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The Gimp

GIMP 2.2 Released 577

wongn writes "Several weeks since the splash screen contest was first announced, the latest milestone release for GIMP has come about - GIMP 2.2.0 has just been officially released. Only the linux binaries and source have yet appeared. From the website: 'The GIMP developers are proud to announce the availability of version 2.2.0 of the GNU Image Manipulation Program. About nine months after version 2.0 hit the road, we have completed another development cycle and can bring a new stable GIMP to our users' desktops.'"
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GIMP 2.2 Released

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 19, 2004 @04:10PM (#11131913)
    If GIMP was not open source, would you use it? Does it have anything over Photoshop in terms of Functionality or Ease of USe?
  • by MrRuslan ( 767128 ) on Sunday December 19, 2004 @04:29PM (#11132055)
    Well I can tell you for me it worked great. I use it for banners and logos and it is much easier to use than PS plus it works on windows and linux so thats a big plus. for me photoshop is overkill but gimp is just right.
  • Re:In reality (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Dano Watt ( 841769 ) on Sunday December 19, 2004 @04:31PM (#11132069) Homepage
    Is that because you've been using Photoshop for years and just tried out the Gimp and realized that it's not set up like Photoshop (gasp!)? Well I thought the same thing the first time I gave it a whirl. But I realized that if I've been using the Gimp for the past seven years, I would have had a hard time adjusting to Photoshop. It's all relative.
  • by Quattro Vezina ( 714892 ) on Sunday December 19, 2004 @04:53PM (#11132199) Journal
    it's easier to click once than to type in a file name

    No, it's not. Visual metaphor and spatial navigation have always been very hard for me. By far the most natural interface for me is simply typing the damn name, preferably with the help of regexes.
  • by Morpheuso ( 762437 ) on Sunday December 19, 2004 @04:58PM (#11132240)
    The Gimp has many features, but still has one of the messiest GUIs I've ever seen. What is their obsession with having undocked separate toolbox windows flying all around the screen?
  • by adiposity ( 684943 ) on Sunday December 19, 2004 @05:05PM (#11132294)
    That's great to only use open source, but if there is no opensource program for what you want to do, what do you do? Wait? Write your own? These may be fine ideas, fundamentally, but certainly not pragmatically.

    Luckily, the GIMP is a useable program, and if you don't want to use PS, you probably don't have to, but that's not the issue. If PS is better for the job, even considering its price, it makes sense to use it.

    If you're a fundamentalist, and refuse to use anything non-open-source, that's your choice. Lucky for you, there are some good open-source options out there. But would you stick to your guns if Mozilla didn't exist (you can thank corporate dollars for that)? Would you be so sure of yourself if the GIMP had never been created? If the answers to these questions is "no," then maybe you can begin to understand why some of us, who love open-source, still use Photoshop even though it is expensive and closed-source. As far as we are concerned, there *isn't* an open-source tool for the job. The GIMP isn't even in the same category as Photoshop.

    If the answer to the above question is "no," either you are young and naive, or you adopted these notions recently, because open-source software hasn't even been useable all that long. I prefer to adopt open source as the tools become sufficient for my needs. I use Firefox, FreeBSD, Apache, cygwin, Thunderbird, Ethereal, just to name a few, but I still use Win2K, Photoshop, Trillian, and a bunch of other proprietary programs because they do the job better than the open-source equivalents.

    It's crazy to use an inferior program because in theory you could modify it if you needed to, or because you don't have to pay for it. Only if the sum of those benefits and the useability of the program exceed that of a closed-source app, will I ever switch.

    -Dan
  • by schumaml ( 78970 ) on Sunday December 19, 2004 @05:08PM (#11132315) Homepage
    I thought so myself... then I actually started using them. Not so bad, after all, and the ability to add bookmarks rocks.

    And most of the time, I click or drag&drop images from my filemanager anyway.
  • by aldeng ( 804728 ) on Sunday December 19, 2004 @06:06PM (#11132709)
    The biggest problem that I have with the GIMP is the complete lack of CMYK support. RGB is all well and good if what you're working with will only be displayed on a computer screen or printed on an RGB prtiner (which most home printers are these days). Big, high quality pro level printers on the other had use CMKY and if you try and print an RGB image on a CMKY printer it will look like crap. A big, steamy pile of miscolored crap.
    But it's ok for other stuff and does have some cool features and plugins that Photoshop doesn't. But as long as I've got a license for PS, I'll stick with it.
  • by Ford Prefect ( 8777 ) on Sunday December 19, 2004 @06:14PM (#11132774) Homepage
    It's not up to 2.2 yet, but Gimp.app [sourceforge.net] manages to integrate into MacOS X in a surprisingly elegant manner. It's got a dock icon, which I drag photos from iPhoto on to; it can take screenshots with Grab.app; it can read images from the Mac clipboard. It comes as a single program package (Gimp.app, imaginatively) which you just drag-and-drop into your Applications folder, like any other decent Mac program.

    My only real complaint about it is the default theme - I've replaced it on my iBook with one called Milk 2.0 [gnome.org] which manages to look a lot cleaner and smarter than the standard.

    There's this general opinion that The GIMP is somehow utterly impossible to use, but I really do disagree. I taught myself to use it very quickly some years ago, merely by sitting down and playing around with it. Compared with something like vi or Blender, it's absolutely brilliant - while it's a bit quirky in places, it's generally very consistent in how it does things, and menu entries are logically named and placed. There aren't multiple modes for the program to operate in (beyond indexed, greyscale and full-colour), and with a comprehensive help system, tooltips and so on with no hidden basic functionality, it's more akin to pico than vi... ;-)

    I started off using The GIMP because it was all that I could afford. I continue using it (towards my paid work as well as hobbies such as photography and computer game design) because while I could probably afford Photoshop these days, it doesn't really offer me anything useful in addition to what I already have for free.

    If you want to use The GIMP, try it with an open mind. Don't expect Photoshop, Paint Shop Pro or whatever, it's its own program in its own right, with its own advantages and disadvantages. Do appreciate that it's a cross-platform thing with its home on X11 and UNIX - the Windows and Mac ports are very close in user interface to the original, for ease of maintenance and porting. And above all, have fun. :-)
  • by rseuhs ( 322520 ) on Sunday December 19, 2004 @06:39PM (#11132928)
    Hopefully somebody will do a KDE-frontend.

    The Gnome-HIG and especially their new dialogs are just a pain.

  • by secretsquirel ( 805445 ) on Sunday December 19, 2004 @07:03PM (#11133074)
    It might even be illegal.

    Soon it actally might be illegal if patent laws don't change.

  • by KilobyteKnight ( 91023 ) <bjm@midso u t h . r r .com> on Sunday December 19, 2004 @07:55PM (#11133416) Homepage
    When did Adobe release a Linux port of Photoshop?


    I was at a Photoshop seminar last week here in Memphis. I spoke with the instructor during one of the breaks and asked him if he though there would be a native Linux version of Photoshop. He said as he shook his head up and down in a very expressive affirmative manner that due to certain non-disclosure agreements he had signed he couldn't say what he knew.

    The rumor is "soon".

  • Mod parent up (Score:3, Interesting)

    by x3ro ( 628101 ) on Sunday December 19, 2004 @08:31PM (#11133642) Homepage

    Very good point. This has been in their bugzilla (as a feature enhancement) since Sept '03 [gnome.org].

    Check this out, from their wiki [gimp.org]:

    The initial roadmap for Gimp 2.0 included a few "professional" touches that previous releases were missing, such as native support for CMYK and 16 bit/channel image depth for video editing. These features have not made it into the 2.0 release, because the Gimp developers decided that it is better to release a good thing now than to delay much longer in the quest of better functionality.

    What a joke! Without CMYK, the Gimp is a toy, useful for web graphics but little else. No good to design pros, or to anyone that wants to be able to produce documents to print -- I fall into that second category, and without Photoshop and/or Illustrator, or a Gimp with decent features like native CMYK, there's no way I'm shifting from OS X. Trust me, graphics people do not give a monkeys about Python-Fu .. they want decent tools, they want them to have professional features, they want a decent intuitive UI (anyone that claims the Gimp has this is either a fantatic, a troll, or has the pleasure nodes in his or brain switched with the pain ones). I am not saying this for my own sake, I'm happy using Photoshop, but for the sake of FL/OSS in general. The lack of a decent graphics package This may not sound such a big deal, but without a *n?x version of Photoshop, and the Gimp being in the state it is, this effectively cuts out the viability of using a FL/OSS OS as a graphics workstation.

  • by UserGoogol ( 623581 ) on Sunday December 19, 2004 @08:34PM (#11133659)
    You make money off jobs, but there's rarely an expectation to make money off of a hobby.
  • by tdhillman ( 839276 ) * on Sunday December 19, 2004 @11:12PM (#11134472)
    I've been using the Gimp for four years now in an educational setting. For a variety of reasons, it is a compelling choice. 1. Students can use the Gimp at school and at home. It's a natural to stop them from violating copyright law. 2. The Gimp is a remarkable testimony to GNU software's ability to create powerful application software. 3. With limited documentation, The Gimp is perfect for teaching kids how to actually learn a software package. 4. Once they "get it," they appreciate what the Gimp can do for them. 5. There's no better way to teach them the real nature of cell animation. 6. For Unix kids, the Gimp is an awakening. When they move from Windows Gimp to Unix Gimp, they suddenly discover that the difficulties inherent in Windows file structure are an impediment to their computing. 7. Even of they move on to Photoshop, learning on the Gimp provides them a much better understanding of the nature of image manipulation. 8. It's not an easy answer. Kids like easy answers. 9. Nobody can figure out what the icon is, and it's hilarious when a kid shouts out "I love the gimp!"
  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 19, 2004 @11:33PM (#11134595)
    No kidding. For the toolset given, it does EXACTLY what you really want:

    -Colors are kept in an always-visible palette of "what you're using," rather than forcing the use of the gradient or color wheel. In the fine pixeling work one uses Paint for, "what you're using" is most important. One possible improvement would be include the colors used in the image over the defaults.
    -When you grab a color it immediately goes to painting with the new color(PS does nothing and GIMP OPENS the grabber box)
    -Selections are intuitive, if inflexible. When you pick something up the right button's color is left underneath. Layers would be nice to see but I doubt they'd ever appear.

    These small, most-used features are what continue to make Paint an appealing program even when its competition offers far more.

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