AOL Won't Budge on Email Tax 277
deman1985 writes "InformationWeek reports that AOL has no intentions to budge on its use of certified email. The company today released a statement apparently in response to the vast amounts of criticism over the past week from consumers and various organizations. From the article: 'We believe more choices, and more alternatives, for safety and e-mail authentication is a good thing for the Internet, not bad,' said an AOL spokesman. 'Everything that AOL has in place today free for e-mail senders remains -- and will only improve.' The programs critics aren't so optimistic, but that doesn't seem to be hampering the company's plans. In a quote that could only be labeled short and sweet, AOL announced, 'Implementation of this timely and necessary safety and security measure for our members takes place in the next 30 days. Mark it on your calendars.'"
Yawn. (Score:2, Insightful)
might seem a little aloof (Score:5, Insightful)
Whatever (Score:5, Insightful)
I'd be sorely tempted to say "no aol.com addresses" when people sign up for stuff. Just put a note on the signup page that says "due to AOL's policies, we can't guarantee that you will receive the email that we send to you, therefore an AOL.COM email address is not a reliable means of communication.
Not a "tax" (Score:5, Insightful)
Opt in, or die! (Score:5, Insightful)
So in other words, Opt-ing and pay, or your email will be blocked. Spam kings willing to chip in would appear to be uneffected. Average joe mailing lists, kiss it good bye. Which beggs the question, why does anyone use AOL anymore?
-Rick
Will they allow me to filter certified emails out? (Score:5, Insightful)
Anyone who pays AOL to send me a certified email has just got to be someone I don't want to talk to.
It's a Company, folks (Score:5, Insightful)
Isn't it funny how... (Score:4, Insightful)
>>> Implementation of this timely and necessary safety and security measure for our members
Of course their motiviation is all about concern for the end-user. The fact that they will make money on every fricking email has no bearing on their decision to implement this.
Re:Yawn. (Score:3, Insightful)
No AOL email addresses allowed. (Score:5, Insightful)
I have already started adding it to signup forms on my site (forums that require email activation for example). There is no way I'm paying to send emails to new users.
Of course, this could end up with AOL users having to PAY for signups on things like email lists and other subscriptions, that would otherwise be free.
Re:It's a Company, folks (Score:5, Insightful)
Yeah ok, sure. Wake me up when SMTP is taxed by the government. Until then my mail server will happily send and receive mail.
Let the market correct this absurdity (Score:3, Insightful)
What goes around, comes around. As I previously suggested [slashdot.org], internet extortionists risk everything...
How many fools will remain with AOL when other ISPs start blocking their email?
Re:might seem a little aloof (Score:5, Insightful)
Of course a mass-mailing organization opposes it (Score:5, Insightful)
The question would be whether AOL plays nicely. If they have a non-profit rate, does that mean that they WILL absolutely demand their inch of green? Or will they note that MoveOn plays by the spam rules and not block their emails? Will AOL extort that $20k a year even if MoveOn obviously isn't spamming?
I'm a little ticked that MoveOn is trying to pretend that they're fighting for the general freedom of Internet, lest AOL start extorting your grandmother to send baby pictures. In reality they're just interested in themselves. Rightly so, perhaps, but the cloak of hysteria bugs me.
Re:Opt in, or die! (Score:3, Insightful)
Remember, Goodmail's sole reason for existence is to limit spam, while allowing legitimate mail. If they block personal emails, or allow through v1@gra ads, they're going to lose customers fast. AOL hopes to attract customers with this, not drive them away.
Aol Has made ONE mistake here... (Score:3, Insightful)
You want to send me spam email, pay me.
Also, EVERYONE complaining about this is a spammer. They don't think they are spammers, but they are. If the recepients want you on their email, they will put you in their address book and you won't be charged a thing.
Re:It's a Company, folks (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:might seem a little aloof (Score:3, Insightful)
Web hosting takes a hit as well. Hosting customers set their business up somewhere, and have all of their mail (apam and all) forwarded to their AOL account. AOL, apparently not bothering to check headers (to see that while the mail IS spam, the last hop happened at their user's request) just chunks the whole class C into their badguy list without comment.
Of course the customers are SHOCKED at the suggestion that AOL is a bad ISP! something MUST be wrong on our end!!!
Solution?: Any support request involving email forwarding to an AOL address gets the standard 'get a real ISP' response. Followup complaints to /dev/null.
Re:Aol Has made ONE mistake here... (Score:3, Insightful)
You overestimate the typical AOL user. They probably won't think to add the shop they just bought from to their address book - but they sure as hell want to receive their order confirmation.
Re:might seem a little aloof (Score:4, Insightful)
In a free democratic society you vote with a ballot. In the free market you vote with your dollars. You can help stop both of these problems.
Re:Yawn. (Score:3, Insightful)
I belong to a public mailing list right now (and have belonged to others before). The lists are free, are typically over 3/4 lurkers and 1/4 active posters, and never have more than 300 people subscribed to them at a time. I've corresponded with at least two AOL users from these lists, and both were really cool people who have just been using AOL since time immemorial.
Under this scheme we have two choices:
1) Ignore it and risk these users losing their messages as spam (which is the most likely choice).
2) Cut off all our AOL users.
3) Make someone eat the stick to pay for them to get messages.
It's not a thing that we should be "made to pay for." We're already paying our mail providers (either directly or through ad views), and we're doing no harm, but in your view we're equivalent to spammers. Just because you use the internet differently doesn't mean that everyone else who does things differently should be screwed.
Re:Open-letter petition to AOL (Score:3, Insightful)
Slippery Slope (Score:3, Insightful)
And I'd wager there would be no cost savings from your ISP. The extra layer of billing penny fractions to billions of email accounts, even handled as a tree structure (consumer 1 > mail provider 1 > mail provider 2; consumer 2 > mail provider 2 > mail provider 1...back and forth ad infinitum), would eat up all the revenue.
No, it's not sinister, but it's misguided. I'm counting on the consumers to weed this one out. AOL has further decreased the likelihood of me every subscribing to their services with this move.
Re:IT'S NOT A TAX, ya idiots. (Score:4, Insightful)
I'm sorry, I was under the assumption that AOL was an authority, and that they were imposing a charge of money to access their otherwise public service.
Of course, the 1b definition fits even without me being facetious.
Now, I'll thank you for hijacking a +5: Funny thread just because it's the first post to the article, simply because you're afraid that if it's any deeper into the comment tree no one will see it, or care about it.