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Test for String Theory Developed 155

inexion writes "PhyOrg is reporting that SLAC (Stanford Linear Accelerator Center) scientists have found a way to test the revolutionary theory, which posits that there are 10 or 11 dimensions in our universe. This past December, Joanne Hewett, Thomas Rizzo, and student Ben Lillie published an article in Physical Review Letters which shows theoretically how to measure the number of dimensions that comprise the universe. By determining how many dimensions exist, Hewett and Rizzo hope to either confirm or repudiate string theory under specific conditions which would consist of creating and examining 'micro-black holes', which could be formed by smashing two high energy protons together. Using the predicted decay properties of the emitted neutrinos, Hewett and Rizzo solved equations to find that our universe may have more than 10 or 11 dimensions -- too many dimensions to be explained by string theory."
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Test for String Theory Developed

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  • by kebes ( 861706 ) on Wednesday February 08, 2006 @11:16PM (#14674709) Journal
    The reference for the actual scientific paper in question appears to be:
    "Black Holes in Many Dimensions at the CERN Large Hadron Collider: Testing Critical String Theory" JoAnne L. Hewett, Ben Lillie, and Thomas G. Rizzo Phys. Rev. Lett. 95, 261603 (2005) .

    For those with access to PRL, the doi for the paper is: 10.1103/PhysRevLett.95.261603 [doi.org]

    This is the abstract:
    We consider black hole production at the CERN Large Hadron Collider (LHC) in a generic scenario with many extra dimensions where the standard model fields are confined to a brane. With ~20 dimensions the hierarchy problem is shown to be naturally solved without the need for large compactification radii. We find that in such a scenario the properties of black holes can be used to determine the number of extra dimensions, n. In particular, we demonstrate that measurements of the decay distributions of such black holes at the LHC can determine if n is significantly larger than 6 or 7 with high confidence and thus can probe one of the critical properties of string theory compactifications.
    For those without access to PRL, you can view a different version of the manuscript on arXiv. [arxiv.org]

    My comments (with the usual disclaimer: while I am a scientist, I'm not a particle physicist/string theorist, so I would appreciate any corrections to what I say): This work appears significant. String theory is incredibly elegant and fits in very well with other (experimentally verified) theories (quantum field theory, etc.). However, what string theory has always lacked, is experimental backup. The fact that there may be a way to experimentally test one of its predictions/requirements (that of extra dimensions) is truly significant, and will allow these fundamental theories to be advanced way beyond their current speculative nature.

    As I understand it, one of the current "problems" in string theory is an over-abundance of theories. There are millions (perhaps even an infinite number) of theory-variants that are all consistent with the current string-theory formalism. Of course only one (or possibly zero) of the theories is right. An experimental test would (I hope!) help pick out which theory variant is the right one... or perhaps tell us that string theory is completely wrong! Either way it's a good thing for science and I look forward to this test being performed at the LHC.
  • by kebes ( 861706 ) on Wednesday February 08, 2006 @11:25PM (#14674747) Journal
    Hell, do we even have the capabilities to smash two high energy protons together?

    Well particle accelerators have been smashing high-energy protons together for a long time... but can we smash them hard enough to create micro-black-holes? No. ... not yet, anyways. But that's why the Large Hadron Collider [web.cern.ch] is being built! This is the frontier of particle physics.

    I'd be interested to know how they intend to measure the micro-black holes.

    The LHC has been in the works for a long time, and should come online sometime in 2007. This instrument will be able to probe these questions, and set limits on the possibility of micro-black hole production, as well as extra dimensions.
  • by kebes ( 861706 ) on Wednesday February 08, 2006 @11:45PM (#14674843) Journal
    All black holes emit Hawking radiation [wikipedia.org], which is essentially black-body radiation [wikipedia.org] (the object is trying to come into thermal equilibrium with the rest of the universe, so is emitting/absorbing radiation to do so). The origin of Hawking radiation is vacuum pair production [wikipedia.org], if anyone is interested. This radiation causes the black-hole to slowly "evaporate." The temperature (hence rate of evaporation) is inversely proportional to the black-hole mass (hence size).

    Micro-black-holes are (obviously) very small. Thus, they evaporate very, very quickly. In fact, they are well below the sustainable threshold, and will evaporate much faster than they accumulate new mass. Also note that these micro-black-holes have quite low mass, hence their graviational attraction is pretty much nill. They are "black holes" because their mass density is infinite, and they are thus a singularity, but nothing about "black holes" definitely implies "consumes matter indefinitely" (this only happens for black holes of sufficient size).

    So, no, there is no danger with micro-black-holes eating up the entire Earth. Yes, our current theories may be incorrent (you never know), but if micro-black-holes were able to grow without bound, then you'd expect the universe to be littered with black holes all over the place (which is not the case). Thus there's no reason to worry: the LHC will not gobble up the Earth.
  • by Sundroid ( 777083 ) on Wednesday February 08, 2006 @11:46PM (#14674850) Homepage
    From Wikipedia: "String theory is a model of fundamental physics whose building blocks are one-dimensional extended objects (strings) rather than the zero-dimensional points (particles) that are the basis of the Standard Model of particle physics..."

    Here is the article:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/String_theory [wikipedia.org]
  • by Sevaur ( 780102 ) on Thursday February 09, 2006 @12:15AM (#14674943)
    Peter Woit, a critic of string theory, points out some of the misleading bits in this article on his blog, "Not Even Wrong: http://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress [columbia.edu] (scroll down for it). A brief discussion of why this isn't quite as exciting as it may sound.

    JoAnne Hewett (one of the original authors) also comments in the blog, saying that the journalists tried to make the work a little more accessible by suppressing important details: As for the headline that is blazened on the SLAC home page - I saw it for the first time when someone drew my attention to it. I knew it was going to cause headaches...

    So while this may be solid work, it doesn't seem quite so sexy as it has been made out to be...
  • by Ruie ( 30480 ) on Thursday February 09, 2006 @02:00AM (#14675390) Homepage
    In addition one should not forget that Earth atmosphere gets routinely bombarded by cosmic rays - some of which are very fast protons, much faster than what we can create in the best colliders.

    So if there was a way to create an indefinitely growing black hole with particle collisions this would have happened over the millions of years that Earth has been around.

  • by qeveren ( 318805 ) on Thursday February 09, 2006 @02:04AM (#14675400)
    The energies of naturally-occurring cosmic rays far exceed those of our most powerful accelerator experiments on a routine basis. Anything we do in a particle collision experiment has already happened uncounted times in nature.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 09, 2006 @10:08AM (#14676652)
    They have indeed studied this intensely, although happily for us in this case it boils down to one entirely comprehensible sentence:
    The accelerator won't be doing anything that hasn't already happened many, many more times in the interaction with cosmic rays (natural accelerated particles) in our atmosphere, therefore we're not going to destroy the Earth.

    And as an environmentalist, I have to come out as being against destroying the Earth.
  • Answer: probably not (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 09, 2006 @11:12AM (#14677177)
    Most string theorists do not believe that string theory will resolve any of the interpretational questions of quantum mechanics. The term "theory of everything" merely means that it incorporates all the known forces, not that it answers all foundational questions in physics. String theory applies standard quantization methods, just to strings instead of particles. As such, it has all of the interpretational problems of ordinary quantum mechanics. It's possible that string theory will teach us new about quantum theory, but as of yet, there is no strong indication that it will.
  • by Dan Hayes ( 212400 ) on Thursday February 09, 2006 @01:15PM (#14678835)
    No. Inflation is caused by the decay of a scalar field which goes from a higher energy state to a lower one... this releases vast amounts of energy which drives inflation. I think this field is the Higgs field, which gives particles their mass.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 09, 2006 @03:14PM (#14680200)
    Well, it seems like, as one of the authors of this paper, a few comments are in order.

    The main point is that there are many "ifs", "ands", and "buts" in the paper that did not make it into the news release. Essentially what we showed was that, in a very special set of circumstances it is possible to make a measurement at the LHC which will could possibly determine the number of extra dimensions. If that can be done, then the result will be very important to understanding string theory, since the number of dimensions plays an important role in that theory. It certainly can not rule out string theory. We think it's an important and interesting piece of work, but it isn't a definitive "test" of string theory, as the headline suggests.

    Here is a comment JoAnne left on Peter Woit's blog when this showed up there, and the complaint was raised that the story sounded over-hyped:

    Anybody who has ever spoken to reporters understands that what generally comes out in print basically does not resemble, in any way, your conversation with the reporter. Tom Rizzo and I spent about an hour with the reporter, explaining all the and's, if's, and but's of our analysis. None of which were included in the first draft of the story. We tried hard to clarify the description of our work in the story, and ended up with the simple asterisk "under certain conditions." And, to be fair, we were told that this story was intended for the general audience at SLAC, including admins, technicians, cafeteria workers, etc, and thus all of the details simply could not be explained. As for the headline that is blazened on the SLAC home page - I saw it for the first time when someone drew my attention to it. I knew it was going to cause headaches....

    I've also replaced the arxive version with the published version: http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-ph/0503178 [arxiv.org], so both versions should now be the same.

    Ben Lillie

  • by joahewett ( 953232 ) on Thursday February 09, 2006 @04:19PM (#14680931)
    Hello - this is my work. The results of the paper have been blown out of proportion all over the web, and I am quite upset about that. However, the results are honest and credible within the model they pertain to. Our statistical calculation is not an "estimate" as you claim, but is the result of a sophisticated Monte Carlo simulation of the process as it appears in the detector at the LHC. Like it or not, this is a 5 sigma measurement at the LHC.
  • Mod parent up (Score:3, Informative)

    by PylonHead ( 61401 ) on Thursday February 09, 2006 @04:59PM (#14681364) Homepage Journal
    He's the paper's author, and he's modded at one right now.

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