German Embassy in Iraq. Apparently they had no problems mingling with the press.
- Both had websites with pictures of their current postings. For example, one guy showed himself with his family at his new post in Australia.
- Their websites had guestbooks. Other agents left "well concealed" messages on there. For example, one post ended with "greetings from Pullach". The CIA equivalent of that would be "greetings from Langley".
Pretty bad...Re:Disinformation (Score:4, Interesting)
In fact - unqualified.
They did not perform any attempt to cover their mobile usage and had no clue whatsoever about the level of precision mobile location records from GSM can yield in a high density urban environment. Italians love to talk so the GSM coverage in their cities is one of the densest in Europe.
All the judge had to do is subpoena the Italian GSM operators.
Re:Disinformation (Score:1, Interesting)
The article titled "Plame's identity, if truly a secret, was thinly veiled" was by "John Crewdson, Tribune senior correspondent" and was about how easy it was for the Tribune to use Internet databases open to the public to identify many CIA operatives. And he makes the case that Valerie Plame could be easily outed, and so, well gosh, Libby and who knows who else was not doing anything that could not be done legally.
Smells like a plant by the Cheney side, with cooperation of Tribune management/editorial. When I look up John Crewdson, I find he lives not far from the CIA HQ.
"JOHN CREWDSON is a senior writer for the Chicago Tribune based in Washington, D.C., who holds the 1981 Pulitzer Prize for national reporting. His 50,000-word Tribune account of the discovery of HIV was accorded the 1989 George Polk Award. He and his family currently reside in Bethesda, Maryland."
When I look up what he writes about, his stories are exclusively all about the CIA, or about terrorism, or what mistakes the CIA made in Italy that it should not repeat, etc. Nothing else. He's very specialized. For him to write an article like this about how the Internet exposes CIA personnel seems a bit odd. He's too closely connected. So if you hear this news story being cited by the Libby defense, dollars to donuts it was a setup from the beginning.
Furthermore, in the past he wrote a book review in the NYTimes questioning whether Karen Silkwood was killed or died accidently. In 1982 Crewsdon worked for the NYTimes and did a review of a book on Karen Silkwood, and says:
"Despite Mr. Kohn's effort to demonstrate his even handedness, his book still dismisses, too readily for my taste anyway, the possibility that the Silkwood crash was no more than an accident."
Karen's murder was hardly an accident though it was made to look like one. Crewdson could well be someone in the pocket of corporate and government interests. His job as a plant, to defend them in the media, but by subtle means. His new article has the flavor of subtle disinfo.
The CIA gave bin Laden things he could not buy. (Score:3, Interesting)
That is my understanding, after considerable reading. AND... it is not relevant.
Osama bin Laden did not need money or arms. He had millions of dollars of his own money; he was extremely wealthy and had connections with other extremely wealthy people who wanted to fund his ideas.
Here's part of what the CIA gave bin Laden, perhaps completely indirectly:
A deep understanding of how to be an efficient terrorist: What bin Laden needed was the CIA's manuals that tell how to be a terrorist. There was a news story about an Arab terrorist manual that had been found, and some of the text was quoted. The U.S. government stopped the quoting. However, before it was stopped, it was completely obvious that the original language of the terrorist manual was certainly not Arab and it seemed obvious to me that it was American English.
Jobless people trained in violence: When the U.S. government's largely secret support for aggression against Russia was finished, all those trained in violence and CIA terrorist methods needed work. Their resumes did not support getting jobs as rug merchants; all they knew was violence. That was the CIA's second biggest contribution to OBL: A huge group of people trained in and looking for violence.
Followers who hated U.S. government interference and violence: Other incidents of what the CIA calls "Blowback" provided strong reasons to hate U.S. government intervention. Also, many people in the U.S. government have a difficult time understanding this, but Arabs don't like to be killed.
A huge cache of modern missiles and explosives: Sure, maybe there was never a formal transfer of weapons to OBL, with contracts signed and handshakes, but a huge number of weapons and a huge amount of weapons material were left, and became available to OBL.
Watch a movie about 9/11:
No evidence of body part of Arabs was ever found. Some of the "Arab terrorists" named by the U.S. government later were found to be alive and working in Arab countries.
World Trade Center building 7 fell in exactly the same way as WTC 1 and 2, and it was NOT hit by an airplane. ALL the collapses looked exactly like controlled demolitions.
Watch the interesting movie Loose Change [google.com]. It is a work in progress, but already very informative.