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MSN Sponsors Mensa 492

Posted by Zonk
from the get-smarter dept.
crankyspice writes "Fresh on the heels of Google courting members via GLAT advertisements in the Bulletin, Microsoft's MSN is now sponsoring American Mensa events, featuring Mensa questions on the MSN homepage, and Mensa will put MSN's search on their new homepage."
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  • So what ? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Space cowboy (13680) * on Saturday March 19, 2005 @02:38AM (#11982861) Journal

    Look, I'm no shill for MS - I think their OS sucks dead bunnies through short straws, but frankly, who cares ? MS want to associate themselves with an organisation that likes to consider itself better than average, by their own definition. And the news is... what ?

    I have no respect for Mensa, they like to position themselves as the "society of the intelligent", and yet most of the people I've interviewed who have claimed Mensa membership on their resume are less than attractive as candidates. It's almost a badge of dishonour... They don't fail on intelligence (but that's not normally where people I interview fail anyway), they fail on people skills - being able to recognise that someone else may know more about X than you do, and coping with that knowledge well.

    Oh, I've not much respect for MS either (at least technically - I think their marketing is excellent), but that ought to be obvious from my tagline...

    Simon.

    • Re:So what ? (Score:2, Insightful)

      by FidelCatsro (861135)
      There is a fine line between genius and insanity
      • Re:So what ? (Score:5, Interesting)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 19, 2005 @04:22AM (#11983171)
        From The Center for an Informed America [cnchost.com].

        ...
        For those who don't know, Mensa is, in its own words, "an international society in which the sole requirement for qualification for membership is a score at or above the 98th percentile on any of a number of standardized intelligence tests." It is, in other words, an organization that fancies itself to be a collection of the brightest minds from around the world -- who amuse themselves primarily by indulging in such intellectual pursuits as eating to grotesque excess.

        Now I happen to have a, uhmm, 'friend' who is currently a member of this organization. He first joined the group several years ago, "out of curiosity," or so he claims. He was decidedly unimpressed with his limited exposure to the Mensa organization, and so he did not renew his membership beyond the first couple of years.

        But early this year he decided to rejoin, primarily to see how the group's publications were dealing with the September 11 attacks and everything that has come in their wake: the steep rise in U.S. militarism; the vast erosion of civil liberties; the pursuit of reactionary social policies; and the exposure of the rampant corruption of corporate America.

        And what my friend found was that the allegedly best and brightest minds in the country were operating comfortably within the parameters established by academia and the American media: the official story of what happened last September 11 is unquestioned, as is the fact that any real investigation into the events of that day has been officially blocked; unprovoked U.S. military actions are given the same superficial level of debate that can be heard on any cable news broadcast; the frontal assaults on civil liberties are either not discussed at all or are justified as a legitimate response to what supposedly happened last September, with, you know, maybe a few instances where the government has, with all good intentions, of course, maybe overstepped just a bit; the social agenda of Team Bush receives barely a mention; and the corporate scandals, and the direct connections of various members of the Bush cabal to those scandals, are apparently old news.

        After reading such drivel for several months now (my 'friend' passes them on to me after he's read them, you see), I still wasn't prepared for what I was to find in the September 2002 issue of the Mensa Bulletin, the slick monthly publication of American Mensa. Featured in a new survey column therein were the results of the first query posed to members: "Who are your heroes?"

        And who do you suppose ended up in the #1 position on that list? Who do the 'intellectually gifted' among us look up to as a hero? Who, above everyone else, does the Mensa community place on a pedestal? None other than George W. Bush, of course.
        ...
        • Re:So what ? (Score:3, Informative)

          by Winkhorst (743546)
          "And who do you suppose ended up in the #1 position on that list? Who do the 'intellectually gifted' among us look up to as a hero? Who, above everyone else, does the Mensa community place on a pedestal? None other than George W. Bush, of course."

          As a former member of Mensa (who does not put it on his resumes, nor the fact that I am a published author either--it just sounds too pretentious), I would just like to clarify one point:

          Almost half of Mensa members are spouses of those with 98%+ IQs. You couldn'
        • Re:So what ? (Score:3, Insightful)

          by composer777 (175489) *
          IQ is as much a test of assignable curiosity (i.e. one's willingness to eagerly solve problems that are given to him by others) as it is intelligence. Thus, it shouldn't be a surprise that people who do well on IQ tests tend to also be automatons.

          Further, many of the questions on IQ tests tend to be what are known as "trick" questions. The only way that most mortals can do well on such a test is to blindly memorize the answers. After that, it's a piece of cake. If one pays attention at Mensa meetings,
      • Mensa? (Score:3, Interesting)

        That's "the low self-esteem society' isn't it?
    • Re:So what ? (Score:5, Interesting)

      by metlin (258108) on Saturday March 19, 2005 @02:41AM (#11982887) Journal
      I couldn't agree more.

      What irritates me about Mensa is the fact that they consider intelligence to be purely a function of a few odd tests.

      Hmm, how weird.

      I've known some incredibly intelligent people who'd probably flunk these tests - folks that can play music so amazingly well and reproduce exact notes after hearing them just once.

      The point is, intelligence is not a function of how well you can do in a few puzzles. And more importantly, it is not all that hard to ace the Mensa test if you prepare well enough for it - just spend a while solving puzzles and patterns, and it'll be a cakewalk.

      It's almost like a self-righteous organization of sorts - hey, lookie! We can solve all these cool puzzles, therefore we'll pretend that we are smarter more than you all are.
      • Re:So what ? (Score:3, Insightful)

        by glitch! (57276)
        What irritates me about Mensa is the fact that they consider intelligence to be purely a function of a few odd tests.

        You mean like gauging someone's artistic talents by "Can you draw Spunky?" :-)
        • Something like that :-)

          And the worst part is, calling yourself as one of the world's top 1-2% of artists just because you can draw Spunkys. Bah.
      • Re:So what ? (Score:5, Insightful)

        by bonch (38532) on Saturday March 19, 2005 @02:50AM (#11982920)
        I've known people who were complete morons. Until you got them underneath a truck or at a baseball game, where they would know an engine inside out or remember the details of entire decades of team statistics. We've all got our specialties.

        Just something to keep in mind...a lot of times, computer geeks think they're God's gift to the earth. There are lots of people smarter at you when it comes to things you know nothing about. I don't know a damn thing about making really good spaghetti or building a car engine. Variety and the collective versatility it creates is what makes society great.
        • Re:So what ? (Score:3, Interesting)

          Most computer geeks are also very logical and will use their brains to work stuff out they don't know.. this is a true sign of being smart. Anyone can read a book and know what to do, or watch someone else do it and copy, but to be truely smart you need to be able to apply basic knowledge and function to complex things and work it out from there. Computers in general are very logical and so most geeks are logical.. so we work things out and can adapt to most things.. where as the people you've mentioned and
          • Re:So what ? (Score:4, Interesting)

            by jacksonj04 (800021) <nick@nickjackson.me> on Saturday March 19, 2005 @07:14AM (#11983552) Homepage
            I disagree. Yes most geeks are logical, but logic alone cannot help you cook spaghetti. How much salt do you add to the water? I know, but I don't know how I know.

            Likewise when flavouring things I know where to stop adding the pepper, but there's no magic formula to work out how much pepper you need.

            Some things just have to come from instinct.

            You can live with poor food just as well as you can live with bad food. You can live with a good PC, a poor PC, or no PC.

            Personally, I'd learn to cook.
          • Re:So what ? (Score:4, Insightful)

            by HawkingMattress (588824) on Saturday March 19, 2005 @08:52AM (#11983720)
            Most computer geeks are good at logical stuff, yes. That doesn't make them more intelligent. You talk about books. Well take your average computer geek, and your average literacy geek, have them read a novel, then sum it up for you. You'll find that the computer geek generally didn't understood what was important in the book. He can sum it up, sure, but the way he sums it shows that he didn't understood what was important and what wasn't. More importantly, He didn't get the message behind the book, at all.
            In fact, when the literacy geek will explain him what the book was really about, he'll laugh a lot and tell him to quit smoking pot. If the author wanted to mean that, he would have clearly written it !
            The literacy geek won't care, he knows most scientists can only understand what has been clearly explained at them, and that their logical mind comes short in any situation where logic is not the key (that is, 95% of real world situations).

            The literacy geeks accepts that the world, and the people around him are infinitely complex, and that every action or word can be understood when looked at in the right light. Them computer geeks just thinks that everybody is dumber than him, because their logic can't fit in their little categorizing mind. They don't even try to understand others. In other words, if the document doesn't parse, it's because the document is badly structured. It can't be my parser which needs adjustments, because i know i have the finest parser on earth !
      • Re:So what ? (Score:5, Insightful)

        by nbharatvarma (784546) on Saturday March 19, 2005 @03:06AM (#11982968)
        I was involved in setting up a mensa chapter at where I live (Hyderabad,India). I am also in touch with mensans from Bangalore. I cannot comment on the general attitude of mensans in America, but I never felt a lack of social skills in the mensans I know of.

        We shouldn't mix social skills and intelligence. IQ by itself doesn't mean anything anymore. That way if you were a 99.99999 percentile, doesn't mean shit. You need emotional maturity to carry you through life. That way, except for those who want to boost up their egos, being a Mensan doesn't prove anything.

        I look at Mensa as more of a common grounds for people to meet. Mensans I know are willing to help other Mensans. I have known people who made CEOs, who were entrepreneurs, MBAs so on. What I get is contacts. So, if I need guidance or advice, they are more than willing to help.

        When one slashdot user meets another, there is an instant recognition. An instant willingness to help. (In India, the number of people who read slashdot are few). Mensa is pretty much the same thing. Atleast thats what I look at it.

        • Re:So what ? (Score:5, Insightful)

          by RWerp (798951) on Saturday March 19, 2005 @04:03AM (#11983119)
          So Mensa is an "old boy network"? The worse for it. People will never forgive you belonging to circle they can't.
          • Re:So what ? (Score:3, Insightful)

            by Joe Tie. (567096)
            People will never forgive you belonging to circle they can't.

            I agree. Scrolling through the list of negative comments about mensa so far, more and more it's beginning to smell a bit like sour grapes.
            • Not really. My wife passed MENSA tests in Poland when in her teens. Her opinions on MENSA concurr with most of the negative comments here.
            • Re:So what ? (Score:5, Insightful)

              by isometrick (817436) on Saturday March 19, 2005 @05:07AM (#11983251)
              Both my father and I qualified for Mensa. Even though we disagree on many important life issues and qualified at times more than 20 years apart, we both found the membership of our local chapters to be filled with extremely misguided and, frankly, annoyingly pompous people.

              That's not to say everyone in Mensa is that way, but we both chose not to associate with a group that seemed to base its membership requirements on ideals that commonly (though not always) predicate extreme arrogance.
            • Well, how about this? Being an ex-member of Mensa (And no, you don't get kicked out), I can Verify all the claims.

              It's a club for people who are really, really good at the tests (I faked it, they are trivial to study for) but not really that good at talking to others. So, when they meet, at least they can talk about the tests. All in all, it is really boring. I just signed up with a friend to prove that the tests are easy to beat. Using a fake name, even.

              But if the members of Mensa like it, hey, more powe
          • Not at all (Score:4, Insightful)

            by jesterzog (189797) on Saturday March 19, 2005 @05:12AM (#11983260) Homepage Journal

            So Mensa is an "old boy network"? The worse for it.

            Eh? I'm not a Mensa member, but I am a member of a social sports club and an amateur astronomical society. They're called extra-curricular activities, and they're a very good way to meet interesting people with common interests and attitudes.

            Both of my groups are full of people with whom I share common interests, and both are full of great contacts for other things in life if I ever want help. How is that different from Mensa, and how does that make any of these like an "old boy network"?

            Just as my and many other people's interests happen to be in a certain area shouldn't mean that someone else's interests shouldn't be allowed to be in the realm of puzzle solving and so on, and whatever else Mensan's engage in.

        • Erm pardon? If I met another slashdotter I wouldn't react ANY different to them then a normal person. Untill they prove differently you need to assume people are idiots who don't care what you have to say or even remotely know about it.. when they prove other wise I might have an intrest in them.. this would probably apply to most people...

          Untill you prove other wise you're an average person who I couldn't careless for. I don't care if you read Slashdot, Fark, Somethingawful or can draw goatse in a photo-r
      • Re:So what ? (Score:3, Interesting)

        by Reene (808293)
        Not that I don't agree with the rest of your post, this just stood out to me:

        I've known some incredibly intelligent people who'd probably flunk these tests - folks that can play music so amazingly well and reproduce exact notes after hearing them just once.

        Depending on what part of the world they hail from, this ability is not at all unusual. Identifying a note like that is called perfect pitch [wikipedia.org] and it's extremely prominent among people that were raised learning tonal languages like Chinese and has a
        • I wasn't aware of that, thank you!

          Your comment brings up something else to mind, though - if such abilities are related to one's upbringing and origin, the same could be said of what Mensa considers to be "intelligence", too.

          For all you know, you may have the ability (whatever - musical, mathematical etc) and not know it at all. Or you might have the ability and do well otherwise, but not in test conditions.

          Either way, Mensa amuses me.
        • Yeah, when I was learning guitar at around age 15, I was told I had perfect pitch. I didn't think it felt out of the ordinary to identify the letter of a note just by hearing it, but I was being told that this was some amazing gift, though it felt like I had learned it (see below about the keyboard) Maybe I should take music theory when I start college?

          All we had when we were growing up was a crappy Casio 5 or 6-octave keyboard with somewhere around 10-note polyphony. The fact that my parents had put stick
      • As a Mensa member, I'd have to say you're wrong about most members.

        Most Mensa members are quite ordinary people who happen to be able to perform logical thought faster and more accurately than average. While there are some arseholes, just as there are in any group, most recognise their ability for what it is. Most also recognise that IQ isn't what makes you a good person, or a particularly valuable member of society.

        It might interest you to know that those who score the top 2% out of the population can ga
      • Re:So what ? (Score:3, Informative)

        by drooling-dog (189103)
        I've known some incredibly intelligent people who'd probably flunk these tests

        That seems to be by design. Many questions on Mensa tests are designed to penalize educated intelligence. Here's an example that I saw several years ago (and stewed about ever since):

        Q: Which is the odd one out?

        (a) 4 (b)15 (c) 9 (d)12 (e) 5
        (f) 8 (g)30 (h)18 (i)24 (j)10

        Now, anyone with even minimal mathematics behind them would choose (e), because it's the only prime number in the bunch. But, they would be wrong: The correct an

    • I've been invited to join MENSA. I've also gone to a few of their meetings. Essentially what they were were a number of individuals of dubious accomplishment and substantially lacking in social skills attempting to one-up each other and show how they were smarter than anyone else in the room. What a bunch of WOMBATs.

      "I wouldn't belong to any club that would have me as a member." - Groucho Marx

    • by trisweb (690296) on Saturday March 19, 2005 @04:20AM (#11983165) Journal

      Microsoft's MSN is now sponsoring American Mensa events, featuring Mensa questions on the MSN homepage, and Mensa will put MSN's search on their new homepage in exchange for allowing Microsoft founder and CEO Bill Gates into their organization.

      When asked of this peculiar action, Mr. Gates told reporters: "I tried the tests and the puzzles and stuff, but I couldn't really figure them out. Then I realized that I was the richest man in the world and I didn't have to deal with this crap."

      Gates also spoke of creating a new organization tangential to Mensa, the Pecunia Society. "It has only one requirement -- just have more money than 99.998% of the world's population!"

    • They don't fail on intelligence (but that's not normally where people I interview fail anyway), they fail on people skills - being able to recognise that someone else may know more about X than you do, and coping with that knowledge well.

      Or failing to recognize that allowing yourself to be sponsored by a huge viciously competitive monopoly could compromise your integrity, freedom, and eventually your very existence.

      Being "book smart" and yet gullible enough to trust those who can't be trusted isn't goin

  • by no reason to be here (218628) on Saturday March 19, 2005 @02:39AM (#11982867) Homepage
    Mensa will put MSN's search on their new homepage.

    That's not very smart.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 19, 2005 @02:40AM (#11982874)
    If there was ever a group of self-important dweebs who deserved each other more, I can't imagine it.
  • Go right ahead (Score:3, Interesting)

    by bonch (38532) on Saturday March 19, 2005 @02:40AM (#11982875)
    This will have what...zero effect?

    People love Google. I actually saw Jay Leno mention Google as part of a related joke, and some in the audience began cheering and applauding.

    Makes one think Mensa is rather...retarded.
    • Re:Go right ahead (Score:2, Interesting)

      by phrasebook (740834)
      and some in the audience began cheering and applauding.

      Americans always cheer and applaud over everything! I've often wondered why this is. Americans: why do you feel the need to clap or shout 'yee-eah!' or 'woooo!' when you agree with something someone is saying?

      Two examples: Most recently I was listening to an address made by a respected journalist, can't remember the name. It was a serious kind of speech but people kept clapping whenever he made a point. It was lame. I felt like the audience was despa
  • To sum up: (Score:5, Funny)

    by Glowing Fish (155236) on Saturday March 19, 2005 @02:40AM (#11982877) Homepage
    To sum up everyone's responses to this:
    1. No one respects Mensa since they base their membership on tests of dubious veracity and not on real world accomplishments.
    2. And signing up with a deal with MSN kind of just drives the point home, doesn't it?
  • Too bad.... (Score:5, Funny)

    by stefanlasiewski (63134) * <slashdot@@@stefanco...com> on Saturday March 19, 2005 @02:41AM (#11982883) Homepage Journal
    featuring Mensa questions on the MSN homepage, and Mensa will put MSN's search on their new homepage.

    Whatever, that's fine with me.

    It's just really too bad they keep spelling it "Msna".

  • Call me cynical, but how many people will this affect in any way? I see Google or MSN search boxes on all sorts of pages, but I never use them. They seem like a strange relic, more of a "Look what I can add to my site!" element. If I want to search for something, I'll go to Google itself or the handy-dandy search box in my browser's toolbar.

    On the other side of things, I can't ever find ANYTHING on the horribly busy and disorganized MSN homepage anyhow, so I'm not sure MENSA questions on there will even
  • The Intended Effect: "Hey, smart people use Microsoft products! I should too!"

    The Actual Effect: "Man, we're not very smart! We wasted all that money on the search program nobody uses."

  • make sense (Score:5, Funny)

    by prockcore (543967) on Saturday March 19, 2005 @03:01AM (#11982949)
    It makes sense. A mensa membership carries about the same degree of prestige as an MSCE cert.

    (Read: none at all)
  • For some reason, as I read this story the thought of Count Dooku aligning with the Sith just sprung to mind.

    Of course, I just finished watching all twenty Clone Wars cartoons for the first time...
  • The ultimate collection of smart losers, getting together to form a support group based loosely on the notion that although they have had sand kicked repeatedly in their faces, they will one day rule the earth because they can solve a word puzzle faster than their boss at work.

    No, they will continue to be smart losers and nothing more, which is why you will rarely find Nobel Prize winners, CEOs, or generally succesful people skulking in their midst.

    • Hrmm.. Now, I understand the general point people here are trying to make about Mensans being the smart losers who need a support group and, for some members, this may be true. I happen to be a member of Mensa and find these broad statements a little inapplicable to me. I am a member of Mensa who doesn't go to meetings, reads the newletters and magazines, enjoys the word puzzles and has people skills good enough to get aling with most anyone. So just do me a favor and acknowledge the fact that statements su
    • No, they will continue to be smart losers and nothing more, which is why you will rarely find Nobel Prize winners, CEOs, or generally succesful people skulking in their midst.

      Yes, losers like Scott Adams, Isaac Asimov and (my favourite) pr0n star Asia Carrera. Like always on Slashdot, you got modded up for not knowing anything at all about the subject under discussion... [retch] MSN [/retch] link to famous members:
      http://encarta.msn.com/list_famousmensamembers/Fam ous_Mensa_Members.html [msn.com]

  • by xgamer04 (248962) <xgamer04@yahoo.RABBITcom minus herbivore> on Saturday March 19, 2005 @03:12AM (#11982984)
    Breaking news! Microsoft partners with Johnson and Hollings Advertising firm! This is important because Johnson just had a baby! Microsoft and babies!!! What next?
  • Mensa is great (Score:3, Insightful)

    by bahwi (43111) <incoming&josephguhlin,com> on Saturday March 19, 2005 @03:13AM (#11982988) Homepage
    But trivia questions do not equal intelligence.

    My favorite I've seen is a Mensa sticker on a beat-up Honda with no rear-bumper. Yeah, probably a teacher or something, which is a great and noble profession, but whatever happened to spending 5 or 10 years and getting a nest-egg to live comfortably(at least to repair the car and make it street legal! this one was really bad!).

    Ah well, Mensa is the most intelligent Trivia people I've ever met, some are amazing and intelligence and pure genius, most are doped-up idiots. Sorry, even the country club will have intelligent people and idiots, Mensa is no different, no gold though.
  • Mensa, eh (Score:3, Interesting)

    by truesaer (135079) on Saturday March 19, 2005 @03:19AM (#11983003) Homepage
    I think my GRE scores qualify me for Mensa...but I'm not inclined to join. To pay money to be part of a smart persons club that provides no real benefits other than status seems pretty dumb to me. Not quite as bad as sending money to a Nigerian prince, but not good either.


    Think about this for a minute...a good score on the GRE which consists of basic reading comprehension and 9th grade algebra gets you into a special smart persons club?

  • I was contacted [nolug.org] back in January by the committee that's putting on MensAGumbo [mensa.org] here in July. Apparently RedHat declined their invitation to run a booth or give a presentation, but I readily accepted :-)

    I plan on using a variation of these bullet points [kellynetco...rvices.com] for my presentation. If any of you slashdotters happen to be at MensAGumbo, please come and cheer me on, say hi, etc.

  • Fuck 'em (Score:3, Insightful)

    by themusicgod1 (241799) <<moc.growz> <ta> <1dogcisumeht>> on Saturday March 19, 2005 @03:30AM (#11983025) Homepage Journal
    Throwing aside any accusations towards the organizations involved and looking purely at the people within them and the intentions of Mensa (if not the reality) there is a great irony. MSN User #121402: OMfG!11!!onehundredeleven! im so hpy - C U L8r GurlZ! The fact that the so called "Top 5% of the population" in terms of intelligence would want to be associated with that is delicious. The society that centres around the use of MSN consists mainly of 13 year olds who have just discovered that they can post blogs of their useless opinions and hopeless angst. Anyhow, can't say they don't deserve eachother. I suppose I can see how Mensa might want to advertise with MSN though. I mean, they've got to perpetuate their member-base somehow. "Angst-ridden kids" is actually a step up from "pompus, elitist old men with no practical skills (but a knack for IQ tests)".

  • I have no personal experience with Mensa members. I remember being referred to the "practice exam" by a friend in high school, that's where I picked up some preliminary information on the group itself.

    That said, my main problem with Mensa is not their stated goal of creating an environment in which intelligent discourse can flourish.

    My problem is also not with the fact that, in order to accomplish such goals, they must exclude a certain (sizable) portion of the population from their "enlightened organization."

    The issue that I personally have with Mensa is that their standards are established not to accept people with some acceptable level of genius and potential, but rather to accept people who are "better than 99% of the rest of humanity."

    Thus, they are elitist in the purest sense of what I understand the term to mean. If their standards of admission were designed with the intent to merely keep the general body to a basic level of intelligence and competency, why index them against the average IQ of contemporary human beings? Bear in mind that, according to their admission testing, at no time can more than 2% of the population be members of Mensa (assuming universal application). The implicit assumption is that the vast majority of humanity is incapable of civil discourse and intelligent discussion (at least on the level that they would like), but I see no reason why this should be the case.

    I see the sub-par intellectuality of humankind as a practical failure, the burden of which is borne by the entire race. To me there appear no deep reasons to believe that the population must be divided into the two subgroups of which we are so fond: the brains and the brawn. It is true that some people will always be smarter, wiser, and more capable than others. However, I see such considerations to be largely irrelevant except when one considers the scholarly pursuits of the natural and social sciences. And in such a case, I would argue that chance and circumstance (by the latter I mean the state of society and associated research at the time of advancement) play a role so important that they may overshadow small differences in individual ingenuity.
    • The implicit assumption is that the vast majority of humanity is incapable of civil discourse and intelligent discussion (at least on the level that they would like), but I see no reason why this should be the case.

      Obviously you've never worked in any sort of call center (tech support or otherwise).

      (kidding! ;)
    • by RWerp (798951) on Saturday March 19, 2005 @04:18AM (#11983159)
      The implicit assumption is that the vast majority of humanity is incapable of civil discourse and intelligent discussion (at least on the level that they would like), but I see no reason why this should be the case. And I see plenty. Including slashdot posts.
  • by Man in Spandex (775950) <prsn.kev@noSpam.gmail.com> on Saturday March 19, 2005 @03:32AM (#11983038)
    Get some b00bs like Asia Carrera.
    Asia Carrera has to be one of the most intriguing women of the adult movie industry. A member of the high-IQ organization MENSA, Asia ranks with the most intelligent and accomplished ladies to have ever appeared in X-rated films.
    from a Google search result [google.ca]
  • What're they worth? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by hyperion454 (766214)
    Has MENSA even contributed anything to society? Ever? What's the last scientific breakthrough these fucking "geniuses" have had? I'm a college CSE student at __THE__ Ohio State Unviersity who's just had 17 Bud lights, yet I'm typing with perfect grammar. Let me in, MENSTtruation. I'm smarter than all those fuckers. Cocksuckers.
    • Let me in, MENSTtruation.
      Speaking from experience, I can say with great certainty that menstruation and the woes that come with it are far more bearable and indeed enjoyable than suffering a room full of MENSA members drifting about like so much spooge in a toilet bowl.
  • by Anonymous Coward
    Mensa is the biggest group of Mental Masturbators ever.

    Seriously.

    Accept their offer (cmon, anyone can score in the top 2% on a REAL iq test not those corny ass web ones) and go to one of their meetings.

    It basically consists of "rah rah rah, we're smart and this is what smart people do". A few were genuinely interested in intelligence and brought some interesting puzzles--but for most of them its just mental masturbation to the extreme.

    Most people there had no practical ability IMO. They were your typi
  • .. because everybody knows anybody with the IQ over a mouse should run linux ;) .Albert
  • Returning fire (Score:4, Informative)

    by Monty Worm (7264) on Saturday March 19, 2005 @04:24AM (#11983175) Journal
    If anything, this highlights the problems that Mensa has at the moment.

    Mensa's goals are (paraphrased): "To foster human intelligence, to research human intelligence, and provide a social forum for it's members" By and large, it's mainly only this last one that ever happens. By far and away the most popular regular Mensa meeting in London, England is the pub crawl.

    Mensa is a Social Club. Members often have very little in common, but a common ability to think. While there is a qualification of a top 2% IQ score for entry, only a tiny percentage actually apply.

    For the record, I'm not entirely comfortable with corporate sponsorship of Mensa. The fact that it's Microsoft is something I really don't like. But it's just my opinion - by policy, Mensa has no opinions

    (disclaimer: the author is a member of British Mensa, and sits on the London organising committee (LocSec forum)(

  • Mensa Members (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Kaenneth (82978) on Saturday March 19, 2005 @04:25AM (#11983177) Homepage Journal
    Almost every Mensa member I've met is an arrogent bastard who thinks they are better than other people; having spent a few years at Microsoft, I know they'll fit right in.

    This isn't envy, when I took an IQ test I was literally off the scale. The highest standardised test score in the history of my school district was 176, I scored 212. I was disqualified from an 'intellectual' competition because I scored 98, when the second highest of over 100 others was 76, and I completed the quiz in 15 minutes of the alloted hour; they believed I must have cheated somehow.

    But I'm smart enough to know that the value of a person has nothing to do with standard test scores.

    While working at MS I treated the janitors with the same respect as my managers, because I knew that without eighter of them, the job wouldn't get done. One amusing moment was when the local grocery store clerk said she liked people like me, unlike those stuck up people who work at Microsoft, which was where I was working at the time.

    I may be able to craft an exceptional peice of software, recall what portion of a page in a novel a sentance appeared on, and instantly remember 10 digit numbers backwards; but I can't draw worth a damn, can't sing, or play a musical instrument, am a terrible speller, and can't parellel park.

    Everyone has different abilities, and just because someone is Rich, Smart, or Pretty; dosn't make them a good person.
  • ... when you have Google?

    But then again, Mensa is just a place for people who cannot entertain themselves on their own... :P
  • by fyredragon (869066) <[fyredragonfyre] [at] [gmail.com]> on Saturday March 19, 2005 @04:44AM (#11983207)
    At first glance I thought I read:

    MSN Sponsors Menses

    And I'm thinking: gee, what a NOVEL way attract female readership!

    I'm gonna go visit my eye doctor tomorrow
  • Anne: Jill, are you a member of any clubs?
    Jill: Yes (laughing).
    Anne: What's funny about that?
    Jill: I'm a former member of Mensa.
    Anne: Former member of Mensa.... did they throw you out?

    Got the quote from here [marnin.com].

  • A few weeks ago I saw an interview with a reporter who got into Mensa, she passed the test with flying colours... got into the group and went to a few meetings... well.. in short.. she didn't fill the test in at all. A friend did it for her..

    Seems they can't even tell when a "normal" person is among them, now they can't tell what a good source engine is. Next it'll turn out they were all frauds who had to make a gang incase someone wanted to take their pocket money..
  • A new book on the way: Mensa for Dummies.
  • Hah! (Score:3, Funny)

    by MightyMartian (840721) on Saturday March 19, 2005 @04:57AM (#11983237) Journal
    They deserve each other. An overrated web service and a bunch of pathetic mental masturbators. Good match.
  • "I don't want to belong to any club that will accept me as a member."

    --Groucho Marx
  • by gvc (167165) on Saturday March 19, 2005 @08:13AM (#11983641)
    Contrary to conventional wisdom, intelligent people are more, not less, likely to be socially competent, well groomed, aware of what's going on in the world, etc.

    That said, Mensa is a social club with highly self-selected membership. I'm not sure that its members are any weirder than members of Parents without Partners, a Sci-Fi Con, or an athletic club.

    There's nothing wrong with a social club that draws together people with a common interest. It is just that in Mensa the common interest is one's own intelligence, with a tacit subtext of "only people who know how smart I am appreciate me, and I appreciate only people who are as smart as me."

    I have never been a Mensa member; I have never been tempted to be a Mensa member for the reasons cited. I know some, but remarkably few, Mensa members. They haven't convinced me that Mensa members have enough genuine common interests to form a cohesive social club.
  • by i_want_you_to_throw_ (559379) on Saturday March 19, 2005 @11:59AM (#11984679) Journal
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