Interview With BBC Dirac Developer Thomas Davis 170
arclightfire writes "The subject of the BBC video codec Dirac has been here before, but we've managed to get an interview with Thomas Davies, Senior R&D Engineer at the BBC who devised the Dirac algorithm. Interesting to note that the codec should be with Mplayer soon; "As far as players go, we'll be submitting a patch to Mplayer to allow it to play Dirac pretty soon." And info about the tech developments in Dirac; "I used tried and techniques, like wavelets, which weren't in standards at the time, and tried to develop them. And that's what we'll continue to do as the algorithm develops. So we've tried to build on some pretty well-understood technology, and also tried to do some new things with it. We're patenting the new stuff, quite a bit of which hasn't got into the software yet. The license means that these patents are licensed for free within the Dirac software.""
Re:Why bother? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Now... (Score:2, Insightful)
Microsoft Research lives at Cambridge. They would be very interested in innovative compression techinques.
openness is hardly a concern to mplayer developers (Score:3, Insightful)
Bullshit. Every MPEG standard implementor is -supposed- to pay royalties. But I don't see any projects which support mpeg video and audio- doing so. I also don't see anyone chasing them down for the royalties. The general consensus is that if you don't make money off it, nobody will chase you down for the royalties; they're happy with the revenue stream from commercial software.
Further, if you bothered to read up [wikipedia.org], you'd note that there's a reference implementation with downloadable source code, and documents on the (ahem) ISO standard.
Also, listening to someone complain about proprietary technology and "openness" being a hinderance is pretty funny in the context of Mplayer [debian.org], considering that the developers distribute codec packs consisting of commercial software (specifically DLL files) they're -not allowed to distribute- from Microsoft, Real, Apple, Intel, and many others. Dozens of proprietary video and audio formats are included.
Re:openness is hardly a concern to mplayer develop (Score:3, Insightful)
Which is legal in Hungary. Welcome to the internet, son.
I can't help but wonder just how YOU came to know about them, you being such an upstanding citizen and all. Hmmm?
BBC Commitment to Open Standards (Score:3, Insightful)
Yeah... a Real [bbc.co.uk] strong commitment.
There's a list of excuses for their audio streams here [bbc.co.uk]. (No, you may not: cue / rewind / download the stuff the license [bbc.co.uk] payers paid to produce.)
Hopefully they'll sort out their copyright / rights management issues and delivery by the time dirac comes out. Frankly, it couldn't make things worse.
Re:openness is hardly a concern to mplayer develop (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:openness is hardly a concern to mplayer develop (Score:3, Insightful)
Just because noone has filed suit yet means nothing.
If you want desktop linux to have a chance there have to be popular patent-free multimedia formats that it can use.
There really is no point in promulgating any more mental-prison ware than strictly necessary. When new codecs are being developed, it only makes sense to throw your support behind the free ones when you have a choice.
(iow, Dirac + ogg in an mkv container could save your soul
but when.. (Score:3, Insightful)
The BBC is funded by people paying a licence to watch TV in the UK (it is illegal not to have one and watch TV in your place of residences). Now 99% of these people arn't geeks and won't use a codec, why are they paying for it?
Re:Why not use OGG Theora? (Score:3, Insightful)
Warez codecs are holding back free multimedia (Score:3, Insightful)
Given the Dirac developers' attitudes, I would expect them to be more likely to contribute to legal multimedia frameworks like GStreamer or Helix. Maybe the point of Dirac/Mplayer integration is popularity at any cost, in which case the cost will be a semi-underground existence.
A reference implementation and ISO standard doesn't do me (or Fedora or Ubuntu etc.) much good; it's still patent-encumbered and thus not free.
Re:Why not use OGG Theora? (Score:1, Insightful)
Re:openness is hardly a concern to mplayer develop (Score:4, Insightful)
Good point. One for you: Do you think the BBC will have to pay royalties if they use H.264?
Re:but when.. (Score:4, Insightful)
Because in the future they will be using it (or something like it) and if the BBC don't sort something out right now - in ten years time we'll all be needing Microsoft's permission to view what their PR department doesn't object to.
Re:network television (Score:3, Insightful)
Which is a good thing, let's be clear.
The value for money we get is good, but is secondary to the fact that it means we can get intelligent and impartial television and radio. Our friends in the US have nothing remotely like Radio 3 or 4. (High-brow classical music and jazz played in full, not just the famous bits, and high-brow, impartial current affairs, drama and comedy). They don't even have any politically impartial major broadcasters.
In America most major stations are heavily right-wing because they are all owned by rich people who, unsurprisingly, support the Republicans. We get at least half a chance of hearing things from a reasonably independent, though critical, source.
Worth every penny if you ask me, and I don't even watch TV.
Re:but when.. (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:openness is hardly a concern to mplayer develop (Score:3, Insightful)