TV On Cellphones Ever Closer 217
Yurian writes "Seems that the new breed of cell-phones are being readied to receive digital TV. The standard has been finalized and handsets are in test.
The emergence of DVB-H explains a puzzling purchase made last year by Crown Castle of Houston, Texas. The company, which runs the BBC's transmitter network in the UK, paid $12 million for a 5-megahertz slice of coast-to-coast radio spectrum in the US.
At the time no one knew why. But Crown Castle transmitters near Pittsburgh are already broadcasting DVB-H to prototype Nokia mobile TV phones. That purchase may turn out to be an amazing bargain, considering other operators paid billions for 3G licenses which were originally meant to deliver video services."
Location (Score:3, Interesting)
-b0lt
Re:Location (Score:4, Informative)
Will I be able to buy/build a device to receive this signal and decode it? Will I have to pay any monthly fees for this?
It would be great to use my laptop to receive this service. Much bigger screen, better speakers.
Re:Location (Score:2)
let's be realistic (Score:2)
I'm a huge advocate for Open Source, etc. as I imagine you are. But you're setting unrealistic expectations here. Every product can't be "open". These guys put up capital to buy a range of the broadcast spectrum. They're going to need to recoup their investment and then some. So, yes. They're going to charge fees.
If you're looking for a 'free' laptop TV solution, here you go. USB TV tuner with linux drivers. [sourceforge.net] It'll pull in whatever normal broadcast tv you can receive.
Re:Location (Score:3, Informative)
Seriously, hooray for Pittsburgh (I live here too), but there's almost no reason for it -- people here are so happy with dialup, if they even bother with the Internet anyway.
Re:Location (Score:2)
-b0lt
UK users.. (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:UK users.. (Score:2)
If you have no TV licence for home then the answer is maybe. It depends on several factors, including how these devices are classified, whether you actually watch live TV on them or not, etc. I think it's unlikely though.
Right now you have video mobile phones in the UK on which you can receive sports highlights, etc and you don't a TV licence for those,
Correction... (Score:2)
I was a bit over-zealous with my editing down of what I'd originally typed. Mea culpa.
Re:Don't buy it (Score:2)
As for "getting over it", this seems like one of the best reasons for a corporate death penalty. Why is it that individuals who commit treason are executed, but when a corporation does it, it's ok? Even if you arrest (and hopefully execute) the corporate officers for treason, the company will still go on with a bad reputation, and many employees who profitted wrongly will get away. I think the government should simply seize all corporate assets, do
Who needs this? (Score:1, Interesting)
Re:Who needs this? (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Who needs this? (Score:2)
Re:Who needs this? (Score:2)
Re:Who needs this? (Score:1)
Re:Who needs this? (Score:3, Interesting)
For example, you could have a subway scheduals when your in the subway, movie trailers when your waiting in line at the theatre etc.
Re:Who needs this? (Score:1)
Re:Who needs this? (Score:2)
then a PAN would truly be within reach
Re:Who needs this? (Score:2)
Bah! (Score:2)
Re:Who needs this? (Score:2)
Re:Who needs this? (Score:2)
Who really needs to post comments on Slashdot? We could be out reading books to sick children!!!
Re:Who needs this? (Score:2)
Obvious questions are... (Score:4, Funny)
And how about the "roamability" when you're in another country using other standards?
While it's good to have all-in-one gadgets, there are things that just can't be integrated. I think a make-up mirror is good on a phone so that you can talk while looking/grooming yourself, or maybe a ear-cleaner that cleans your ear while you're on the phone?
Re:Obvious questions are... (Score:1)
Re:Obvious questions are... (Score:1)
I have been using my Nokia 3650 as a portable video player for a while now, and I love it. The problem is, I can only fit a certain amount of pre-recorded video on the memory card. It would be great to get real-time news or other entertainment while sitting on the bus or the train.
The great thing about multi-function cell phones is that their purchase price is subsidized by the carrier. I understand that I'm pay
Re:Obvious questions are... (Score:3, Informative)
Well, the obvious question to me is what [3g.co.uk] is [pcworld.com] new [msnbc.com] about [dottocomu.com] this? [i4u.com]
Is it just because we're talking United States here? If you read through this thread, people are acting as if watching TV on a phone is some kind of new idea. (Your post being one example.) I mean the size of the screen and the battery life are not open questions, because TV-enabled phones have been on the market for over a year (if not more) around the world.
Am I missing something?
Thinking back... (Score:1, Offtopic)
(Usually my wife's.)
Another good idea (Score:2)
What's the point? (Score:1, Interesting)
A quick search on Google for "video short codes" brings up:
3 [3g.co.uk]
MX TELECOM [wapmx.com]
TV on phone? Bad idea (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:TV on phone? Bad idea (Score:3, Insightful)
--RJ
Re:TV on phone? Bad idea (Score:1)
Re:TV on phone? Bad idea (Score:2)
However, someone that's installing it themselves could wire it up any way they want; although it's illegal, who's going to check?
--RJ
Re:TV on phone? Bad idea (Score:1)
Some people have an unstoppable Will To Stupid.
Re:TV on phone? Bad idea (Score:1)
--RJ
Re:TV on phone? Bad idea (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:TV on phone? Bad idea (Score:2)
Re:TV on phone? Bad idea (Score:2)
The line "While talking on the phone a (good) driver can still be aware of the road and vehicles around him and pay closer attention to driving than to the conversation at hand." Paying closer attention to one thing than another still pretty much says that you aren't paying complete attention to either task.
Re:TV on phone? Bad idea (Score:2)
Re:TV on phone? Bad idea (Score:2)
Yes, but I'm low on karma as well.
Re:TV on phone? Bad idea (Score:2)
But have looked around you on the subway lately? Escaping from reality and avoiding interaction with others seems like a good thing. Especially if it can distract me from the smells.
One word people... deodorant.
Great (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Great (Score:3)
Absolutely!
I don't know about anyone else, but my very existance is validated by regular {Take Metamucil!} dosages {Viagra Tonight!} of the essential {This is your brain on Drugs!} messages {The BMW 760Li: Making you more of a man then men themselves!} that make life {DeBeers: What every whore wants for Xmas!} worthwhile.
I can truly say that my superiority {The Sim
Re:Great (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Great (Score:2)
Why is it that cell phone users never get any credit, even though at least half of us have one?
One guy in a theater with 400 people in it forgets to turn his phone off and it rings. Damn those annoying cell phones that every single person has and abuses!
Watch out! Here comes television! Now we can attack the priorities of these people! Well now they'll never
Re:Great (Score:2)
I am not high and mighty, it's they who are less than scum.
phew. went off on a rant there
Re:Great (Score:2)
See how ya just went from I to they there? That's why some get defensive. I'm not guilty.
Re:Great (Score:2)
Batt life (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Batt life (Score:2)
Uh, you don't have to watch the news. Just like I don't use or want the text messaging feature my phone has.
--RJ
Re:Batt life (Score:1)
cell-phone TV is bunk (Score:2, Insightful)
I guess that the market wouldn't be for whole TV shows, but for short clips like sports highlights and maybe music videos. Still, who needs it? We already have pocket-sized portable TVs, and how often do you see some
Re:cell-phone TV is bunk (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:cell-phone TV is bunk (Score:2)
Now, a cellphone with a high-res, high-contrast screen for reading books would be nice. But that's just a fantasy, since if this ever were implemented, you'd have to download any books from your provider, and pay a big fee for each one, and wouldn't be able to share them with anyone (even if they're 400-year-old Shak
Who wants to watch TV on a postage stamp screen? (Score:4, Insightful)
Some products were not made to be combined. A cell phone iPod combination makes sense, a cell phone TV doesn't. HDTV on your cellphone screen is even sillier. You want a screen at least 5cm square, 10cm for HD.
Re:Who wants to watch TV on a postage stamp screen (Score:4, Funny)
I imagine that a combination of sidetalkin + small mirror would provide an adequate solution...
Re:Who wants to watch TV on a postage stamp screen (Score:2)
What's next, cable cell phones?
Re:Who wants to watch TV on a postage stamp screen (Score:2)
I was playing with a phone this afternoon with a screen 5cm square, and only a few mm thick. Talking about TV and HDTV doesn't make any sense. Surely it will be a digitally encoded low-res signal tailored to small screens. I know a number of people that pay good money just to get the football (socce
Re:Who wants to watch TV on a postage stamp screen (Score:2)
A hands-free/headset. Either wired or Bluetooth.
Re:Who wants to watch TV on a postage stamp screen (Score:2)
Don't like the feature, thats fine, don't use it. But don't condemn an entire generation that is used to, and demands, all of their media at their fingertips.
Just great... (Score:2)
TV on your wrist watch (Score:2)
seen it (Score:2, Interesting)
Perhaps someday I'll understand why the mobile phone has become a target for all entertainment. I never thought ringtones could become a multi-billion dollar business, but it is. Maybe TV-on-mobile will b
I already have it! (Score:2, Interesting)
It's not exactly something I do a lot of, but it is cool to show people. The quality is roughly equivalent to RealMedia files circa 1997. Damn Optus and it's slow GPRS network
What I really need... (Score:4, Funny)
Re:What I really need... (Score:2)
Don't forget... (Score:2)
Oblig... (Score:2)
How difficult to become a content provider? (Score:3, Insightful)
Really, a reliable cell phone is key, but if manufacturers are going to include bells and whistles, it makes sense to engineer them properly -- Nokia's 3650 rotary-dial keypad is a really bad idea, but I'm stuck with it if I want bluetooth, IR, and MMC card slot.
Re:How difficult to become a content provider? (Score:2)
You could get a 3660 which has a normal keypad.
Or a Nokia 6600. Or 7610. Or one of the many other Series60 phones. Not all of them have IR though.
None of them are as weird as the 3650 though. Except for the one that's the size of a lipstick container and is voice operated...
Bandwidth (Score:2)
Is this going to be awesome at first, then they get overzealous and compress the crap out of everything?
Why a new standard? (Score:3, Insightful)
An example of where TV-on-cellphones would be useful.... on September 11th, is there any doubt that if most people had TV-on-cellphones, that everyone not near a TV would have been glued to their cell phone, watching video clips?
Anyway, my main question is... why come up with a new standard? It seems like most cell phones will support TCP/IP in the future.... why not simply use any/all of the existing streaming-video standards that are available? (eg. Windows Media, Real, MPEG... most of these already have embedded implementations).
Re:Why a new standard? (Score:2)
With my unlimited Sprint vision service (their name for mobile internet access), I get the Mobi-TV monthly service bascially for free as Sprint provides a $10 credit for download content which is what Mobi-TV costs pe
Great. Just Keep 'Em Away From Drivers (Score:2)
TV/movies on phone is going to be big (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:TV/movies on phone is going to be big (Score:2)
Old news in sheep's clothing? (Score:2)
I'd like a cell phone that could receive (Score:2)
I have no problem with this (Score:2)
As long as they design it so you HAVE to plug in an earbud or something to hear the broadcasts sound, I don't really see this being a big deal though.
w/ current battery life, this could lower annoying cellphone use as a whole. Oops killed my battery watchin' 5 mins of CSI, guess I can't take any calls at the theatre.
Nokia 7710 (Score:2, Informative)
positive points (Score:2)
-News clips.
-Short video clips.
yes, someone WILL think of a good way to use this service.
disclaimer: I don't necessarily think this is a great idea.
Re:positive points (Score:2)
Porn on your cell phone.
Already happening... (Score:2)
In Korea, only old people watch TV on their mobiles...
Sprint TV (Score:2)
From this page:
Sprint TV - This comprehensive basic service presents a variety of content from familiar brands. Think of it as "basic cable" for your phone.
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Astonishing (Score:2)
Re:Astonishing (Score:2)
TV on cellphone is useful, but why digital only? (Score:2)
It's not in the box... (Score:2)
What's a parent to do? (Score:2)
At that point, what's a parent to do when he wants to get his kid a cellphone, but he doesn't want her hauling around a TV everywhere she goes--including school?
Re:What's so good? (Score:1)
I can repeat this if you want... (Score:3, Insightful)
The people who provide monthly cell service (the carriers) often make a profit by choosing low-bitrate codecs, as well as over-subscribing cell towers, and thus frequently dropping calls when a cell tower reaches its capacity. 95% cell tower utilization = more profit for the carrier. 95% cell tower utilization = crappy quality for the custome
Re:ive said it befroe, and ill say it again. (Score:2)
Re:ive said it befroe, and ill say it again. (Score:3, Informative)
bitch about the network or the chosen tech if it's crap where you are. the phone manufacturers can't do miracles and nor will the network manufacturers build the networks for free for cheapass operators if they don't want to cough of the dough(apparently stupid tie-in plans make better marketing than proper networks in some places).
Re:ive said it befroe, and ill say it again. (Score:2)
Re:there goes my karma... (Score:2, Informative)
From 2006, mobile phones will be offering crisp, clear TV pictures. But the pictures will not be coming over the cellphone network - they will be sent from transmitters already used for TV broadcasts. And this means a completely new breed of phones will be necessary to pick them up.
Mod parent up please (Score:2)
Re:there goes my karma... (Score:2)
Having said that, I have only sent a couple vids, except for the "test" ones at first.
Re:Already had it in Japan (Score:2)
Though what you said about TV phones is true. Not sure why US needs some special broadcasting system to send TV to celphones, when some Japanese celphones can displ