DVD Truce Between Blu-Ray and HD-DVD? 255
An anonymous reader writes " Reuters is reporting that Toshiba and Sony are in talks about reconciling the two next-generation DVD formats. Ideas floated in the article include a unified DVD arch which could use "Blu-ray's disc structure and HD DVD software technology" (Sony's idea) or "HD DVD disc structure and employing Sony's multi-layer data-recording technology" (Toshiba's idea)"
Does format matter? (Score:5, Insightful)
I didn't realize the hard drive had to be made to be compatible. I guess speed could somehow come into play, but no, never mind, they don't know what they are talking about.
"It could take both camps some time to develop products based on a new standard, which leaves the risk of development delays for Sony's next-generation game console," Goldman Sachs analyst Yuji Fujimori wrote in a note to clients.
Does this really matter? Couldn't Sony still release their next PlayStation with BlueRay discs as their format? I mean, they did use UMD for the PSP, and they isn't a common format. If you know more about this let me know, but this to me would mean it could prevent more illegal copying of game discs.
smart move (Score:5, Insightful)
not to mention the COST of bluray media...yeouch.
Are we learning yet? (Score:5, Insightful)
Without standards, there's no volume.
Too late? (Score:5, Insightful)
Sort out the details
Get out a new spec
Prototypes
Verification
etc. etc.
All before the impending releases of if nothing else the PS3 and XBox2, never mind the PC & TV players?
Why do I get the feeling that this is a token gesture never intended to resolve the disputes, but instead to allow them to look back later and say "well we TRIED to get a common format but everyone else was in too much of a hurry!" If they were really serious about a common format, they would have done it long before now.
Deceipt at it's best!
Isn't this collusion? (Score:5, Insightful)
Someone please explain why it's not, I really would appreciate it (not kidding here, genuinely cuious).
The best hybrid (Score:2, Insightful)
Lets have one technology and an agreed royalty share - an effective buy-out. At least this way it will save millions in marketing in a format war, and both groups get a degree of guarenteed success.
and more importantly will allow me to enjoy the format sooner as i won't have to wait for winner.
Wasted R&D? (Score:5, Insightful)
A lot of R&D is failing and figuring out why.
It's not like we're talking about Xerox PARC, where Corporate wasted the opporunity to commercialize the wonderful things which were developed. A compromise on the new DVD format will still bring both companies/consortia licensing revenue.
Which, of course, begs the obvious question -- if they're both contributing IP, will they both be charging royalties and price the technology too high?
Re:Does format matter? (Score:3, Insightful)
I didn't realize the hard drive had to be made to be compatible. I guess speed could somehow come into play, but no, never mind, they don't know what they are talking about.
Since when does that stop anyone from doing a thorough analysis? Unless they're implying, to allow PC's to have a DVD drive would require the installation, on the HD, of some DRM thingy, which would sit not at all well with myself or pretty much anyone else who understands the implication.
Not in "a few years". (Score:3, Insightful)
Better solution. (Score:1, Insightful)
i'm betting THAT one would be accepted by everyone within minutes.
Re:They're wasting their time (Score:5, Insightful)
With streaming media, it seems likely that we'd see a `pay-per-view' set-up. Besides that, what about out-of-print movies? If I buy a DVD and the manufacturer stops printing those DVDs, I can still watch it -- but what if I want to stream a DVD no one wants to host? We could lose a lot of important movies this way.
Not in this lifetime (Score:5, Insightful)
If they want to charge you a lot for it, they still will. You erally think the scum will say "oh, since it all fits on one disc now instead of 4 saving us $0.40, we'll only charge you $20 instead of $100?"
HAHAHAHAHA! Not likely. Saddam becoming the next Pope was a much safer bet than that. Reality is that what you'll hear from their mouths is "BluHDRayDVD is 100x better, so we'll charge you 2x as much. You win by a factor of 50, aren't we kind?"
Re:Too late? (Score:3, Insightful)
Of course, given that the XBox 2 will begin its lifespan with multiple versions (with hard drive and without) and Sony chose a new CEO from the evil^Wmusic side of the business while simultaneously demoting Kutaragi, it's possible that later packages (for XBox) or corporate skulduggery (for PS) could lead to a change---this change would just, in either case, be a poor business decision.
Re:This is not collusion (Score:3, Insightful)
Right. The first step is to hammer out the details of the DVD format.
Fixing the prices on the DVDs will have to wait until next year.
online content (Score:4, Insightful)
1) He who controls where the content or apps are stored, controls YOU.
2) Your connetion (being up or down, or slow, or high latency)
3) Security issues
But, if you like all that, feel free to check out the Phantom gaming system; you'd probably like it.
Re:Not in "a few years". (Score:3, Insightful)
Seeing as the movie is at least an hour long, why are you in such a rush? If movies could download in 1 minute, I'd be pretty satisfied. Thats only about 133 Gbps if I did my math correct for 1 GB of data.
But in reality, who needs it to be there in a minute anyway. As long as the system is decent enough to stream starting at any point in the movie you choose, you really only need to be able to download 1GB in 45 minutes (a little buffer time is always good). By my math thats about 3Mbps. HEY, I have one of those...
PS: lowercase b is bit, uppercase B is byte, your numbers would make more sense if you differentiated.
Re:Are we learning yet? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Are we learning yet? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Blu-Ray wins! (Score:3, Insightful)
Is the market really ready? (Score:3, Insightful)
Look at Laserdisc - far better picture and sound than VHS, no rewinding and pretty good studio support for a while but the cost, convenience and durability advantages of tapes won out in the end.
Re:They're wasting their time (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Not in "a few years". (Score:3, Insightful)
By that token, we are many years away from being able to reliably do video-on-demand to a large customer base.
There's also the fact that people just are not going to pay per view for ever. The current model works for new releases, but for certain movies people want to be able to just buy and have a copy to watch whenever they want. That's not going to work with video on demand.
Re:Does format matter? (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:smart move (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Does format matter? (Score:4, Insightful)
Trouble with HD-DVD (tin-foil hat time) (Score:1, Insightful)
Just a guess is that Hollywood would prefer to sell us HD-DVD's (you know, the ones we just bought in DVD format) in some intermediate format, and then in another 5 years, sell us the same movies again in yet a better format.
Plus, it doesn't match up with expectations. If a CD holds 700M and a DVD (single layer) holds 4.7 G, then you expect the information density to increase by a factor of 7 with a new generation. Therefore, you'd expect about 30G from a new format.
HD DVD just doesn't cut it. It doesn't work for data storage, it doesn't work for HDTV.
I don't know anything about Blu-Ray and I frankly don't care. I just know that HD-DVD is too little.
Waiting... (Score:3, Insightful)
99% of the 10% of humans that even have a computer, don't care about any of this until it's AFFORDABLE. By which time, the margins will be so low that none of this battle will matter. And I'd bet backups to IDE will still be cheaper TCO-wise.
Also, a system with 10x the storage will be out in a year.
Re:This is not collusion (Score:1, Insightful)
If the standard they choose contains a mandatory DRM system, and if competitors are required by law (under the DMCA and software patent law) to have a license in order to join the monopolized market, it is effectively, if not legally, collusion.