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MacBook Pros Upgraded and Shipped 467

Posted by CmdrTaco
from the still-waiting-for-wow-benchmarks dept.
Moby Cock writes "Apple Insider is reporting that Apple has started shipping the new MacBook Pro with an upgrade to the CPU clock speed. The two models now sport 1.83 GHz and 2.0 GHz Core Duos (up from 1.67 GHz and 1.83 GHz). A 2.16 GHz upgrade is also available. The price point remains the same." Dear Apple: Slashdot needs to review 5 of these indefinitely. Thank you XOXO ;) Seriously, i'm waiting for someone to give good benchmarks on these- especially testing for Warcraft. Now that it has a new Universal Binary I can't wait to see how it holds up against a modern windows machine.
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MacBook Pros Upgraded and Shipped

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  • Still Rev 0. (Score:2, Insightful)

    by jellomizer (103300) * on Tuesday February 14, 2006 @10:17AM (#14715919)
    It is still rev 0. Ill personally wait for Apple and Intel to get the major kinks out of their perspective products. Mabey next year. But still I am glad the CPU speed it is shipping is a little higher then advertised becaues other laptops were shipping now with the faster chip.
  • Re:MacBook (Score:3, Insightful)

    by illtron (722358) on Tuesday February 14, 2006 @10:23AM (#14715978) Homepage Journal
    Why unbundle Safari? Are you saying they shouldn't ship it with their machines and the OS? Uhhhhhh, why? It's not tied into the OS in any way like IE on Windows, and you're free to use Firefox, Camino, Opera or any other browser.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 14, 2006 @10:26AM (#14716003)
    More hardware, more options. Especially if you talk price-matching, we know MacBooks aren't exactly cheap.

    Yeah, because I have so many options for video when spec'ing out my Dell laptop.

    Oh, wait, you wanted to compare a laptop to your gaming machine with it's $500 video card?

    Sure. That makes sense.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 14, 2006 @10:29AM (#14716037)
    Not if they're pro laptops vs consumer desktops
  • by DenDave (700621) * on Tuesday February 14, 2006 @10:31AM (#14716048)
    Move to Europe, the local sites have (at time of writing) not upgraded the MacBook....

  • Battery life? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by merdaccia (695940) on Tuesday February 14, 2006 @10:33AM (#14716060)

    Does anyone have any idea what the battery life of these things are? It was previously unannounced because they were still testing pre-shipping versions. Well, now they're shipping. And the only thing on the technical specs [apple.com] page is a footnote that says

    1. Battery life depends on configuration and use.

    Yeah, that helps.

  • Re:MacBook (Score:4, Insightful)

    by CastrTroy (595695) on Tuesday February 14, 2006 @10:33AM (#14716064) Homepage
    Just because the browser comes pre-installed doesn't mean that it's bundled quite the way IE is. You can still remove it, and install any other browser you want. Most Linux distros by default will install a browser too. Try installing KDE without Konquerer. I'm pretty sure it isn't possible.
  • by Pao|o (92817) on Tuesday February 14, 2006 @10:35AM (#14716089)
    If it was a PowerPC-based Mac with internals done by PowerPC-partner then I'd wait. Seeming this is designed by Intel with way way more in debt experience making personal computers I wouldnt worry as much. The external casing is still basically a tried & tested Apple Albook so I wouldnt worry too much.

    If you're a pro user with a need for native Adobe & Macromedia apps then I'd wait for the universal binaries that are expected late this year or 2008. By that time OS X 10.5 Leopard is expected to be out.
  • Re:Dual boot (Score:5, Insightful)

    by _Pablo (126574) on Tuesday February 14, 2006 @10:40AM (#14716126)
    Well Windows Vista setup boots, but there is no graphics driver for the UGA BIOS so you don't see anything - but remember the keypresses to exit Vista setup and Robert is your mothers brother the computer reboots.

    So it seems the like "Running Windows natively" problem has become one of getting Windows drivers for the Mac hardware which given most of it is now Intel standard stuff means we are really waiting for Apple or Microsoft (or perhaps ATI) to release that driver or for someone to hack the Windows driver to work with the Mac BIOSed X1600s.
  • by jcr (53032) <.jcr. .at. .mac.com.> on Tuesday February 14, 2006 @10:42AM (#14716143) Journal
    Wait for VPC or VMWare. Letting Windows boot your hardware is just begging for a world of pain.

    -jcr
  • by JoeCommodore (567479) <larry@portcommodore.com> on Tuesday February 14, 2006 @10:42AM (#14716144) Homepage
    As a long-time Mac user (with Macs at work) I am more interested in learning what doesn't work on the new Intel Macs than what does.

    So far Classic is a dead issue (pun intended, but unfortunate for us and Apple) and I'm sure there will be more.

    To me it's just another cycle of waiting (hoping) vendors update thier products (as well as making the upgrades affordable) or manufacturers bother to re-code thier device drivers to work on yet anothewr new Apple platform.

  • by Bazzalisk (869812) on Tuesday February 14, 2006 @10:43AM (#14716149) Homepage
    Yes we know that macbooks aren't exactly cheap ... and nor are gaming capable PC laptops -- they come out quite comparable pricewise. You certainly can't buy a PC laptop with all of the features of the MacBook for much less than the MacBook costs.
  • by Golias (176380) on Tuesday February 14, 2006 @10:43AM (#14716153)
    So my question is, why should I switch?

    My question is, why should we care?

    If you're actually happy with your Windows box, good for you. Why even post in this thread?
  • by Jeffrey Baker (6191) on Tuesday February 14, 2006 @10:58AM (#14716280)
    What's great about the MacBook again? It it not compatible with PC Cards, and there are zero available peripherals for its ExpressCard/34 slot. It has no way to read a CompactFlash card except for a USB reader. It has no modem, except for a USB modem. It has no GPRS/EDGE/EVDO/1xRTT wireless WAN card, and no slot for adding one. It has no SmartCard reader. The battery life, although unannounced, is expected to be average.

    As far as I can tell, the MacBook lacks any kind of feature that sets it apart, other than running MacOS X. The Acer TravelMate, Ferrari series and the Thinkpad X series seem to be much better computers if you don't need MacOS X.

    I'm planning to stay with my 6-year-old PowerBook G3 until Apple releases a computer that's somewhere near as useful.
  • Re:MacBook (Score:3, Insightful)

    by CastrTroy (595695) on Tuesday February 14, 2006 @10:59AM (#14716295) Homepage
    But my point still stands. How many parts of KDE become unusable once you remove Konquerer? The browser/ HTML rendering engine is an important part of any modern Desktop. The real question is, how deep does the browser tie into the actual OS/Kernel? If the browser is just a component that lets you render HTML/CSS/JS, then it's probably doing just what a browser is supposed to do. Certain linux packages require certain desktop libraries (KDE,Gnome) to be installed in order to function. IE is a different beast altogether because it goes much deeper than the application level, right into the OS level causing lots of security problems.
  • by vertinox (846076) on Tuesday February 14, 2006 @11:10AM (#14716378)
    A modern Windows machine will always outperform a MacBook in games. More hardware, more options.

    Hrm... But aren't they all using the same hard ware? I mean these are all laptops right? They are using Intel and then maybe ATI or nVidia? Hardware is not different.

    Unless you count AMD.
  • by VisiX (765225) on Tuesday February 14, 2006 @11:10AM (#14716381)
    So you are spending close to $2000 so you can have slightly better graphics in WarCraft?

    So you are spending close to $2000 so you can have the same graphics in your internet/email clients?

    Most people I know could be using a computer made 10 years ago with no problems at all, at least this guy needs the power for something. You should be picking on the people buying $2000 computers to play solitaire. I believe you can get a high quality deck of cards for something like $3.
  • by Silvers (196372) on Tuesday February 14, 2006 @11:13AM (#14716409)
    Probably trying to clean out inventory.
  • by AugstWest (79042) on Tuesday February 14, 2006 @11:14AM (#14716415)
    Plus, Darwine's getting to be very close to a stable Universal Binary release, and all the non-gaming apps should be workable.
  • Re:Still Rev 0. (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Mikey-San (582838) on Tuesday February 14, 2006 @11:20AM (#14716489) Homepage Journal
    Revision 0, except that they kept the majority of the major form factor improvements from the last several years of PowerBook G4 design and engineering.

    This isn't just a "first rev" like so many Mac users seem to think. Honestly, Apple did a really smart thing by keeping the previous form factor: it effectively means that the new-architecture notebooks inherit a huge amount of engineering from their predecessors.
  • by Tycho (11893) on Tuesday February 14, 2006 @11:21AM (#14716492)
    Hey now be careful, some Macs play the sound of breaking glass when the machine doesn't POST properly. Though I liked the sound of the car crash on the first generation PowerMacs when the machine would not POST. IIRC all of the Blue and White G3 Macs and newer Macs have boring, but actually useful beeps when the machine can't POST.
  • Re:Why, kiddies? (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 14, 2006 @11:31AM (#14716582)
    No, you're not alone. There are plenty of idiots who see hipocricy in the fact that a diverse community of thousands of people can contain many different viewpoints.

    Also, I've only noticed a small minority of comments in this discussion talking about XP. It's hardly characteristic of the entire discussion.
  • Re:Still Rev 0. (Score:2, Insightful)

    by I Like Pudding (323363) on Tuesday February 14, 2006 @11:52AM (#14716773)
    New arch, new chip, new motherboard, but the case still looks the same so it will all work fine.

    Retard.

    (damn caps filter. YOU CANNOT SILENCE PROGRESS!!)
  • by Kadin2048 (468275) <slashdot.kadin@x[ ].net ['oxy' in gap]> on Tuesday February 14, 2006 @12:06PM (#14716906) Homepage Journal
    What's great about the MacBook again? It it not compatible with PC Cards,
    Very few people care. Even on Slashdot, when this subject came up last, seemingly only a small percentage of PB owners used the PC card slot to begin with; among PC users the most common use of the slot was for WLAN cards, which are built-in on the Mac. As for memory card readers, they are starting to come out already [gizmodo.com]. I think because of the small form factor, you're never going to see a CompactFlash one in there, but I think most people are fine with USB ones anyway -- I can't imagine that's a deal-breaker for very many people.

    It has no GPRS/EDGE/EVDO/1xRTT wireless WAN card, and no slot for adding one.
    This is a legitimate complaint for people that use WAN services, but the MacBook does have the ExpressCard slot, so this situation probably won't last very long. It's the usual early-adopter problem, but as Dell and HP have also said they're going to release ExpressCard notebooks soon, I think you're going to see WAN devices fairly quickly. (There are USB EVDO and WAN devices around also, although I don't know if they're officially supported -- although last time I checked, the PCMCIA EVDO cards weren't officially supported on anything but Windows, either.) I further suspect that most WAN users are business types, who are usually stuck with Windows anyway, so that like PC card slots generally, it's not a deal breaker for a very significant market.

    It has no SmartCard reader. The battery life, although unannounced, is expected to be average.
    I think the demand for SmartCard readers is very limited, also. At best, it's a niche market, especially on the Mac. Most people I know who use SmartCards, use them to access secure systems, which are almost universally PC-based. No big loss of market there. Plus, Apple has never supported SmartCards themselves -- if enough people want it, there will be a ExpressCard reader, but I wouldn't hold your breath (plus I'm not sure it would fit). Or use an external USB reader.

    As far as I can tell, the MacBook lacks any kind of feature that sets it apart, other than running MacOS X. The Acer TravelMate, Ferrari series and the Thinkpad X series seem to be much better computers if you don't need MacOS X.
    Mac OS X is the feature that sets it apart, at least from PC laptops. And it sets it apart far enough that there's not really a comparison -- people generally pick an OS first, and then pick hardware. This is especially true of Apple users; the fact that the Acer or IBM isn't a Mac puts them out of the competition from the very beginning.
    The thing that distinguises the MacBook from other Apple laptops is the software compatibility. It's not really practical to run some applications on a G3 or even G4, and also I think it's important not to underestimate the importance of people buying a fast computer simply because it's fast, and not for any real reason. Nobody wants to spend $2k for something that's not the best around, so perception is a large part of the sale.
    As for battery life, just from personal experience I think Apple will do well there. My old iBook still gets better battery life than my ThinkPad PC notebook which is brand new -- and the PC notebook runs at less than 50% of its normal processor speed when it's not on AC power. Apple's "average" battery life of 3-4 hours would be at the higher end of what I've been told is normal from many PC users, and confirmed from my own experience (I get roughly 90min or less of 'real world' usage out of mine).

    I do agree with your general analysis though, as someone who already has an existing Mac laptop. I'm not sure that Apple has created any gigantic reasons to upgrade to the MacBook right now, for anyone who's system is currently meeting their immediate needs. Which is good, considering that they've included some definite 'early adopter' technology in this system; this is the first machine in a new series, I don't think it's intended for everybody.
  • Verb tense (Score:3, Insightful)

    by richmaine (128733) on Tuesday February 14, 2006 @12:06PM (#14716907)
    I know it is a bit much to expect from a slashdot posting, but those of us who can read English learned long ago that there is a difference between "has started shipping", which is what the slashdot posting says, versus "will begin shipping", which is what the article actually says.

    Yes, the article said "this week", which is pretty soon. But I still maintain that there is a difference between the future an dthe past. Conventional of me, I know.
  • by Overly Critical Guy (663429) on Tuesday February 14, 2006 @12:26PM (#14717088)
    1.) Of course it deserves an article. Apple is shipping upgraded computer specs at no extra charge. Tell me the last time Dell did that.

    2.) If you don't like it, you didn't have to click "Read More," click "Reply," and actually type out a post.

    3.) The Apple-bashing price argument has been disproved time and time again.
  • by Kadin2048 (468275) <slashdot.kadin@x[ ].net ['oxy' in gap]> on Tuesday February 14, 2006 @12:43PM (#14717227) Homepage Journal
    Bravo -- you hit the nail on the head exactly.

    I think this pretty much sums up Apple's retail strategy completely.

    The closest they ever get to a "sale" (usually a bit before the holidays, another one over the summer) is that they'll up-spec the whole lineup by a certain amount. The beauty of this is that people generally don't see the price on the laptop they bought decreasing -- they usually don't bump the specs by so much at once that the middle-of-the-road system instantly becomes the $999 one, it happens gradually. Even though the different systems (Fast, Faster, Fastest) become more powerful over time, it avoids the feeling of being ripped off that's common to computer purchasers when they go online six months later and find out the system they purchased for $1k is now $600. You'll never see that on Apple's site: all you'll ever see are three systems for each model, and always at (about) the same three price points. They just become progressively better, not the same model becoming "cheaper." It's kind of a subtle psychological thing, but it works.

    It's also great because most people (most 'average consumers,' and definitely most parents who are buying a computer for a kid) pick out the price they're willing to pay FIRST, then choose specs. So they decide, "okay, I'll spend a grand on a laptop." And that's it -- aside from maybe a little upselling, that's what they're willing to pay. Very few people actually go out with an idea of the specifications of the computer they want to purchase (e.g. "I want a 1.2GHz system with 512MB RAM and a 80GB hard drive with WiFi."). Geeks may do that, but the majority of the people lined up at the Apple Store probably don't.

    I have a feeling that the strategy was one that they developed as a company after it became clear that they weren't going to win the megahertz war; you don't want people emphasizing specifications, you want them to associate the price directly with the product, and that product with the user experience. The hardware specs are details. They're nerdy. Ignore them. And people do -- happily.

    If you look at how Apple advertises its higher-end products (the Power Macs) you'll notice there's slightly more emphasis on specifications and customization, and less on price. But at the entry level, there are usually three price points, and three products: 'you pays your money and yous gets your computer.'
  • by MS-06FZ (832329) on Tuesday February 14, 2006 @12:54PM (#14717318) Homepage Journal
    Does anyone else here get the irony of /.-ers spending virtual lifetimes bashing 'Doze, hating every byte of M$ kruftware, and yearning for an environmental catastrophe in Redmond, then getting all excited about the potential of running XP on a new MacBook?

    Am I alone here when I utter a collossal WTF?


    Believe it or not, there are different kinds of people on Slashdot! Whoa!

    Some people don't like Microsoft. They probably still don't.

    Some people do like Microsoft, and take exception to the fact that they've decided to come to a place where a lot of people don't. They'll post all about how persecuted they are and engage in passive-agressive discussion of the moderation system like "You are going to mod me down for this, I know it! Go ahead and prove me wrong unless you really are a bunch of elitist jerks." They will probably like to boot whatever they like on the Mac(Power)Book.

    Some people don't care. They just want to run what they want to run on their hardware of choice. They'd like to know that Windows will run so that they can run whatever they want to run. After all, if Windows will run on it then most likely anything else will.

    I know you all are going to mod me down for this, go ahead and prove me wrong unless you really are a bunch of moderators who think that this post doesn't merit a high score based on the quality of its content! Ha! So there.
  • by Echnin (607099) <p3s46f102@NoSpAM.sneakemail.com> on Tuesday February 14, 2006 @01:05PM (#14717398) Homepage
    Wow, being upgraded from 1.83 GHz to 2.0 GHz for free constitutes being "screwed" now. That's some way to twist it!
  • by mac8500 (888131) on Tuesday February 14, 2006 @01:12PM (#14717447)
    Oh my you are right. It is an easy choice. Thanks for the info!!!

    Now if i can just find out why my WoW game wont load on the PS2.... Might have to call in support. You think its a driver issue?
  • Re:WoW (Score:3, Insightful)

    by abes (82351) on Tuesday February 14, 2006 @01:52PM (#14717810) Homepage
    Is the glass half full or half empty? People have already paid (including me) for their Macbooks, not to mention the Macbooks are majorly backordered (if you didn't order early, there is close to a month waiting period). At least from my POV, Apple doesn't gain much from bumping up the speeds (at least sales-wise short term) except making their customers happy. Which, could very well increase their sales long term.

    What is the price of something other than what someone is willing to pay for it? I was willing to pay the set price for the 1.8GHz, so I'm counting it as a free upgrade.
  • GHz Race (Score:2, Insightful)

    by eDavidLu (825600) on Tuesday February 14, 2006 @01:55PM (#14717868)
    With the Intel-based Macs, I wonder if Apple will feel the pressure to keep up the GHz race with other PCs. If so, does that mean an updated CPU every few months?

    Apple could dodge the GHz number when they're on the PowerPC. That's harder to do now.
  • by piecewise (169377) on Tuesday February 14, 2006 @10:53PM (#14722011) Journal
    I ordered a MacBook Pro on January 10th. I ordered the top of the line (at that point) standard configuration. My first ship date was Feb. 15. My next ship date was Feb. 28. Today, I received confirmation that my NEW order date would be March 3.

    Needless to say, I'm livid with Apple. I cancelled my order. I then called my local Apple Store (Newark, DE). They said they would be receiving MBPros next week.

    In other words, Apple's priority is to ship MacBook Pros to people who have not even purchased them yet, rather than those who have been waiting for what will be nearly two months.

    As a twenty-year Apple customer, I am ticked to say the least.

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