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SunnComm - Bomb or DRM Success Story? 164

pacopico writes "The Register has one of best tech feature stories done in a long time on SunnComm - the infamous Shift key problem DRM makers. The story charts the awesome path SunnComm took from being an Elvis impersonator company eventually to creating CD protection technology almost out of thin air. Great read!"
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SunnComm - Bomb or DRM Success Story?

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  • Amazing story (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Marxist Hacker 42 ( 638312 ) * <seebert42@gmail.com> on Tuesday September 28, 2004 @02:12PM (#10375849) Homepage Journal
    Of Parasites taken over by Parasites- and searching for a business plan *after* creating the business and selling stock. Amazing that they were allowed to survive at all.
  • by NetMagi ( 547135 ) on Tuesday September 28, 2004 @02:13PM (#10375854)
    for getting them to respond to this. . .

    what's scary though is that it's things like this that scare ppl from any sort of .com of technology type investing.

    As a shareholder, I'd be mad too to find out you can defeat the copy protection by holding down the shift key. That's ABSURD!

  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 28, 2004 @02:20PM (#10375908)
    It's amazing how apt Leia's "the more you tighten your grip..." prediction is coming true for DRM: That DRM systems don't work [craphound.com].
  • by BobTheLawyer ( 692026 ) on Tuesday September 28, 2004 @02:20PM (#10375910)
    Jacobs' theory that the complaining Internet posters are motivated by making money from shorting SunnComm's stock is nonsense - it's very difficult to sell "short" (i.e. bet that a share goes down) when the share is obscure and rarely traded.

    A professional trader *might* be able to find someone willing to go "long" (take the other side of the bet) but it's pretty unlikely. Joe Public has no chance.
  • by Rude Turnip ( 49495 ) <valuation.gmail@com> on Tuesday September 28, 2004 @02:22PM (#10375924)
    "Hey, I think I'll invest in a company (Suncomm) that tries to install software behind the user's back and cripple their computer!"

    Anyone that invests in such a company deserves to lose the shirt off their back.
  • Comment removed (Score:5, Insightful)

    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Tuesday September 28, 2004 @02:23PM (#10375940)
    Comment removed based on user account deletion
  • by Ced_Ex ( 789138 ) on Tuesday September 28, 2004 @02:23PM (#10375942)
    This business doesn't seem to have any idea as to what it really wants to do. The CEO seems like the type of person that could be easily influenced by his surroundings.

    *CEO walking down street*
    "Hmm... I think I'll have a hot dog. Aren't they also called tube steaks? Steak! Maybe I'll run a steak restaurant. I'll need meat. But I need a butcher to cut it. Butcher shop..."

    This guy just doesn't have any focus. If he just stuck to one plan and worked at it, he'd actually have a legitimate business rather than a mirage.

    How on earth does a business that lives off shams stay afloat for so long?!?
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 28, 2004 @02:23PM (#10375948)
    They've gone from impersonating Elvis to impersonating DRM. At least they're consistant.
  • by doodlelogic ( 773522 ) on Tuesday September 28, 2004 @02:29PM (#10376009)
    And they are not happy [sunncomm.com].

    I don't know what American libel laws are like, but here in Britain, what was said about the Register's journalistic practices would, if unprovable, cause SunnComm some trouble...

    'Its funny. No one in the legitimate news community would touch the OurStreet dirt package with a 10-foot pole. Theyve been trying to find such a dupe for a year. Our Oregon friend from OurStreet must be jumping up and down with glee that finally he found his "patsy."'

    ' Mr. Vance proceeded to mischaracterize the source purposely in the article even after being told otherwise. In other words, Mr. Vance purposely made a decision to carry the water for OurStreet.Com even after knowing of the possibility that his source had lied to him about his standing.'

    'he didnt bother to fact-check his single main source'

    Needless to say, from a regular reader of the Register's perspective, these allegations seem extreme. However, I must say, the SunnComm director is very reassuring: "SunnComm is NOT a get rich quick scheme" - a Nigerian friend of mine told me the same thing the other week.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 28, 2004 @02:32PM (#10376044)

    I'm listening to a mp3 rip of Velvet Revolver

    Well, the DRM may have failed, but the marketing machine certainly won.

    Velvet Revolver is about as far from good music as you can get.

  • by Xentax ( 201517 ) on Tuesday September 28, 2004 @02:35PM (#10376067)
    Considering that the shift key is an OS feature - disable autoplay for *whatever* CD/DVD is being inserted - I (in my very personal opinion) don't think this could successfully be argued as copyright circumvention. After all, the shift-key-bypass predates the technology being "circumvented" using it...

    Xentax
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 28, 2004 @03:01PM (#10376318)
    Bzzt. Nice try. DRM systems DO work. You find very few Joe Averages copying videotapes, due to Macrovision. Also, its very hard for one who doesn't want to take risks with fly-by-night Taiwanese firms to find a de-Macrovision device.

    Also, though DVD may be cracked, as well as FairPlay, there are absolutely no cracks for WMA, OpenMG, or other formats -- Sony and Microsoft have done their job well.

  • Re:Amazing story (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Gilmoure ( 18428 ) on Tuesday September 28, 2004 @03:02PM (#10376328) Journal
    This CEO guy makes more money than me, right?

    Why the hell did I ever learn how to do something useful and helpful to others?
  • by geomon ( 78680 ) on Tuesday September 28, 2004 @03:03PM (#10376351) Homepage Journal
    This is really an article about corporate predators and the nature of Business As Usual (TM).

    WHINE ALERT!!!!

    And what would you have done in his place? Folded the company?

    What many of the posters on this thread fail to realize is that this guy, and thousands of CEOs like him, have a FIDUCIARY responsibility to their shareholders to return value. That is how capital markets work. If they fail to do their jobs, they will be terminated. If they are negligent in carrying out their duties, they will be sued.

    These people are tasked with doing everything within the bounds of the law to return value to the shareholder.

    Your 401K wouldn't be worth a dime if it weren't for them.

    Unfortunately, not all of them operate above the law. That's what makes them such easy targets for anti-capitalists.

  • [applauds] (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 28, 2004 @03:32PM (#10376670)

    Mod parent up.

    Couldn't have said it better myself. If your responsibility is to make money, by hook or by crook, you're living a perverted form of capitalism. Capitalism is supposed to reward people for innovating and producing--not to reward people who pretend to produce and do it well. If your real goal is innovation, you will make your money.

  • by swb ( 14022 ) on Tuesday September 28, 2004 @03:43PM (#10376808)
    That's what scares me the most about "business" anymore. It's no longer about wanting to run an organization, create or sell a compelling product. It's all about finding and using gimmicks to ultimately make yourself wealthy, whether those gimmicks are patents, copyrights, or semi-fraudulent business practices.

    I think a lot of our economy is built this way, and I think that it's largely what they've been teaching in business schools -- outsource everything but your core marketing staff. It makes you a more "pure" businessman.
  • Success story (Score:3, Insightful)

    by dtfinch ( 661405 ) * on Tuesday September 28, 2004 @04:06PM (#10377070) Journal
    They made a fortune peddling their snake oil resulting from a minimal software development investment. If they don't lose it all in class action suits I'd consider it a success (for them).
  • by LnxAddct ( 679316 ) <sgk25@drexel.edu> on Tuesday September 28, 2004 @04:43PM (#10377475)
    I just think no one wants to use those formats. I don't believe I've *ever* seen a WMA or OpenMG file, although I know they exist. Just out of curiosity, anyone know how these formats encrypt or where I can get specs for it? Regardless, anyone with a decent sound setup can just loop the analog out back in and record, a little time consuming but it only needs to be done once to be enjoyed by millions.
    Regards,
    Steve
    P.S. Doesn't real claim intercompatibility with WMA? Not sure if they licensed it or reverse engineered it like they did with Apple.
  • by Al Dimond ( 792444 ) on Tuesday September 28, 2004 @04:45PM (#10377495) Journal
    "Speculators may do no harm as bubbles on a steady stream of enterprise. But the position is serious when enterprise becomes the bubble on a whirlpool of speculation." - John Keynes (1936)

    (although he meant that in a macroeconomic sense and this is the case of one company, I think it's still apt.)
  • by Hatta ( 162192 ) on Tuesday September 28, 2004 @04:55PM (#10377581) Journal
    Bzzt. Nice try. DRM systems DO work. You find very few Joe Averages copying videotapes, due to Macrovision. Also, its very hard for one who doesn't want to take risks with fly-by-night Taiwanese firms to find a de-Macrovision device.

    Thing is, in this digital age, it only takes one person to crack the DRM scheme once, and the unprotected content can be copied perfectly around the world.

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