PlayStation 3 Delayed, Over $800? 487
AWhiteFlame writes "Cnet is reporting that a research report issued by Merrill Lynch suggests that the Sony PlayStation 3's American release may be postponed until 2007. From the article: 'The analyst firm proposed the idea that high costs and Sony's decision to use an 'ambitious new processor architecture--the Cell' is making it look like the company might not be able to meet its goal of getting the PS3 out in the U.S. this year.' Sony did not immediately respond to a request for comment." The official report (pdf) would also seem to indicate that the console will be somewhere in the neighborhood of $900 when it launches.
Before we all go nuts... (Score:5, Informative)
Having read the pdf file, the analysis seems quite reasonable, and well considered, and utltimately quite persuasive. Whether it persuades you is a different matter, but before you dismiss the report out of hand, remember that the authors spend a lot of time trying to understand and predict what Sony is going to do, and therefore are better qualified than most third parties to reach conlcusions about slippages and prices.
Price (Score:3, Informative)
Somewhere in the neighborhood of $900 to build when it launches.
I doubt that price; Sony invested in IBMs Cell fab (Score:5, Informative)
Attention Zonk: Summary is misleading (Score:1, Informative)
the retail price.
The BOM is figuring $350 for the BluRay drive,
and $230 for the Cell processor.
Re:This sounds... (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Apple to Sony? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:$900 Console? (Score:3, Informative)
Gotta say: Microsoft is already in the game and taking marketshare. Sony better act quickly, or they're gonna lose this round.
Urban legend (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Amazing (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Obligatory RTFA. (Score:5, Informative)
Then someone, probably many someones, are smoking crack.
Explain to me how Sony is going to make up $400 per console on average if it costs them $900 and they sell for $500? A loss leader is not some magical thing where you sell a $900 item for half price and make a profit. The way it works is that you somehow manage to make more than the cost of the item through some other kind of sales. My question to you is: give me some kind of business model where Sony is going to make $400 bucks per console off some other kind of sales? Put another way, that's about 7 games. If the games cost nothing to make and Sony took home 100% of the profit, they'd have to sell 7 games for each console to break even.
Sony is participating in a mature business where it is the market leader. Market leaders don't give away very much in order to gain market share, because they already have market share. They're in the business to make a profit. They may, in fact make more of a profit off blades than razors, but they won't give away a razor that costs them more than they can make in blades.
That said, TFA is counting costs from a place that is not based in reality. As the IP owner and manufacturer of the Blue-Ray drive, it will not cost Sony anywhere clos to $350 to manufacture a drive and put itinto a Playstation. Their R&D and manufacturing facilities costs can not be put into a per-unit cost in the same way as if they were buying the drives from Toshiba. You can make any kind of argument you want here about 3-year right-offs and the like, but the fact is that those dollars are in reallity going into a whole industy and not just the PS3. Claiming the Blue-Ray drive as a $350 manufacturing cost of the PS3 is like claiming it costs $350 per unit to manufacture Windows Vista. You may be able to cook the numbers that way, but that kind of per-unit cost just isn't relevant to this particular kind of manufacturing.
MOD PARENT UP +5 (Score:2, Informative)
Re:I doubt that price; Sony invested in IBMs Cell (Score:4, Informative)
There are all kinds of things Cell could be used in. Note that a radiology workstation currently is usually a PC, often running Linux with some badly designed software on it that usually costs upwards of $100,000. LOTS of margin.
Out Of Order Overrated (Score:3, Informative)
And finally you have the PPE, a basic PPC with the out of order execution unit hacked away yet keeping the traditional VMX (Altivec) unit. Why didn't they toss the VMX unit and try to keep OOE?
Because out-of-order execution will ultimately result in instructions being reordered the same way each time. If an optimizer can predict this reordering, such as through a hardware simulation, then it can save this order and generate object files that are already in an optimal order. As I understand it, out-of-order is primarily intended to squeeze out a bit more performance when running programs that were compiled for a different microarchitecture (e.g. 486 1-pipe vs. Pentium 1 UV vs. Pentium 2/3/M 4-1-1 rule vs. the mess that is Pentium 4).
Re:I doubt that price; Sony invested in IBMs Cell (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Obligatory RTFA. (Score:3, Informative)
You seriously think most people have 30+ games for their game consoles?
You assume people buy games throughout the life of a console (most don't after the first year or 2), that they buy games on a regular basis (most people buy a game or 2 a year TOPS after the first year), and that "a game every other month" is normal purchasing.
"Hardcore" refers to those gamers who buy excessive games in comparison to the general public. Like more than 3 times the avergae number of games. That's how it's hardcore.
Mod Parent Down! (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Apple to Sony? (Score:3, Informative)
I am (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Meh (Score:3, Informative)
I'd be willing to bet that most 360s aren't even connected to a network. The 360 works fine without Live - stop spreading FUD.