Google Slips Talk of Online Storage Service 266
sonsonete writes "Reuters reports that Google is preparing to offer online storage, according to company documents that were mistakenly released on the Web. From the piece: 'The existence of the previously rumored GDrive online storage service surfaced after a blogger discovered apparent notes in a slide presentation by Google executives published on Google's site after its analysts presentation day last Thursday.'"
Concept vs. Reality (Score:5, Insightful)
But there's the worry that if Google did this, how long before the Bureau of National Security Over Privacy and All Else presses Google to make content of this online storage available to the FBI? RIAA? MPAA? Cheney Department of Vindictive Leaks?
It's thought provoking, certainly. Then there's the inevitable: I'll pass.It slipped out (Score:5, Insightful)
Encryption (Score:5, Insightful)
Why give everything to google? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Didn't we have this in 1997? (Score:5, Insightful)
Dude, get on the fan-boi band wagon. It doesn't matter if anything came before. If google does, it will be "better."
Seriously, this might be useful but I would definently want to encrypt that data. It still doesn't obviate the need for local back-ups. My data back-ups are routinely over 4GB is size. No way am I tranporting that up my stinking little DSL connection. But I could see a use for those few must have docs.
Their Objective (Score:5, Insightful)
What is so damned cryptic about that? This has been google's strategy from the beginning, the more info they have about you, the users - the better they can market to you, the users.
I would be worried, of course, about the obvious bad possibilities that can from from this unprecedented access this gives google to our info. But that discussion has been played out with every google took.
Re:This already exists... (Score:3, Insightful)
scary (Score:3, Insightful)
"one goal of Google was to "store 100 percent" of consumer information."
Im sorry there just some of my info I trust to ME, MYSELF, and I.
Re:That's just what we need! (Score:3, Insightful)
Actually, the article suggests just the opposite!
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Something just doesn't sit right... (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Why give everything to google? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:That's just what we need! (Score:4, Insightful)
Likewise, the storage scheme will be the same thing. Google now gets to look at your entire life, and figure out how which of thier clients can help you with your lifestyle. Again, your privacy may no be specifically violated, at least in the near term, but it is still too much of a price for me to pay, when i can get the same thing without the risks for $10 a month.
Re:That's just what we need! (Score:5, Insightful)
One would also expect that a google online drive would be roughly as secure as their mail account (same username and password, potentially different avenues for hacking, however). Email security is pretty important, so if a person is willing to trust their personal communications to Google, why not a few files? Besides, it's probably a lot more secure than the average user's personal computer.
Re:Why give everything to google? (Score:5, Insightful)
Your encryption + their encryption = fuck the police
Re:Why give everything to google? (Score:3, Insightful)
Because most people see that getting something "free" in return for giving up their personal information is worth it. Hell, there have been countless "studies" that asked people for their personal identifiable information including mother's maiden name and birthdate with nothing more than a phone call.
Re:GMail is already online storage (Score:5, Insightful)
No-one at google reads your, mine or anyone else's email.
They're scanned for keywords by a machine and spat out into your browser. The same goes for your search results, too.
There's a big difference between someone reading your emails like some kind of wartime censor and a script running on a machine that adds contextual information. Do you object to Google adding BR tags to your email where it sees a carriage return tag (or whatever) in an incoming email. Are they 'reading' your mail then?
*walks off mumbling about paranoid americans*
Previous Solutions (Score:3, Insightful)
Another thing is that many of them were purely web based, and did not neccessarily offer anything like WebDAV to make it easier to transfer the files.
This is not to say that Google will go the same way, but that something will have to happen to avoid the same issues.
Re:Encryption (Score:5, Insightful)
Remember, the idea of a honest executive branch that will got to a court to get a permission to spy on you, or that you will get a speedy trial, or even a lawyer is history. Through fear we have allowed the government to become what it is now, blame the neo-conservatives for that if you want. Watch the "Power Of Nightmares" movie [archive.org], I just saw it two days ago, quite enlightening, not totally objective but nevertheless it was worth my time (3 hours).
Re:Encryption (Score:1, Insightful)
Re:Encryption (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:That's just what we need! (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Encryption (Score:5, Insightful)
In fact, if Google encrypted everyone's files when they uploaded them on their GDrive, then it would probably limit your exposure, since then the encryption couldn't be an immediate red-flag. It's easy to single out people who are using encryption and get their passwords through some other means (keysniffing, etc.) when its only a few per thousand or million users, when it becomes universally used then it's much more difficult.
However as other people have pointed out I'm not sure that Google will offer any encryption, not because of government coercion but because it makes the data much harder to index (for advertising and searching purposes) and compress (you don't think that your 325 MB GMail box really takes up 325 MB on disk, do you?).
Re:Google's Plans (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:GMail is already online storage (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:It slipped out (Score:3, Insightful)
For a mass storage system to do this it seems to me it would have to somehow checksum every file and then compare that checksum to the checksum of every other file stored within the system to determine if it's already got a copy or not, seems to me with a very high volume of transactions this would be a very expensive operation to do versus just allocating enough storage space to store multiple instances. You also might run into problems with encrypted files, since the checksum of an encrypted file could very well match that of a totally different unencrypted file, and thus one or the other would get tossed out in error to keep a single instance on the system.
Re:That's just what we need! (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Didn't we have this in 1997? (Score:3, Insightful)
You're right, Google isn't coming up with an entirely new concept. All they're is doing is building a better mousetrap, and for some strange reason, the world is beating a path to their door. :-)
Re:Encryption (Score:3, Insightful)
The solution is right there. Google should want to handle the encryption themselves rather then have the user upload encrypted data because it will allow them to first index your data, then compress it and then encrypt it.
Re:That's just what we need! (Score:2, Insightful)
Bandwidth is the real issue (Score:4, Insightful)
When it takes X long to download that nifty video and then takes 16x as long to mirror it up to your GDrive and all the while your latency is shot to hell and even your Download speed is affected... not worth it. As others have noted: think XDrive or Yahoo Briefcase or other similar functions. Myself, I'm quite happy with the 2Gb SanDisk USB device I keep on my keychain...
AND, of course, there is that pesky privacy issue...
Re:Encryption (Score:5, Insightful)
1) Upload to Google
2) Google indexes it
3) Google compresses it
4) Google encrypts it => Google has the key.
After this is done ask yourself, how is your data now more secure against the government looking at it and against other party looking at it, than if you skipped #4 and didn't encrypt. What happens next is this:
1) FBI/NSA/Whatever1984Agency asks Google for you info
2) Google decrypts it
3) Google hands it over it Uncle Sam
4) You have pictures there of you family at Disney World
5) By accident a large trashcan appears in one of the shots
6) Uncle Sam assumes you are scouting for places to hide a dirty bomb
7) You get arrested and detained for 5 months in some unknown prison
So how about the updated procedure to avoid the unpleasand Uncle Sam encounter:
1) Encrypt using a long passphrase that only you will know
2) Upload
3) End
This would work only if everyone would be doing it. Otherwise, as someone has mentioned above, if you are the only one of 10000 people who encrypts his stuff, you will look suspicious and they'll find a why to get the key from you to look what you got in there.