Mozilla Foundation's Future: No Mozilla Suite 1.8 486
batb0y writes "The Mozilla Foundation has published its Mozilla Application Suite transition plan, confirming that there will be no official Mozilla 1.8 release. There will be a 1.7.6 release to be maintained by the Mozilla Foundation. All future suite versions from the Foundation will be minor updates only." Don't despair, however, as there is already a community effort underway to continue development.
Re:Firefox forever! (Score:5, Informative)
Re:That sucks (Score:5, Informative)
> Firefox?
One thing I like is searching or entering URLs in a single large bar. By default, Firefox has separate search and URL bars on the same line, which mean you can see less of the search term/url you're entering.
My wife says that it's easier for her to open tabs with the mouse from mozilla (the new tab button is immediately obvious to her in Mozilla, but not in Firefox).
Don't put too much hope in the community effort. (Score:3, Informative)
The Mozilla Foundation has been looking for people to work on the Mozilla Suite for a while now. Nothing prevented people from doing work on it.
That it was killed indicates there just wasn't enough support to continue it.
Thus, the help for the community is limited to those who either were not aware help was needed, or are willing to work on a rebranded Mozilla Suite (it's trademarked, isn't it?) but not on the original Mozilla Suite while the Mozilla Foundation drove it.
In short, new developers and people who fork for the sake of forking.
Re:Isn't Mozilla a repackaging of Firefox et al? (Score:5, Informative)
Firefox and Thunderbird were split off as standalone apps that embedded the Gecko rendering component and a few other goodies from the original Mozilla suite, but they've always been their own critters, from an application standpoint.
So, now it looks like major development on Gecko-based products is going to be on apps that do one small cluster of things well, instead of a large app that does lots of things.
clear 'nuff?
Re:Let me get this straight. (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Firefox needs Moz suite components (Score:5, Informative)
Thunderbird is the replacement for the e-mail part of the Mozilla suite. Nvu is (arguably) the replacement for the editor part of the suite. Et cetera.
Re:Mozilla Suite is Dead! (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Firefox needs Moz suite components (Score:4, Informative)
The current version is 1.0-Beta, and it's much better than any alternative I've seen in the OSS world, much better than mozilla's equivalent. Take a look [nvu.com] or download [nvu.com] it.
Re:So? (Score:4, Informative)
Re:That sucks (Score:3, Informative)
Just edit keyword.URL to http://www.google.com/search?q=
about:config is a lovely thing. Rather like things such as TweakUI for Windows, the defaults are fine for most people, but there are few little extra enhancements that can be easily made, and which appear in plenty of hints & tips guides.
You Do Realize (Score:1, Informative)
Re:The Death Knell (Score:3, Informative)
The latest version will be fully integrated in 1.1 and will in fact be one of the major upgrades of 1.1
As far as I know, this is the reason FF renders differently, so it should be the same as Seamonkey by then
Re:Let me get this straight. (Score:3, Informative)
You: Oh yes, Mozilla, of course itself a name pun on Mosaic, when Marc Andreesen couldn't call it Mosaic anymore what with it being connected to UIUC and all, so he started developing a new commercial browser, calling it "Mozilla". Well, of course that didn't make a respectable brand, but if you look in the old Netscape readme files, you'll see "It's spelled N-E-T-S-C-A-P-E but it's pronounced `Mozilla'". (Polishes glasses, looks off to the distance) Ahh, those were the days.
The Public: Mo-who? Is it like that Firefox I saw in The New York Times?
Re:The Death Knell (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Wait...what?? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:The Death Knell (Score:3, Informative)
MSIE doesn't support XHTML, at all. I know all about the issues with text/html [hixie.ch], but this allows the site to function for those using a crippled browser (MSIE).
That main page was a testing ground for several different ideas I had at the time. It needs to be rewritten anyway, and I'm not surprised it kicks those other browsers into "quirks mode". Shrug. It'll be fixed when I have time to fix it.
Thanks, I always do, and will continue to do so.
Re:I agree... (Score:2, Informative)
Actually, Firefox has an "Options" item in the Tools menu because that's a Windows tradition. On X-based systems you get Edit->Preferences, just like Mozilla.
I don't know about OS X, though.
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Re:How Fitting: (Score:1, Informative)
SeaMonkey is (in this order):
Re:Let me get this straight. (Score:5, Informative)
The mozilla foundation, somewhere around 2 years ago, decided replace the Mozilla suite (which has had the codename "Seamonkey") with a group of standalone applications. There were projects already underway to create a standalone version of the browser and e-mail client, and the Mozilla foundation chose these two (which after a couple name-changes became Firefox and Thunderbird) to serve as the base for their development.
Originally, "Firebird" and "Thunderbird" were meant to be code-names for these apps while they were under development, as Seamonkey was the codename for the Mozilla suite. When these products reached version 1.0, they were supposed to be renamed "Mozilla Browser" and "Mozilla E-mail".
However, the development versions of the software had become famous/popular enough that people become worried that changing the name would lose name-recognition (which is bad for branding purposes) so it was decided instead that they'd be called "Mozilla Firefox" and "Mozilla Thunderbird". As far as I can remember, those are now the final names, but perhaps someone who knows better will correct me.
Anyhow, these stand-alone apps were designated to be replacements/upgrades for the old suite, and indeed, most users have stopped using the old suite and are using the new applications. However, many developers still prefer the old suite and are gearing up to start a development group independent of the Mozilla Foundation and branch off from Mozilla 1.7. For this purpose, it has been suggested that they call the software "The Seamonkey Internet Suite" because, no longer being affiliated with Mozilla, they can't use the "Mozilla" name.
Make sense?
Re:I agree... (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Firefox forever! (Score:2, Informative)
Tsk, one obscure reference to Traffic [imdb.com] and suddenly I'm oppressing someone!
Re:That sucks (Score:5, Informative)
Think again. Microsoft has spent a lot of time and money refining their UI. It may not be as clean as Mac OS, and there are definately some rough edges, but after seeing how new users pick up on Windows XP's new features, I have no doubts that their product is "easy to use".
Re:Mozilla Suite is Dead! (Score:3, Informative)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Book_of_Mozilla [wikipedia.org]
Re:So? (Score:3, Informative)
As others are pointing out, Mozilla.org hasn't componentized the backend ("GRE") of the applicaitons yet. That means that Firefox and Thunderbird share very little compiled code, which is not good because they aren't very lightweight programs to begin with.
I guess Mozilla was designed from the beginning to be one big monolithic application , so discontinuing that application seems a little odd.
mozilla's speed (vs firefox) (Score:3, Informative)
Re:vote on it (Score:3, Informative)
As a (primarily) OS X user, the Mozilla suite's preferences window OFFENDS me. It is repugnant. I cannot fathom how any human being with even a rudimentary grasp of proper user interface design could possibly believe that the Mozilla suite is an example of a well thought-out preferences window.
There is such a thing as exposing too many configuration options to the end user, and Mozilla 1.x embodies that pitfall. Firefox embraced minimalism and found that there are many like-minded people out there.
Of course, that's not to say that Firefox is without problems. It currently behaves so far out of the expectations of a native Mac app that I only use it on Linux and Windows, but it is leaps and bounds ahead of the UI that used to come out of Mozilla developers.
Re:That sucks (Score:5, Informative)
Regards,
Steve
Re:So? (Score:4, Informative)
It's not that, it's that Mozilla's behaviors and interface are much, much smoother compared to my experience with Firefox 1.0.0. Some key UI examples:
* When I download from Mozilla, it automatically allows me to choose where it's going, instead of defaulting to what it thinks is best.
* The address and search bar are combined - not separate, which means extra keystrokes to do what previously took one.
* Searching from the
* Removing features so that we get to play whack the mole with multiple extension downloads, installations, and configurations.
* If you separately download Firefox, Thunderbird, and the components which give you the same functionality as Moz 1.7.x, they take up more space and have a larger memory footprint than the "kitchen sink" suite.
There are other annoying issues to boot, but listing all of them is just kicking a baby. For now, IMO, Firefox is nowhere near as nice as Mozilla 1.7.x.
Re:The Death Knell (Score:2, Informative)
"...I'm a full-time, very-pedantic, anal-about-standards, web developer, so I can speak with absolute authority on this"
incorrect. with those qualifications, one could speak with relative authority, or great authority, but you cannot speak with absolute authority unless you are the official author of all the standards in question.
furthermore, as at least one other poster has pointed out, your own website is not 100% standards-compliant. while one supposes that you could argue that you'd made it "wrong" intentionally, that would at the least stretch credulity. according to the principle of occam's razor, it's much more likely that your knowledge of and ability to implement these standards is, while doubtless quite excellent, nonetheless less-than-perfect.
therefore don't be so quick to appoint yourself high lord magistrate of all things web-related; you're simply not (no one person can be!), and you just end up making yourself look like an ass.
I use imap (Score:3, Informative)
I suggest you migrate to it as well. I have an archive back to 1999 accesible anywhere I have Thunderbird, Mozilla, or a web browser (thanks to Squirrel mail).
Re:I agree... (Score:2, Informative)
You really should check out the web-developer extension toolbar in Firefox! It has that feature, and a lot more.
Re:Don't put too much hope in the community effort (Score:2, Informative)
You can't download more than 2-3 files at once in firefox. Trying to download more causes the dialog to come up when another file finishes.
That is sort of by design. The browser limits the number of concurrent connections to a single webserver in order to avoid excessive server load. The default maximum is 4. If the browser is maintaining one connection for the page, then there are only 3 left for downloads. It's a user interface deficiency, not a "programmer error". You can increase the number of connections in about:config (network.http.max-connections-per-server, network.http.max-connections, network.http.max-persistent-connections-per-server ).
How to import Mozilla Mail into Thunderbird (Score:3, Informative)
After some searching I came to the Thunderbird FAQ that says: "you can import your Mozilla Mail settings", but it doesn't say how. It turns out that ONCE during after the install of Thunderbird you get an option to import settings from Mozilla Mail, but the option then disappears from the "Import" dialog box.
The solution is to open the Thunderbird Profile manager (on windows it's a shortcut in the Thunderbird Start Menu group) and delete your Profile. (be sure that you don't have any data in that profile you need to maintain, back it up) If you now start Thunderbird it'll ask you if you want to import settings from Mozilla Mail. Works like a charm.
But, it's possible that it won't actually ask this; in that case, close Thunderbird, go to the file system (windows explorer) and navigate to:
c:\Documents and Settings\[username]\Application Data\Thunderbird\ and delete the file profiles.ini and registry.dat . This will effectively erase all knowledge that Thunderbird has about your profile.
Start Thunderbird again and it should ask you if you want to import Mozilla Mail settings and email.
Obviously they should just give you this option on the Import dialog of Thunderbird, who knows why they opted to leave it out there.
Re:Fonts (Score:3, Informative)
http://oceanic.wsisiz.edu.pl/~kosmowsk/misc/sla