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Auto Accident at SANE Conference Kills One 542

Posted by michael
from the turn-down-a-glass dept.
Several people have submitted news from SANE 2004 that a car crash involving several Free Software developers has killed one and injured two others. Richard Stallman was in the car earlier but apparently had been dropped off prior to the accident.
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Auto Accident at SANE Conference Kills One

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  • by FunWithHeadlines (644929) on Thursday September 30, 2004 @10:57AM (#10394636) Homepage
    My deepest sympathy to the family and friends of the loved one they lost.
    • Prayers (Score:2, Insightful)

      by thefatz (97467)
      For those of us who hold onto our faith dearly, a simple prayer.

      "God, I ask you bless and comfort those who are grieving in this time of loss. I ask you bless the Bakker family, and be with the those who have lost a good friend. Allow the loved ones to seek closure for Mr. Bakker. In Jesus name, amen"
  • In case of /. effect (Score:5, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 30, 2004 @10:57AM (#10394646)
    Report as of 10:56 EDT:

    Car accident details

    There have been a bunch of rumours about a car accident involving some free software folks today. Since there seems to be no central place for all information I am trying to gather all information here.

    If you have any other information please drop me an email at wichert@wiggy.net [mailto]

    All mentioned times are in CEST (UTC +0200).

    • There has been a car accident returning from a trip to bring Richard Stallman (RMS) from SANE 2004 [nluug.nl] to Paris. (confirmed by several sources)
    • they collided with a truck which merged onto their lane while driving in fog (unconfirmed)
    • Exact time of the accident is unknown. It was on the morning of September 30th before 09:00.
    • Richard Stallman was dropped off in Paris and no longer in the car (confirmed by Rop and Richard).
    • At the time of the accident Hans Bakker (mclightje), Edwin Hermans (madeddie) [madtech.cx], and Sebastian S. (webmind) were in the car. (confirmed).
    • The car belongs to Rop Gonggrijp, who lent it to the travelers. RMS was staying with Rop during SANE. (confirmed by Rop)
    • Hans Bakker (photo [slashdot.org], homepage [www.hans.cx]) did not survive the crash. (confirmed by girlfriend)
    • Edwin Hermans has a broken hip and has been transfered to a different hospital for surgery. Sebastian is (or was by now) in surgery for broken bones but is not in critical condition.
    Bad information Press
    • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 30, 2004 @11:03AM (#10394736)
      As reported by Webwereld, the site http://www.ne2000.nl/ has been switched to black after the loss of Hans Bakker.
    • by boa13 (548222) on Thursday September 30, 2004 @11:35AM (#10395261) Homepage Journal
      The Yahoo France accident report appears to be the correct one, but it is missing one line, the time of the accident: 30-09-2004 06:48, which is consistent with what is reported by Wichert. The time you see on Yahoo (13:50) is the time the road was cleared, and the traffic jam dissolved.

      All other informations in the accident report (highway, location, direction, vehicles) is consistent with what has been reported here.

      The fog condition is not unlikely early morning in that area, at this time of the year. Unfortunately, many others have died in similar crashes (sometimes dozens of cars crashing one after the other).

      Here's a more complete and hopefully stable URL to Infotrafic web-site: http://www.infotrafic.com/perturbations.php?Region =NORD&AC=1774966287 [infotrafic.com].

      (Note: it appears that when Infotrafic is under heavy load, they redirect to a single summary page of traffic condition around Paris - try again later, then.)
    • Eye witness report (Score:5, Informative)

      by anticypher (48312) <anticypher&gmail,com> on Thursday September 30, 2004 @08:51PM (#10400545) Homepage
      I saw this accident scene this morning. Driving back from Paris to Brussels, there was a large traffic jam which took about 20 minutes to get through. The accident occured just after a rest stop, just after the point where the rest stop traffic merges back into the autoroute. Since its where I usually stop for a rest about an hour north of Paris, I can imagine they either stopped for a rest and were merging back onto the autoroute, or else they got caught in a bunch of trucks scooting around someone merging slowly. Lots of accidents happen at the far end of rest areas. It was pretty foggy this morning, its that season.

      There was quite a bit of heavy equipment on the scene, a mobile crane on the slip road, and a bucket-crane truck with a dump truck picking up what was left of the one truck's load, it looked like scrap metal. There was the cab and remnants of a trailer, very shredded, on flatbed trucks on the slip road. There was obviously a fire, since parts of the guard rail were burned, and the asphalt was scorched. There were some Pompiers (firefighters) and about a dozen Gendarmes from the B.E.A (Bureau d'Enquetes Accidents) standing around, but they had obviously finished all of their report gathering by 10:30 AM when I passed.

      I know Rop, and I've probably met the others at various linux/hac-tic/2600/CCC/EC patent protest events. My heart goes out to the families and loved ones of those involved, and here is wishes for a speedy recovery for the injured. This accident affects all of us in the techie, hacker-in-the-good-sense-of-the-word, and linux scenes here in Europe. Lets remember Hans for the good things he accomplished in his life.

      the AC
  • by SocietyoftheFist (316444) on Thursday September 30, 2004 @10:58AM (#10394662)
    ..and the first 3 posts I see are jokes about it.
    • by lukewarmfusion (726141) on Thursday September 30, 2004 @11:16AM (#10394932) Homepage Journal
      I don't see any jokes right now...

      But I can understand. My first reaction to bad news, once the shock begins to fade, is to crack jokes. That's my way of dealing with stuff like this. My brother was in a horrible accident and I was the first person to find out and meet him at the hospital. The first words out his mouth, while lying on the emergency room table, were "Sorry about your car, man."

      Yes, it's sad. Yes, it's awful that such things happen. But laughter is another way of coping with tragedy... don't rush to condemn the jokes.
      • by SocietyoftheFist (316444) on Thursday September 30, 2004 @11:21AM (#10395038)
        When it's personal or when it is your job to deal with anothers death I can see it. I have friends that routinely recover bodies, they are volunteer rescuers. Together when they are retrieving victims they'll make jokes but are sure to not say anything in public. The anguish I've seen on their faces when talking about things later belies the jokes during the recovery. I know laughter helps us cope but the jokes I saw were not of a coping nature.
    • by a_nonamiss (743253) on Thursday September 30, 2004 @11:58AM (#10395404)
      "Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh."
      - George Bernard Shaw

      I'm not defending morons, just trying to lighten the heavy mood.
    • by TrentL (761772) on Thursday September 30, 2004 @01:23PM (#10396479) Homepage
      ...has definitely lowered the discourse on Slashdot. 90% of the people who post just want to get modded to +5 funny. It would probably be better to retire the Funny modifier for a couple weeks so people can practice posting useful comments.
      • I strongly agree. In meta-moderation I have a much higher bar for 'funniness' than I do in real life only because of the problem you mentioned. I was afraid my concerns about "funny" moderation being too easy to obtain were only minority concerns, but you got +5 by voicing yours. That makes me want to step forward also.

        I used to get moderator points somewhat regularly, and meta-moderated somewhat regularly. But since I started raising my personal bar for 'funny' or 'unfunny' on slashdot and meta-modera
    • I don't see any now. Your moderation system at work. It's not immediate but it does it's job very well.
  • I'd like to send condolences to Mr. Bakker's family and friends for their loss, and hope the others recover quickly.

    Now post a story I can make fun of, quick!!!
  • I'm shivering... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by smari (257143) <(spm) (at) (vlug.eyjar.is)> on Thursday September 30, 2004 @11:01AM (#10394702) Homepage
    Shit. I know one of those guys. It's messed up to read something like that on /.
  • Condolances (Score:5, Insightful)

    by TheFlyingGoat (161967) on Thursday September 30, 2004 @11:02AM (#10394718) Homepage Journal
    Condolances to the family and friends of the individual killed. Good luck on a quick recovery to the injured individuals.

    It's always sad when people die, but when they're connected to you in some way (even an abstract way), it hits a little harder. Any Christians (or other faiths, for that matter) should say a quick prayer for everyone involved.

    As for the /. crowd that needs to try making a joke out of it (Gates/MS jokes), try and imagine if the individual who died was your father, or brother. If you can still make a joke about it, you're sick.
    • Re:Condolances (Score:5, Insightful)

      by ajk (944) * <gaia@iki.fi> on Thursday September 30, 2004 @11:04AM (#10394748) Homepage
      As for the /. crowd that needs to try making a joke out of it (Gates/MS jokes), try and imagine if the individual who died was your father, or brother. If you can still make a joke about it, you're sick.

      Some people deal by making jokes. That's quite normal.

      • Re:Condolances (Score:4, Insightful)

        by lachlan76 (770870) on Thursday September 30, 2004 @11:28AM (#10395143)
        Imagine if your father or brother or best friend died, and you see all these jokes. Would that be a good thing?

        Take a look at -1. Those aren't people dealing, they're people who don't care about the lives of other people.
      • Re:Condolances (Score:5, Insightful)

        by jemfinch (94833) on Thursday September 30, 2004 @11:32AM (#10395205) Homepage
        Some people deal by making jokes. That's quite normal.

        And some people are just irreverent, insensitive dorks. That's quite normal as well, but its normalcy doesn't mean we should encourage or otherwise condone their social incompetency.

        Jeremy
        • For my funeral (Score:5, Insightful)

          by phorm (591458) on Thursday September 30, 2004 @12:42PM (#10395869) Journal
          I'm hoping that at least one of my friends or family can find the courage and heart to make a joke. Mind you, it should be made at the appropriate time. At the only funeral we went to, we talked a lot about my friend's life, and made quips about how "Adults Only Video" would probably go bankrupt without his business. He would have appreciated the joke... we made much the same remarks when he was with us.

          Now, for people who don't really know the deceased to make such comments, it just isn't appropriate. It also depends on the character of the person involved in the tragedy. A joke should bring light smiles and help offer some balm to the wounds of those affected, not simply be the attention-seeking acts of immaturity we unfortunately tend to see online.
        • Re:Condolances (Score:3, Insightful)

          by apankrat (314147)

          And some people are just irreverent, insensitive dorks. That's quite normal as well, but its normalcy doesn't mean we should encourage or otherwise condone their social incompetency.


          And there are also dorks of a different kind - they storm to offer public condolences because an OpenSource (ah!) developer, whom they neither know nor even heard of before, rode in a car with RMS (oh!) and lost his life to a car accident. If you are such a good hearted person, go and email relatives, don't show it off here.
      • Re:Condolances (Score:3, Insightful)

        by JamesTRexx (675890)
        I agree.
        If I can't find some way to joke and laugh about things, they really pull me down in a depression.
        For that reason I want the people that know me to have a good laugh and party when I die, and not mourn or feel bad because I should be at a much better place.

        Besides, they'll just be too happy to finally be rid of me anyway. :-P
    • If you can still make a joke about it, you're sick.
      Laughing at death is one way of dealing with our own inevitable mortality.
    • Re:Condolances (Score:4, Insightful)

      by iso (87585) <slash AT warpzero DOT info> on Thursday September 30, 2004 @11:26AM (#10395122) Homepage
      If you can still make a joke about it, you're sick.

      Personally I would rather have someone make an innocent joke at a time like this than ask me to "pray." Different things offend different people. I personally find public displays of religion offensive (seriously), especially if it's stated that others should join in, as you did.

    • Re:Condolances (Score:4, Interesting)

      by Loco3KGT (141999) on Thursday September 30, 2004 @11:36AM (#10395270)
      Let me introduce you to my family...

      My grandmother recently passed away. While at the funeral home reviewing the work of the embalmer (or whoever puts on the makeup/etc) the funeral director asked what they thought. My Mother made the comment that they had done an excellent job and that she looked wonderful. My Uncle said, and I'll never forget it...

      "Yes, she looks great. So great that I'm thinking of bringing my wife down here."

      Sometimes you just have to make light of the situation if you're going to try to get through it. I don't think there's a single /.er on here that is happy because this event happened and of the few jokes I've seen have none have been negative/insensitive.
    • Re:Condolances (Score:5, Interesting)

      by DunbarTheInept (764) on Thursday September 30, 2004 @04:02PM (#10398227) Homepage

      Any Christians (or other faiths, for that matter) should say a quick prayer for everyone involved.

      Why? Being an outsider to religion, this is one of the notions about it that always seemed self-contradictory to me. The god as described by most religions wouldn't re-assign his distribution of benevolence based on a popular vote. To say that a lot of people praying for someone else has an effect on that person leads directly to the conclusion that god cares more about famous sufferers than anonymous ones. And that doesn't fit the personality most religions ascribe to their god. It just doesn't seem consistent at all to me.

      Now, praying about other people's misfortunes might be a way to demonstrate to your god that you aren't selfish, but according to the tenets of most religions, it really shouldn't have any effect on them at all, but maybe it would have some effect on you, and make *you* feel better about it.

  • by Yaa 101 (664725) on Thursday September 30, 2004 @11:03AM (#10394733) Journal
    Yesterday I was demonstrating on the dam square in Amsterdam with some of the people involved. I want to express my deepest respect...
  • Coralize it first!!! (Score:5, Informative)

    by hacker (14635) <hacker@gnu-designs.com> on Thursday September 30, 2004 @11:03AM (#10394735)
    For those that want to see this article, please use the Coralized version:

    http://www.wiggy.net.nyud.net:8090/tmp/accident/

  • Sigh. (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Eeknay (766740) on Thursday September 30, 2004 @11:03AM (#10394739)
    It's really very sad and depressing to find that the first ten or fifteen comments of this article (yes, I browse at -1 level) are all offtopic and attempts at first post.

    My deepest sympathies to the family of that person killed.
  • by Saib0t (204692) <saibot@hesp e r i a - m u d.org> on Thursday September 30, 2004 @11:06AM (#10394777)
    Car accident details

    There have been a bunch of rumours about a car accident involving
    some free software folks today. Since there seems to be no central place
    for all information I am trying to gather all information here.

    If you have any other information please drop me an email
    at wichert at wiggy dot net

    All mentioned times are in CEST (UTC +0200).

    * There has been a car accident returning from a trip to bring Richard
    Stallman (RMS) from
    SANE 2004 to Paris.
    (confirmed by several sources)

    * they collided with a truck which merged onto their lane while
    driving in fog (unconfirmed)

    * Exact time of the accident is unknown. It was on the
    morning of September 30th before 09:00.

    * Richard Stallman was dropped off in Paris and no longer in the car
    (confirmed by Rop and Richard).

    * At the time of the accident Hans Bakker (mclightje),
    Edwin Hermans (madeddie), and
    Sebastian S. (webmind) were in the car. (confirmed).

    * The car belongs to Rop Gonggrijp, who lent it to the travelers.
    RMS was staying with Rop during SANE. (confirmed by Rop)

    * Hans Bakker (photo,
    homepage)
    did not survive the crash. (confirmed by girlfriend)

    * Edwin Hermans has a broken hip and has been transfered to a different
    hospital for surgery. Sebastian is (or was by now) in surgery for
    broken bones but is not in critical condition.
    * This appears to be the traffic report for the accident, as taken
    infotraffic.

    30-09-2004 13:50 ACCIDENT MORTEL &#224; ASSEVILLERS (80) sur A1 (sens SUD-NORD)
    ENTRE PERONNE ET ROYE
    Debut : 30-09-2004 06:48
    VICTIMES : 1 TUE(S)
    VEHICULES EN CAUSE : 2 POIDS LOURD(S), 3 VEHICULE(S) LEGER(S)
    OBSERVATIONS :SENS PARIS LILLE, SORTIE CONSEILL&#201;E A29 SAINT QUENTIN
    .BOUCHON DE 4 KM.
    Evenement termine depuis 30-09-2004 13:50
    Translation:
    30-09-2004 13:50 DEADLY CRASH at ASSEVILLERS(80) on A1 highway (SOUTH-NORTH)
    BETWEEN PERONNE AND ROYE
    Start: 30-09-2004 06:48
    VICTIMS: 1 KILLED
    VEHICLES INVOLVED: 2 TRUCKS, 3 CARS
    OBSERVATIONS: DIRECTION PARIS LILLE, EXIT RECOMMENDED A29 SAINT QUENTIN.
    TRAFFIC JAM 4 Km (2.5 miles)
    Event stopped since 30-09-2004 13:50
  • RMS & comp. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Libor Vanek (248963) <libor.vanekNO@SPAMgmail.com> on Thursday September 30, 2004 @11:07AM (#10394798) Homepage
    Never put RMS & Alan Cox & Linus in the very same car/plane or even building (just for sure ;-))). If you are paranoid it doesn't mean they aren't after you.

    P.S.
    Deepest condolences...
    • Re:RMS & comp. (Score:2, Interesting)

      by robslimo (587196)
      Too true. For a period in the early 1990's at my old job, I was part of a core of 4 key people (company even had 'key man' insurance on each of us). No more than 2 of us were allowed to travel on the same flight on business trips.

      • Re:RMS & comp. (Score:5, Interesting)

        by Martin Blank (154261) on Thursday September 30, 2004 @11:41AM (#10395376) Journal
        It used to be (before a new workload came crashing down on everyone) that occasionally a large group of us would go to lunch together in one guy's Suburban (nicknamed the War Wagon). The head of the division (who knows the network back and forth and one of two people with access to the firewalls and high-level ACLs), the head of security (the other guy with access to the firewalls and high-level ACLs and backup IDS man), the primary IDS guy, the head of the networking team, the head of the database team (and the only one who knows some of the more archaic systems), and the head of the remote access team, together with a couple of us peons, would all load up in the War Wagon. One day, the driver had to swerve to avoid what could have become a very bad accident, and we spent the lunch wondering how the rest of the division would recover from the loss of seven or eight people, five of whom were key to operations.
    • Re:RMS & comp. (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Chess_the_cat (653159) on Thursday September 30, 2004 @11:25AM (#10395103) Homepage
      I thought the whole point of Open Source was that it didn't rely on any one person. Or do you believe that when Linus dies Linux dies with him?
  • by sczimme (603413) on Thursday September 30, 2004 @11:10AM (#10394843)

    Please do not make any snarky comments about RMS getting out of the car before the accident. Regardless of your personal feelings, a person escaping potential serious injury or death should not be joke fodder - contrary to the first several posts.

    Condolences to the family of the deceased.
  • by jav1231 (539129) on Thursday September 30, 2004 @11:12AM (#10394882)
    It's always tough to lose someone so young. May you find some peace in this time of sorrow.
  • by WormholeFiend (674934) on Thursday September 30, 2004 @11:14AM (#10394907)
    Also, John E. Mack [telegraph.co.uk] was killed earlier this week after being hit by a drunk driver while crossing the street on foot.
  • Deepest condolences (Score:4, Interesting)

    by mattr (78516) <mattr@teleb[ ].com ['ody' in gap]> on Thursday September 30, 2004 @11:15AM (#10394921) Homepage Journal
    What a terrible loss. My deepest sympathies to the bereaved family, and hope the survivors return to health quickly.

    This is a time to think about how much all of the wonderful work in the free software world is based on the unselfish actions of precious individuals. Perhaps someone would like to post an accepted, confirmed email or physical address for people to send condolences or offers of assistance.

    One question to slashdot, I did not see anything yet about drinking and driving. So maybe the "turn down a glass department" byline is, while a good idea in general when you are the driver, in this case perhaps inappropriate.

    Matthew Rosin
    • by Wattsman (75726)
      I did a search on Google for "Turn down a glass" and didn't find what I was looking for, although I did find a link to the slashdot article when the Challenger space shuttle exploded.

      I don't think the byline "Turn down a glass" refers to drinking and driving. If you're at a restaurant where all of the glasses you may use for the evening are there (water, coffee, wine, etc), you turn down a glass (flip it over) to show that you won't be drinking any of it tonight. For example, I would turn my coffee cup o
  • http://images.google.com.au/images?q=Richard%20Sta llman&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab= wi [google.com.au] http://www.stallman.org/ [stallman.org] Richard Stallman founded the GNU Project in 1984. He is the principal or initial author of GNU Emacs, the GNU C Compiler, the GNU Debugger GDB and parts of other packages. He is the President of the Free Software Foundation (FSF).
  • by dimmu (214039) * on Thursday September 30, 2004 @11:18AM (#10394984) Homepage Journal
    Knowing hans since 1999 this is a real shock :( Condoleances to everybody who knew him :(

    We'll miss you!
    • I didn't know him but my condolances to his family, friends, and the people and projects that relied on him.

      I felt a little strange visting his personal site and reading his diary and seeing pictures knowing that those would be the last entries.

      Cheers to his life and the contributions he made to the world.

  • Safe professions (Score:2, Interesting)

    by the frizz (242326)
    In 1980 I remember my computer science professor saying his profession was the safest in the world - since no Professor of Computer Science in history had ever died. I believe it was true at the time.
  • by Mordaximus (566304) on Thursday September 30, 2004 @11:23AM (#10395072)
    The report says that the accident occured after dropping off Richard, this trip was specifically to bring him to Paris. I know in his place, I'd be blaming myself, that's my nature.

    For what it's worth : It wasn't your fault Mr. Stallman, so don't blame yourself. And my sympathies to the families involved.
  • Paypal fund (Score:4, Insightful)

    by macdaddy (38372) on Thursday September 30, 2004 @11:23AM (#10395074) Homepage Journal
    Would someone who knows the deceased set up a fund for the family so we /.ers can actually do something useful? At least start a pot for flowers or funeral expenses or something.

    BTW, does anyone know whether they were wearing seatbelts? Just just curious.

    • Re:Paypal fund (Score:3, Informative)

      by kasperd (592156)
      Would someone who knows the deceased set up a fund

      Unfortunately it is not unusual to see fake funds. Would you pay if you had no way of knowing if the fund was real?
  • Eddie (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Nexu (687889) <nexu.jinNO@SPAMgmail.com> on Thursday September 30, 2004 @11:24AM (#10395080)
    At 11:32 CEST i read a message on IRC from a friend that our buddy Madeddie was taken into a hospital in France. At that time i though it was a sick/silly joke, to realize 4 hours later that it wasn't a joke and that one of a fellow IRC regular was involved in the accident and died. I only hope that Madeddie and Webmind both are ok and back home soon. Madeddie, if you read this ... BETERSCHAP! My condoleances to Hans Bakker's family and gf.
  • shock (Score:3, Interesting)

    by John_Renne (176151) <zooi@gniffelnieuwAUDENs.net minus poet> on Thursday September 30, 2004 @11:25AM (#10395093) Homepage
    I didn't know Hans well but we hung around in the same IRC-channel. My deepest sympathy goes out to the family and friends that suffered from this tragic loss.

    Also a get well soon for the other guys in the car...
  • by Mentorix (620009) <slashdot@benben.com> on Thursday September 30, 2004 @11:25AM (#10395094)
    Hans Bakker was the organizer of several NE2000 camps. Ne2000 is a yearly event where about 200 people show up with their tents/campers/caravans and plug into the network, it's a fairly open source oriented happening. I've seen and spoken Hans around there although I wasn't a close friend of him or anything. He has also participated in several open source projects.

    The people involved in this car accident are all from the same fairly big group of "young" open source fans in The Netherlands that keep contact with each other over IRC and also IRL. Therefore I'm not surprised that this story was submitted by several readers. I hope this explains why it is important, I know I was shocked and saddened by the loss.
  • Support funds? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Keighvin (166133) on Thursday September 30, 2004 @11:25AM (#10395100)
    This is Slashdot - we well know the power of distributed community. Accidents like this are very costly ordeals, typically even with insurance. Can someone with the ability to make disbursement to these individuals (and the family of Mr. Bakker) set up accounts via PayPal (many mixed opinions, I know) or bank local to their residences for contributions and post the details?
  • Shocked (Score:4, Informative)

    by pigeon (909) on Thursday September 30, 2004 @11:27AM (#10395130) Homepage
    I knew Hans, the guy who died in the accident. I was very shocked, I met him only recently, and I just discovered that there was a picture of me on his site. Last time I spoke he told me he wanted to join geekcorps or something similar, to do something useful for the world. It pains me that that won't happen.
  • Thanks, Hans (Score:4, Interesting)

    by sabri (584428) * on Thursday September 30, 2004 @11:29AM (#10395161)
    Thanks for WAN, thanks for NE2000, thanks for your company on all LAN parties we shared, and your company in the Beiaard. And not to forget, IRC.

    Rest in peace.

  • by mantera (685223) on Thursday September 30, 2004 @11:37AM (#10395299)

    This is what I love about the OSS community; it's a community! People drive each other from and to places, stay at each others', and when something unfortunate like this happens you truly feel that it's a community where people care about their own.

    Here's what I feel we need to do; we need to put up a fund (donations) and a website to commemorate the OSS community members, and part (if not the vast majority of it, deservedly) of the mission/website fund ought keep their personal homepages and accounts on notable community portals (e.g. slashdot) alive, and be linked to from the website. Hans' personal homepage should **never** disappear due to lack of payment or activity, and it should not be left to his family members, hit by grief and possible loss of income, to do ensure that. Possibly too, condolences may be posted to one list that can be sent to his surviving folks. OSS members make personal sacrifices to be active members of the community and it'd be a nice tough to let their family members, who have likely been compromized financially by the opporutnity cost of their breadwinner being an active OSS member, ought to be let known that many many others care and are thankful for their contribution, whether it was code, logistical (hey, driving RMS is a big deal!), or even in spirit and enthausiasm.

  • Fitting tribute (Score:3, Interesting)

    by emtboy9 (99534) <jeff AT jefflane DOT org> on Thursday September 30, 2004 @11:39AM (#10395344) Homepage
    What a fitting tribute to someone who was a big part of our community... on the day of his death, we slashdot Hans' personal web space.
  • by crivens (112213) on Thursday September 30, 2004 @12:35PM (#10395804)
    But it's ok, as the Slashdot story states that Stallman wasn't killed. It's a sad world when a story tells me who wasn't killed and not who was (killed or injured). It's obvious that the poster thinks Stallman living is more important than someone dying. Shame on you!

    fame != importance
  • by JasonEngel (757582) on Thursday September 30, 2004 @12:57PM (#10396075)
    To state that "Richard Stallman was in the car earlier but apparently had been dropped off prior to the accident" is so incredibly RUDE and DISTASTEFUL and INSULTING, especially when the names of the dead and injured are left out. To even insinuate that we are all so lucky that Stallman wasn't hurt even tho these nameless folks got pasted infuriates me to no end. Heaps of SHAME and DISHONOR to the poster "michael" for his horrid thoughtlessness.
  • Ha ha ha (Score:3, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 30, 2004 @01:29PM (#10396552)
    There have been a bunch of rumours about a car accident involving some free software folks today. Hans Bakker (photo,homepage) did not survive the crash. (confirmed by girlfriend)

    Whew, you had me going there for a minute.

  • Showing Respects (Score:4, Interesting)

    by hyfe (641811) on Thursday September 30, 2004 @04:09PM (#10398296)
    Troll -1, Here I Come!

    Reading 100's of strangers passing their respect to yet somebody they've never met dieing gives me a funny feeling.

    How many people die each day? And of those, how many lead sorrowfull lives, filled with pain and suffering? How many of you pay a thought to them, and of those of you who do, are you willing to take a large dent in your own wealth to help them? Are you willing to spare your own time?

    Its a common fact that people really don't care about strangers, but this shirade of caring when the opportunity arises makes me want to puke.

    (To those who knew the victims, apologies for ranting, this was certainly not directed at you)

I've never been canoeing before, but I imagine there must be just a few simple heuristics you have to remember... Yes, don't fall out, and don't hit rocks.

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