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Gentoo 2006.0 Screenshot Tour 161

Posted by ScuttleMonkey from the shiny-things dept.
linuxbeta writes "Hot on the heels of Gentoo's announcement of their 2006.0 release, OSDir has published a Gentoo 2006.0 Screenshot Tour which give us a walk-through of installing Gentoo with the first ever Gentoo Linux LiveCD."
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  • Gentoo with the first ever Gentoo Linux LiveCD.

    I have been installing Gentoo on multiple systems for years and I ALWAYS used their LiveCD. This is hardly the first ever LiveCD.

  • Extra packages showing bad form? (Score:3, Informative)

    by rkcallaghan ( 858110 ) on Monday February 27, 2006 @10:13PM (#14813875)
    The Extra Packages [osdir.com] page shows some really bad form. Calling the user "you hoser"? I know Gentoo is a hobbyists distro but c'mon, should at least maintain a level of professionalism.

    ~Rebecca
    • Calling the user "you hoser"? I know Gentoo is a hobbyists distro but c'mon, should at least maintain a level of professionalism.

      Take off, eh!

    • and i was certain that this was another example of how advanced Gentoo was!

      -Mr. John A. Hoser
    • Do not question it, or we shalltaunt you a second time [osdir.com].

    • The Extra Packages [osdir.com] page shows some really bad form. Calling the user "you hoser"? I know Gentoo is a hobbyists distro but c'mon, should at least maintain a level of professionalism.

      It's nice to see that the developers at least have a sense of humor. It doesn't bother me to see this sort of thing, and it can be a little refreshing if it's used tastefully. It's also arguable that the wording also gives a straight to the point "don't do this, dummy" type of statement that might be hard to create

      • try giving this to someone who isnt a nerd and see how they feel about the obscure referencess/jokes.
        • This also isn't targeted towards regular users who might not "get it," which is important to remember.
        • Oh yeah, I was chatting with my car mechanic the other day and he was all miffed about the familiar tone his GUI installer was taking with him, too.


          Sheesh. Much as I love Gentoo, you have to admit that people who don't self-identify as nerds don't even know it exists. Unless they have some sort of tech-company investing interest, they barely know Linux exists.
        • try giving this to someone who isnt a nerd and see how they feel about the obscure referencess/jokes.

          Just a guess, but if somebody who isn't a nerd is installing Gentoo, the installer calling them a hoser probably isn't their biggest problem. There are plenty of distros meant to be easy to use and friendly to Linux noobs, but Gentoo isn't one of them.

    • I consider this one of the positive aspects. Political correctness has gone awry in our culture. Think about it. Are you really offended by that joke or do you read it and think "oh man, somebody could be offended by that joke."

      You need to relax, you're part of the problem.
      • I don't think anyone was offended. It just seems... I don't know, so juvenile. The dialog speaks so loudly about the Gentoo experience that you can almost hear the programmer chuckling to himself as he wrote it, can even almost smell the stale beer and unwashed geek. The "joke" isn't even witty or amusing. It's just stupid.
      • If pointing out things that you think could/should be improved (no matter whether they're serious bugs or cosmetic issues) makes you "part of the problem", then I think it's actually *you* who's got a much bigger problem.

        But fortunately, you (most likely) don't speak for the Gentoo developers, who, while maybe disagreeing about the issue at hand (or not), I think will at least welcome discussion and honest attempts to improve things.

        Think about it. The "you hoser" thing itself may or may not be a problem, b
      • Simply brilliant [zipperfish.net]. Yes, it's Flash. Sorry. But if you have the player, the refreshingly frank expression will brighten your day.
    • I hardly feel that quotes from Monty Python and the Holy Grail are entirely appropriate on the welcome page of the installer...

      C'mon Linux people, if you want the world to take you seriously, you need to act seriously.

      I personally love Monty Python, but humor has its place and that place is certainly not an installer's welcome page which is too crowded with text to begin with.
  • I have always liked Gentoo, but the install process is definitely time consuming. I don't do it often enough to have memorized all the steps, so I always have to print out the installation guide from the web when putting it on a new system. This graphical installer looks great, and it doesn't seem like they've dumbed anything down, just made it more convenient.

    Other than the time it takes to compile packages, I think Gentoo really is the best distribution out there for the power user. I use it on all my
    • What I thought was most cool was that it asked you all the questions before it goes off and does things, so you don't have to set one thing up, wait, set something else up, wait, set annother thing up, wait, etc.
    • "I use [Gentoo] on all my desktops and servers (although some of the very important ones run Debian)"

      So... what you're saying is that you don't run Gentoo on all of your computers.

    • Re: Distros (Score:3, Informative)

      by dch24 ( 904899 )
      Isn't it amazing how even a specialized distribution like Gentoo can offend Debian fans, not to mention others... Since we all paid nothing for these things, the least we can do is try a few more out and get some balanced opinions before flaming away.

      If you've never installed Debian or Gentoo or Red Hat and don't want to waste a CD-R (or take the time to burn it, or whatever...) most of the distributions (including Knoppix) can be run "as if" from a CD but actually from the hard drive.

      Marc Herbert's Wi [herbert.free.fr]

  • While you learned a fair bit installing Gentoo the old way, I really welcome the new installer. The cool bit about Gentoo for me was it was very easy to maintain once you got the bloody thing installed and running. I use Linux as an OS, and code. Don't care to ever become a dark master at any OS. This just makes it easier for more ding dongs like me to get a source based distro running. I'll have to give the new installer a whirl on a VM and see how it goes.

    Kudos to all you who made it easier on n00bs
    • "The cool bit about Gentoo for me was it was very easy to maintain once you got the bloody thing installed and running."

      I always found it to be an enormous PITA to maintain because things were always breaking due to undocumented changes, untested changes, etc. With other distros, I don't have to crawl through forums every other weekend just to keep the thing running, I've had fewer problems with updates on Debian than I have with MacOS.
  • So it looks pretty nice, but I hope they retain the old way for flexibility. Knowing Gentoo, I think we're safe. This will be pretty nice when it's finals week and I accidentally mess something up and just need it to work again, now. I think it'll probably just about double Gentoo's userbase, because the biggest complaint about it is probably the install.
    • Yes, the old installation method will remain possible. In fact, the installer just duplicates exactly what you would otherwise do manually by following the handbook -- no more, no less. At least not yet. =)
  • I burst into laughter when I reached the screenshot with the CFLAGS and USE flags. It looks like a good installer, but I just couldn't help it. I tried 2005.1 a few weeks ago.
    • oh and i have confirmed it on the fourms say bye bye to configureing the kernel manualy during the install. you can choose what kenerl but not what is in the kernel.

      • Re:Oh my God (Score:2, Insightful)

        by avenj ( 673782 )
        Or, you know, actually do a manual install. Which I'd assume would be what you want if you're looking to configure a kernel and whatnot straight off the bat. Or cd /usr/src and build a kernel after you've installed. Whatever floats your boat. Either way, installer's meant for quick installs, configuring and compiling a kernel's hardly quick
    • If it had only come out 2 weeks ago..
      I just finished installing 2005.1 (while removing XP) on my laptop. I had Gentoo installed for the last year and dicked around with it every once in a while. About 2 weeks ago, I decided to make the laptop pure Linux and figured might as well do a complete reinstall as I have only done it once. Might have been nice to try out the new installer as well.

  • /ob funroll-loops (Score:3, Funny)

    by Theatetus ( 521747 ) on Monday February 27, 2006 @10:30PM (#14813957) Journal

    Just to beat the h8ers to the punch:

    • Gentoo lets stupid people compile their own kernels. Stupid people ask us questions on IRC. We forget that we were stupid once too so Gentoo is stupid.
    • Smarter people use Debian. RMS is really really smart. Proof? He uses Debian. QED.
    • Gentoo lets you set compiler optimizations. Compiler optimizations won't make things 5x as fast. So they are stupid.
    • Gentoo has USE flags. USE flags are for packages that can't even decide what parts they should have. Forget them.
    • Gentoo's default editor is nano. Nano is for pussies. Proof? My college roommate used nano and he was a pussy.
    • Gentoo makes you compile stuff. Who's got time for that? There's no way to get binary packages from portage so it sucks.
    • Gentoo's mascot is a cow. Cows are herbivores. Herbivores are stupid. Proof? Pamela Anderson is a herbivore.
    • Penguins and gnus can beat up cows. So can whatever mascot slackware has.
    • Gentoo doesn't use xinetd. Xinetd is the only way to let your serverz connect to the interweb. I need my servers to connect to the interweb so I don't want Gentoo.
    • Gentoo's default editor is nano. Nano is for pussies. Proof? My college roommate used nano and he was a pussy.

      This one was good for a hearty laugh.
    • The new installer looks very slick and I'd love to give this a try. However, I really would prefer to use binary packages. I know that I could get a minor speed improvements compiling by hand, but I have fast enough hardware these days that I'm willing to trade some speed for not having to wait around while Gnome compiles. So, where are these binary packages you speak of? Gentoo.org doesn't seem to list any central repository of pre-compiled packages, and a couple searches on Google have only told me that
      • There are no public binary sources avaliable that I am aware of. As I understand it, the binary capability is there so that, if you have multiple similar systems, you can compile a package once on one of them and then do the binary install on the others.
      • OpenOffice comes as a binary package by default (thankfully)

      • As a server, compiling from source with gentoo makes not much difference.

        Running as a desktop, especially on older hardware, it can make a noticible difference.

        The main thing about gentoo for me is the portage system. emerge is fantastic. Yes, you have to compile things. However, after having used Debian's apt-get and RedHat/Fedora's yum, something about emerge is MUCH much better.

        I get annoyed every time I tell redhat to install something. Or even search for something.

        $ yum search foo
        Reading packing l


      • I know that I could get a minor speed improvements compiling by hand, but I have fast enough hardware these days that I'm willing to trade some speed for not having to wait around while Gnome compiles.

        I guess it's all in how you look at it. I see it as my hardware compiles most things fast enough that the time involved is really a non-issue. By using parallel emerges and building my kernel while portage went about its work I had a usable xfce4 desktop up and running in just a couple of hours on my dual opte
    • but Gentoo does use xinetd; what are you smoking?
      • He hasn't emerge --update --system --world in a long time maybe. Or maybe it's just still running........

      • I was smoking the "going for a funny post" weed. But it's true that baselayout doesn't include inetd or xinetd, and installing a net-aware server like apache does not depend on inetd unless you include that as a USE flag.

        Personally I'm fine with that because I'd rather have apache, etc., listening themselves on the port then introduce an extra layer that will one day break. YMMV.

  • Oh please! Am I the only one who thinks it's a carbon copy of Gentoo 2005.9.9a?

    And you guys criticize Microsoft for not innovating!
  • I see Gentoo being picked up by a lot of people that have otherwise avoided it before!

    I'm currently dual booting gentoo 2005.1 (amd64) and Suse 10 (x86)
    Suse 10 is buggy but there are some 32bit only apps I'm stuck with,
    like the proprietary drivers for my very expensive scanner, hence the dual booting.

    I'll be emerging 2006.0 overnight and we'll see what new goodies we get.
    Personally I'm extremely disappointed that the still are stuck on KDE 3.4
    WTF is up with that? They claim 3.5 isn't stable yet. What are
    • 3.5.1 is in the portage tree but it is masked with ~x86.

      If you want to use it do:
      # ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~x86" emerge kdesktop
      • Thanks!
        I'm not 100% Gentoo literate quite yet.
        I still struggle with it. I've gotten to be very spoiled with Suse.
        I've been on Suse about 2 years now and it's really isolated me from the
        nuts and bolts of Linux. Suse and Yast has been like having training wheels on a tricycle.

        • There's a package called 'porthole' which serves as a useful GUI frontend for portage. Just run it as root, and your emerges will be much easier. It doesn't do everything (i.e., in order to do an 'emerge --resume --skipfirst' ) you have to choose 'Run Custom Command' from the menubar... BUT it's a lifesaver when you're compiling packages with lots of USE flags (mplayer, anyone?). Rather than having to memorize or note down all your options, it presents you with a dropdown list of all the available versions,
          • I would actually suggest, as GP is a KDE user, Kuroo [gentoo.org]. It is like Porthole, but for KDE. I haven't tried it myself and it is rather new but looks rather promising. I still prefer emerge via the command line though.
      • If you use accept keywords on the command line you are making gentoo a lot harder that it should be. I suggest you learn to use /etc/portage/package.* immediately or you will break your system.
        • Funny, I've never "broken my system" by using ACCEPT_KEYWORDS on the command line, and I do it quite frequently.

          That said, /etc/portage/package.* is highly useful for the obnoxious stuff (like gnome releases)...

          --S
    • Part of the reason why Gentoo is so great is that you're not really running Gentoo 2005.1 -- you installed with the 2005.1 livecd, but if you've been upgrading your packages (like portage, baselayout) on a regular basis then your system is already setup like a brand new 2006.0 install would be. So upgrading to 2006.0 doesn't make sense. -coshx

      • This isn't quite true. 2006.0 has a new profile, with different default USE flags. To upgrade fully, you need to link /etc/make.profile to the appropriate location (for me it's ../usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/x86/2006.0/ ) . Then emerge sync and emerge --newuse world to rebuild any packages that the new USE flags change. Chances are, you'll be rebuilding glibc, as one of the new defaults for 2006.0 is nptl (native POSIX threads).

        • Funny you should mention this just as I'm reading http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gentoo-upgrading.xml [gentoo.org]. This just doesn't feel like it's the right way to do things - I upgraded portage yesterday, and there was no mention of changing to the new profile. Are there any messages when your profile becomes deprecated?

          -coshx
          • Yeah, when you do an emerge it'll detect that the old profile has been deprecated and give you explicit instructions for updating to the new one.
    • Gentoo's packages that are marked ~ (testing) are just as stable as something in Debian unstable (or is it testing? I keep getting those mixed up). Anyway, it should be fine to emerge 3.5. It's the ones marked hard masked that they don't want you trying yet.
      • Agreed. I'd add a cautionary note: don't try using "soft masked" packages on non-mainstream hardware or with really odd system configurations, unless you feel like risking crashes and corrupt data. As I understand it, soft masking usually means that they have tested it on the more common systems, but haven't gotten full coverage yet.
      • Yep, but once you emerge masked packages, you have to be careful with emerge --update world, otherwise you'll revert to the last stable version. You have to include the --upgradeonly option on all your emerges, even though it's marked 'deprecated'. This is the one feature in Gentoo that disappoints me -- it should be able to figure out that you've chosen to install a pre-stable package, and not auto-revert you.
        • That's what the file /etc/portage/package.keywords is for. Here's an excerpt from mine:

          www-client/mozilla-firefox ~x86
          dev-libs/nss ~x86

          I wanted the ~x86 version of firefox because it was taking too #@%! long for 1.5 to be stable. So I put it in there with the ~x86 keyword. I also had to add nss ~x86 because firefox testing depends on nss testing. If you need to add another ~x86 package for a dependency, it will tell you about it when you try to emerge something.

          You should never, never, NEVER use --upgra
          • You probably know this, but the GP poster probably doesn't since he didn't know about /etc/portage/package.keywords to begin with

            In addition to
            "some-category/package ~x86" to unmask all ~x86 versions of the package, you can use

            "=some-category/package-x.y.z ~x86" to unmask just one version. i.e. if you want a more recent version of a package to get Some Nifty New Feature you really want, but don't always want that package to be on the bleeding edge. You can also use , and a few other things.

            For example, yo
    • Personally I'm extremely disappointed that the still are stuck on KDE 3.4 WTF is up with that? They claim 3.5 isn't stable yet. What are they smoking? I've been using KDE 3.5 on my Suse since last year. Come on Gentoo, get with the program!

      I have been using KDE 3.5 on my box (gentoo of course) since it came out, and it seems to me to be quite stable now, but the ebuild maintainers for KDE are waiting. Who can blame them. KDE is very large by anyone's standard, and can hardly be said that all the bugs ar

    • Tried VueScan? [hamrick.com]
  • In case you didn't catch it, it's NOT the first ever Gentoo LiveCD; it's the first ever Gentoo LiveCD with an installer (GUI to boot).
  • Official Gentoo-Linux-Zealot translator-o-matic
    NetBSD rules! Anyway, Gentoo Linux is an interesting new distribution with some great features. Unfortunately, it has attracted a large number of clueless wannabes who absolutely MUST advocate Gentoo at every opportunity. Let's look at the language of these zealots, and find out what it really means...

    "Gentoo makes me so much more productive."
    "Although I can't use the box at the moment because it's compiling something, as it will be for the next five days, it
    • I'm too stupid to understand that circular dependencies can be resolved by specifying BOTH .rpms together on the command line

      ooh, so THAT's how it's done. thankyou. i tried reading "man rpm" a few dozen times but i'm afraid i got brainfried.. so now i install everything using "fetch", "tar -zxvf" and "make install". maybe i'll try RPM again now.
    • Q. What's one of the most effective known ways of determining whether or not a given software application, Linux distribution, or other form of technology or philosophy is unusually useful, valid, or valuable?

      A. If said item does have an abnormally high degree of worth, (but such worth is not immediately apparent to nanoscopic minds) chances are it will be derided by some conformist, karma-chasing dipshit on Slashdot. It is safe to assume in many cases (particularly when relating to Linux distributions) tha

    • "Gentoo makes me so much more productive."
      Gentoo makes my clusters easy to manage. less time spent compiling custom bio apps means more time I get to spend doing real work.

      "Gentoo is more in the spirit of open source!"
      Seeing as how I have contributed many bug fixxes and new package builds to the gentoo portage tree without actually coding a single line I would say that I _AM_ involved. There are many others like me.

      "Heh, my system is soooo much faster after installing Gentoo."
      Benchmarks don't l

    • "Major highlights in the release include KDE 3.4.3, GNOME 2.12.2, XFCE 4.2.2, GCC 3.4.4 and a 2.6.15 kernel."

      fedore core 5 will be kde 3.5, gnome 2.14, gcc 4.1, kernel 2.6.16, and xfce who cares.

      Not that any of those versions are officially out yet. I know that gentoo guys are frequently the first to patch some beta version of code to a beta version of gcc on 64bits quickly, but I'm surprised their release is so outdated. Being on those older versions doesn't make the software more stable (bug free) or th
      • Those versions are the "stable" versions of the software. If you want newer than that all that you need to do is unmask the packages and emerge them. Given that you're going to download and compile them anyways with Gentoo, unmasking them is not a big deal.

        While Gentoo does have "versions", it's not really like most distro's. Most people running a Gentoo system will never have to upgrade because as they do their emerges over time the system slowly morphs from one Gentoo version to the next (and hits many
    • "Although I can't use the box at the moment because it's compiling something..."

      Uh, what kind of computer is unusable when compiling?

      Come on, if you're going to make a joke at least make sense :p

  • link to the Release Engineering page for 2006.0 (Score:3, Informative)

    by toby ( 759 ) * on Tuesday February 28, 2006 @12:05AM (#14814413) Homepage Journal
    2006.0 [gentoo.org].

    Any non-trivial instructions for migrating from current profile should appear here, according to the upgrading guide [gentoo.org].

    • As far as I can tell, a 2005.0 or 2005.1 system that's up to date isn't going to see any significant changes with 2006.0. They've been good about not having changes be incompatible, so old profiles have only minimal effects. (In fact, it's been ages since they had any major upheavals in profiles, aside from needing a new version of portage to handle the new profile files themselves, which isn't even all that recent.)

  • 1. Gentoo is not about speed.

    You may get a slight speed increase in your system when you switch to gentoo - maybe even a significant one, but this will be due to a number of factors including fewer daemons running by default than other systems and USE variables ensuriung that large staticly linked binaries only contain the features you asked for and not all the available features. It doesn't realy have much to do with the fact that you compiled it yourself using optimised code settings, all the binary di


    • 2. Stage1 does not make you more l337

      Seriously, the only reason to do a stage 1 install is if you are building a system on an architecture for which gentoo has not been built before or if you want to try out some realy odd compile options (believe me, you don't unless you're a gentoo developer or terminaly curious). How do you think the stage 3 files are produced? might it be by running the exact same scripts that you run when you do a stage 1 install?

      Well the thing is a lot of people who choose Gentoo like
      • Oh, I play with different compile flags all the time ... for individual packages, not for the entire goddamned base system - and I think that for the vast majority of Gentoo users this will also apply.



        The people who do want to change build options for the entire base system during instalation fall into the terminaly curious category, and if they aren't gentoo developers yet they realy ought to be :)

  • "...first ever Gentoo Linux LiveCD."

    The joke writes itself!

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