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New AT&T Acquires BellSouth 406

spune writes "Only months after SBC's acquisition of AT&T last November, the newly rechristened telecom has announced that it plans to buy fellow Baby Bell BellSouth Inc, of Atlanta, Georgia for $67 billion. This action by AT&T will consolidate more than half of the original Bell System into a single entity, leaving only Verizon and Qwest as remaining Bell family competitors. Analysts predict this deal will be approved by the FCC with only minor restrictions on the new company, which will serve residences and businesses from California to Florida."
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New AT&T Acquires BellSouth

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  • Wait a minute (Score:3, Interesting)

    by truckaxle ( 883149 ) on Sunday March 05, 2006 @10:42PM (#14855552) Homepage
    Didn't the Government spend a decade and millions of dollars breaking ma bell into piece and now we are only watching those piece reassemble. Unfortunately for most people internet access only comes thru the phone company and a system lacking competition in this vital area is not healthy
  • by lordkuri ( 514498 ) on Sunday March 05, 2006 @10:43PM (#14855563)
    What really has me kinda worried, "AT&T" will now have a *very* substantial portion of the DSL market under their thumb. A lot of smaller (and some larger) cable modem providers are getting their upstream lines from AT&T Broadband.

    Now sure, they're under contract, but what happens when those contracts run out? Will we see another @Home debacle while the cable co's scramble to replace their uplinks, and ultimately end up paying a lot more for comparable connections and as a result, end up being forced to charge a helluva lot more to provide the same services?
  • Inevitable. (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Bob_Robertson ( 454888 ) on Sunday March 05, 2006 @10:49PM (#14855580) Homepage
    The old AT&T government granted monopoly was never really ended. The so-called Baby Bells maintained government granted monopoly status over their respective regions, a monopoly status that is still in place.

    One of the most corrupt forms of merchantilism, these monopolies insulate the phone companies from competition and create the environment for them to simply buy each other all over again.

    The only thing Judge Green would have needed to do all those years ago was repeal (and prevent the states from reestablishing) monopoly protection of AT&T. Let competition come in where ever the established service provider was not providing decent service, or was charging too much, or anything and everything else that different providers use to compete for your, and my, business.

    But no, the regulators wouldn't release even slightly their death-grip on the phone systems, not really, so local monopoly grants continued. Now they're buying each other and the "anti-monopoly" types have the gall to act surprised.

    There is no such thing as a "natural" monopoly. Even Microsoft must continually innovate (or at least make people think that they innovate) in order to keep their customers. Only government is able to grant monopoly status, as was done with railroads, electric utilities, telephones. If some company is dominant in a field without those legal grants, they can only do so because they serve the customers better than their competition.

    I don't mean "provide better service", because even as Windows came to dominate I was already using Linux and understood that Windows was not providing "better service". I mean serving their customers better, by better serving their subjective wants whether an outsider would consider them objectively "better" served or not.

    Bob-

  • Re:Wait a minute (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Bios_Hakr ( 68586 ) <xptical@gmEEEail.com minus threevowels> on Sunday March 05, 2006 @10:54PM (#14855617)
    Today, if you walked into a RBOC and asked to buy/lease local loops or rackspace, they'd have to let you. 30 years ago, they'd have laughed in your face.

    In fact, when you buy a SpeakEasy line, that's what happens. You buy the line from SE. SE buys a slot on the local DSLAM and pays to have it connected to your loop. Because SE is buying 1000 lines at a time, they can get them cheaper than if you bought it directly from your RBOC.
  • by rufey ( 683902 ) on Sunday March 05, 2006 @11:33PM (#14855729)
    Cingular, which absorbed AT&T Wireless in October 2004 when it was purchased by SBC and BellSouth (and now owned by new AT&T and BellSouth), will also have its name dropped in favor of the AT&T name.

    From MSNBC [msn.com]: After spending millions of dollars to rebrand AT&T Wireless Services Inc. stores as Cingular stores and hundreds of millions of dollars more on marketing the new Cingular after its $41 billion acquisition of AT&T Wireless in October 2004, Cingular will now become AT&T if the merger with BellSouth is completed.

    So for all of those who at one time had AT&T Wireless as your cell provider and stuck with them through the Cingular Wireless purchase and are still with them, you'll now be moved back to the (new) AT&T brand. I would have been one of them had my compnay not switched to T-Mobile 3 weeks ago.

  • by Majik Sheff ( 930627 ) on Sunday March 05, 2006 @11:40PM (#14855750) Journal
    This is true and is an excellent illustration in how vertical integration is the real enemy of free markets. For the cellular market this means that one company should own the towers and lease antenna space; other companies place antennae on the towers and lease connectivity to carriers, and then cell companies lease bandwidth from the carriers.
    When a company begins to own more than one component of the system, free markets go bye-bye.
    Something similar is occurring right now in the midwest with livestock operations. Food packing companies are attempting to buy out local farming operations, thereby cutting brokers out and removing much of the commodity nature of the industry. One step closer to monopolistic reign.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 05, 2006 @11:42PM (#14855755)
    As the owner of the oldest ISP in South Carolina, I can honestly say that BellSouth's is full of crap about their estimated value of their lines and billing. We have 63 locations in Georgia, NC, and SC now, and in almost all of the locations, BellSouth struggled to even connect a simple T1. Very often, they had trouble even delivering a few POTS lines. Yes, we still offer 33.6 dialup in many areas since BellSouth is too incompetent to configure some of their switches to handle PRI. The only employees they have left have no experience and most are simply incompetent. My grandfather, father, and two of my brothers worked as repairmen for them. They've all retired or retired early. The only people still on the payroll have no idea what they're doing. They can't even troubleshoot simple POTS lines. Most of their local copper lines are complete crap. BellSouth really started cutting corners on the quality of their wires in the mid 80's. When looking for new locations to open a POP, I go to buildings built before 1980 since they have much better wiring to the building than the newer BellSouth garbage.

    My mother worked in their payphone operation division. They were so incompetent, that that division went under in 2003. BellSouth couldn't even keep their own damn payphones working. According to my mother, at one time in her area over 40% of the BellSouth payphones were inoperable due to BellSouth problems. Payphones were first made in 1891, and BellSouth couldn't even keep that 100+ year-old technology working. Because of that my mother now works as a cashier in a grocery store.

    About the billing. They bill us about 20 times (not a typo) what they actually should. I have an employee that spends almost full-time dealing with their billing screw-ups. WorldCom used to inflate billing like that...right before their billing claims were exposed a complete fraud. BellSouth certainly seems to be headed the same way.

    You can summarize BellSouth by the outdated or inferior equipment, a very incompetent workforce due to layoffs and early retirement, substandard wiring, and inflated billing. I don't see this going well at all for SBC.
  • Not quite (Score:3, Interesting)

    by butlerm ( 3112 ) on Sunday March 05, 2006 @11:52PM (#14855786)
    Not quite - the decision that you are referring to said that RBOCs did not have to share the *same* copper pair with DSL providers. CLECs can still get their own lines.

    The really scary part is the recent FCC decision to classify DSL as an "information service" that does not have to support independent ISPs at all, a decision that gives the Bell operating companies free a complete exemption from common carrier rules that were written to prevent Ma Bell from engaging in precisely the type of behavior that the FCC decided to give them free reign to engage in. Things like blocking or degrading anything they feel like for example. The FCCs current discussion about Internet discrimination is mostly a bunch of hot air, because they exempted the RBOCs from the very laws designed to prevent stuff like that.
  • by mr_burns ( 13129 ) on Monday March 06, 2006 @12:03AM (#14855812)
    http://www.2600.com/covers/fa042.gif [2600.com]

    Crazy that is was a year and a half ago. But still pretty topical. And I'm pretty sure those of us old enough to remember the days of many RBOC's can identify with the statement.

  • by moosesocks ( 264553 ) on Monday March 06, 2006 @12:13AM (#14855842) Homepage
    But this all goes away if phone companies are allowed to "share towers"

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't Cingular and Verizon already lease tower space from each other to cut down on costs?

    In this case, density economics don't play anywhere nearly as big of a factor.
  • by sydbarrett74 ( 74307 ) <sydbarrett74NO@SPAMgmail.com> on Monday March 06, 2006 @12:26AM (#14855864)
    Mod parent up! What you just described is *exactly* what the UK government forced upon BT, and the UK enjoys some of the lowest rates and highest penetration for broadband in the world. We should use the BT divestiture as a model for this country...
  • Re:Wait a minute (Score:3, Interesting)

    by BenFranske ( 646563 ) on Monday March 06, 2006 @12:28AM (#14855869) Homepage
    AFAIK if you're a real CLEC they still need to share the pair. It also doesn't really matter because the ILECs have discovered it's more profitable to share the pair and then not have to deal with any customer service than it is to do it all in-house. My understanding is they make more actual profit (after you subtract customer service costs) on the shared lines. The reason they don't drop service and strictly become a wholesaler is none of the CLECs (even together) are big enough to handle the volume.
  • by core plexus ( 599119 ) on Monday March 06, 2006 @12:48AM (#14855916) Homepage
    My phone, internet, mobile, and DTV are all supplied by a member-owned cooperative (Matanuska Telephone). I used to have service through corporate suppliers, but switched years ago, and am glad I did.

    The service costs less, and after the infrastructure and upgrades are paid for, I get a check back every year. Plus, we get to vote on stuff, and we own the company.

    Only way to go, IMO.

  • by Jah-Wren Ryel ( 80510 ) on Monday March 06, 2006 @01:02AM (#14855958)
    you forget that AT&T will control a significant portion of the DSL market, which would allow AT&T to set forth the same anti-trust/anti-competitive behavior (by filtering VoIP data).

    Perhaps now the nature of recent attempts to create a tiered internet is revealed as a stalking horse.

    Since these guys are going to have to make some sort of "compromises" in order to pass regulatory scrutiny, what better compromise than to sacrifice something they don't have anyway? Make a bunch of noise about multi-tiering and then tell the FCC that they will support a law that explicitly makes tier-type pricing illegal. Then ReBell (short for Resurrection of Ma Bell) gets to proceed with the merger(s), and the cable companies are now prevented from pursuing tiered internet pricing as part of said hypothetical law,
  • I see the future.... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by borgheron ( 172546 ) on Monday March 06, 2006 @01:52AM (#14856059) Homepage Journal
    First there will be a merger between Verizon and Qwest forming Veriqwest or, my personal favorite, Qweerizon, whichever you prefer. The reason given for this merger will be to allow them to more adeptly compete with the new AT&T. Once the new entity starts to loose ground, the new AT&T will gobble it up and then it's "HELLO, MA BELL!"

    GJC
  • Re:Inevitable. (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Roarkk ( 303058 ) * on Monday March 06, 2006 @02:21AM (#14856126) Homepage Journal
    >So while you take twenty years to build your network and 40 to recoup your
    >investment, you'll be somehow raising that money from customers who have the
    >choice between your network, and the cheaper incumbent.
    >
    >How the FUCK do you compete with that?

    Actually, competing with that isn't that difficult right now. What most folks who live in large urban areas don't realize is that in many smaller cities and towns, the phone, cable, and electrical lines are owned by a small private company or the local government. This ownership provides a strong basis (local support and adoption) for innovation.

    For example, I'm aware of several townships in Ohio right now that are receiving Fiber to the Home and have been for several months or years. Businesses come in, do an RFP, and submit a bid. The relatively low cost of implementation generally only requires a 15%-25% subsriber rate to give a reasonable ROI, and the consumers get a single wire coming in to their homes that provides not only digital telephony and HDTV, but realistic videoconferencing and 100Mbps Internet access.

    Lots of people want to build competitive networks. And they're doing so at this moment. While I accept (while strongly disagreeing with) your philosophy that government regulation is the answer to this and other issues, I take objection to your ignorance or deliberate FUD in saying that the current system includes neither competition nor innovation.
  • by Bodysurf ( 645983 ) on Monday March 06, 2006 @02:36AM (#14856154)

    The new SBC, ATT, Bellsouth, Cingular, whatever will run fiber to my house like Verizon is doing [wikipedia.org].

    Their current Project Lightspeed [sbc.com] is dead before arrival.

  • by WheelDweller ( 108946 ) <WheelDweller@@@gmail...com> on Monday March 06, 2006 @06:12AM (#14856591)
    Bell Labs/Ma Bell/"The phone police" did one thing for about a century: run lines to people an d get'em connected. That was their main stock in trade. Maybe the merger means they'll all move to the same methodology- that cost savings, in the long run won't be a problem, but they have ONE PROBLEM that's got me bugged.

    I'm just outside the city limits- about 3 blocks. There's only 2 DSL points...CLECS?...in this town of 250,000. The second one is on the other side of town, and useless to me. I'm stuck with fiber-backboned cable, so I'm thankful the only choice is at least a good one.

    Now...my brother.

    He lives three miles west of me. Out there, it's farmland. Deer are seen _every_night_ that he goes home. Huge "shredded wheat" rolls are parked here and there, and everyone knows what brand of tractor they have, and want. Everyone knows the county extension agent, even if they don't farm- he's a neighbor, too.

    However, HE CAN'T GET DSL...not because he's even farther from the DSL point than I...but because, in his rural pastureland, his telephone service is based on FIBER OPTICS, and SBC won't let him tap into it, nor to use the increasingly-vacant copper lines to "leased-line-it" to my house. He's stuck on dialup at best, while we try to build towers and get an RF link up.

    Do you see the irony here? He can't get basic internet, because his farmland technology has outpaced mine in the city somehow. WTF?

    The company (and it's descendants) who built their industry on connecting people have two situations, very prevelant ones, in which they can't connect people. This isn't a technical problem, it's a policy problem.

    "The Innovator's Delima", perhaps?

    I spent a lot of time hating the old AT&T, not trusting that their components were really different somehow. My insticts are that we're all going to hate them, again.
  • by EmagGeek ( 574360 ) on Monday March 06, 2006 @07:21AM (#14856720) Journal
    Yes, serious financial shenanigans. It's called getting billions in government tax breaks at our expense to do a half-assed, incomplete job rolling out a few new fibers here and there and leave them dark.

    I used to live in Radnor Township just outside Philadelphia, and verizon spent an entire summer ripping up my neighborhood to install fiber everywhere. That was 4 years ago, and that fiber is still dark. Verizon has told me that they have no plans of ever lighting it up.
  • by CrownFive ( 20763 ) on Monday March 06, 2006 @10:45AM (#14857612) Homepage
    At least in California, Verizon started life as GTE, which was a rival company to AT&T. GTE was not a part of AT&T. It is probably not fair to call GTE a rival to AT&T, because both companies held/still hold monopolies over their service areas. Los Angeles County is divided into two service areas, AT&T and Verizon. If you live in one territory, you cannot get service from the other. Years ago, GTE was known for its lousy service, with their customers yerning for AT&T, which they couldn't get without moving.

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