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32,000 "Why I'm Tired" Emails 511

An anonymous reader writes "Slate has a story about the guy who registered tired.com in 1997 and put up on the home page "Are you tired? Tell us why." He's collected 32,000 emails from tired people, including an one from a Navy ship at sea that's too good to be fake."
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32,000 "Why I'm Tired" Emails

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  • I'm really busy (Score:5, Insightful)

    by isoprophlex ( 659648 ) * on Wednesday July 14, 2004 @05:14AM (#9694895)
    I'm tired... I believe i might even be in there for sending an email to that address. It really amazes me that people don't have a care in the world to about what they post on the internet, who they send it too, what harm it does, and how many people it might hurt. I've seen too many Live Journal's in my time that are just all about slanderring and nothing more or less than that. I guess it's like the MSN news site says about that site www.tired.com is that people just want to be in the spotlight, or share there story's whatever the case. I'm tired of people that want this to happen to them. There is more to life than living/ wanting to be in the spotlight, isn't there?
  • by Underholdning ( 758194 ) on Wednesday July 14, 2004 @05:15AM (#9694900) Homepage Journal
    "No one bothers to write in anonymously [..] Gripes about husbands, wives, children, and commanding officers come signed with the sender's real name and address. Mike doesn't reply to these messages, and he doesn't publish them, but how do they know he won't? One theory he's encountered in his user-experience work: People trust simply designed sites."

    There's a lesson to be learned here. Less bloat, more trust!
  • Insomnia (Score:5, Insightful)

    by sunnytzu ( 629976 ) on Wednesday July 14, 2004 @05:16AM (#9694902)
    Insomnia is a terrible affliction, but oddly enough it doesn't seem to be insomniacs writing into this guy, just people who have enough time to surf the web aimlessly. These people are tired of life, not tired in the needing sleep sense. They don't think they have enough time for themselves, or they just don't want to be where they are. Insomniacs don't type "tired" into their web browser, they just stay up all night trying to go to sleep.
  • Work-Life Balance (Score:5, Insightful)

    by SHiFTY1000 ( 522432 ) on Wednesday July 14, 2004 @05:21AM (#9694920) Homepage
    One reason that people are tired is that they are working excessive hours. Todays society risks repeating the same mistakes as the Victorian era; when children as young as ten would work alongside adults for 10 hours a day, 6 days a week.

    The eight hour day / 40 hour week was one of the Labour movements' greatest victories, but this has been largely eroded in modern professional occupations. Many people work crazy hours. There is a whole culture that working yourself and your family into the ground is a good thing.

    However some enlightened governments have strategies to deal with this- the issue of work/life balance has been big recently- check http://www.dol.govt.nz/worklife/index.asp or
    http://www.dti.gov.uk/work-lifebalance/what.html

    Whatever happened to the 60's notion that technology would have us working less?
  • Suicide Notes (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 14, 2004 @05:27AM (#9694939)
    Wonder how many suicide notes the guy has received over the years?
  • by ubercow ( 700232 ) on Wednesday July 14, 2004 @05:32AM (#9694953)
    perhaps this is why I trust google over the other search engines, less bloat..

    but with that being said, does that mean I trust microsoft now that their search engine looks almost exactly [msn.com] like google's?
  • by dtfinch ( 661405 ) * on Wednesday July 14, 2004 @05:34AM (#9694960) Journal
    Whatever happened to the 60's notion that technology would have us working less?

    Employers want full time employees, unemployment is strongly discouraged, we want more and better stuff, and we have a lot more rich people to carry around.
  • by ftvcs ( 629126 ) <f_t_v_c_s@yahoo.com> on Wednesday July 14, 2004 @05:42AM (#9694987) Journal
    Their site may survive, but I wonder what will happen to their mailbox...
  • we're all tired (Score:5, Insightful)

    by dncsky1530 ( 711564 ) on Wednesday July 14, 2004 @05:43AM (#9694988) Homepage
    Whats really interesting about this is that after seven years the guy who owns that domain hasn't changed it one bit. the domain itself is worth alot of money amd there aren't even any ads on the site. At the height of the dot com era he could of sold the domain for tens of thousands od dollars. I think thats the real story here.

    I'm tired because I just woke up after 12 hours of sleep.

  • Spam? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by ebrandsberg ( 75344 ) on Wednesday July 14, 2004 @05:47AM (#9694997)
    How much of the 32K messages were spam? If he registered that e-mail address, I would guess most of it.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 14, 2004 @05:55AM (#9695015)
    "Whatever happened to the 60's notion that technology would have us working less?"

    Where have you been? All the unemployed walking the streets asking for change have lost jobs (or never had them) because the low paying jobs have all but been eliminated buy machines. The problem is: not everyone can be smart and rich; someone has to fill the low end jobs. To bad the jobs are all gone.

    Anyway, that's what I'm tired of.
  • tired (Score:5, Insightful)

    by manavendra ( 688020 ) on Wednesday July 14, 2004 @06:09AM (#9695052) Homepage Journal
    I think there is a common list of things which "tires" people:

    1. Being stuck in a job - a LOT more people than they care to admit are into jobs they don't really like. Jobs that are no longer challenging. Or exciting. Jobs that are going nowhere. This is the primary reason for being tired, because the entire life, one day at time, is structured around the job - from sleep cycles, to time to be spent with family, take to wake up, etc. And it is very tiring and taxing, when this very job, isn't what one would really want to do.

    2. Relationship - the less said, the better. Not every relation is pleasant. And by relationship, I don't just mean a boy/girl relationship. Relationship with the wife. with the kids. people at work. Neighbours. Between two nations. And it's so funny because though we all say "man is a social animal", this is precisely what we aren't taught - how to socialize, or how to maintain in a relationship. Or just be in a relationship. being tolerant. We are not taught that, but of course a whole load of algebra and trignometry, that finds no direct use in most lives.

    Just these two are so crucial factors in defining the happiness and well being of each person.

    For all weapons of mass destruction there may or may not be in the world, whether the world is safe or not, masses are mostly unhappy and hence "tired". And hence they find or try to find outlets to get of this tiredness. Whatever it may be.

    Whoaa.. I've surprised myself I think!
  • by cubicledrone ( 681598 ) on Wednesday July 14, 2004 @06:48AM (#9695141)
    Whatever happened to the 60's notion that technology would have us working less?

    Depends. Are you talking about the thousands of people who get fired for no reason? They're working less.

    The people who work 70 hour days trying to start their own businesses so they can afford food and light and the people who are doing four people's job because more layoffs were just announced are working more.

    Management is moving on to the salad course during the air-conditioned bonus announcement party. They're working less.

    The customers are trying to figure out the voice mail menu. They're working more.

    It would be nice if people could work less. It would be even nicer if work were pleasant instead of a giant fucking bitch-gripe grab the money contest.
  • by isoprophlex ( 659648 ) * on Wednesday July 14, 2004 @06:48AM (#9695142)
    If there is one thing that computers have done for society is to create more paper work, more clutter, and ultimately more jobs. Technology, is, a day of the life of most people. We live it, in the 60's they didn't. They didn't even know what a PC was, computers in cars, weren't even thought of yet (not to my knoweldge). But on the hindsight, i absolutely agree. I know one thing about the American Culture from living there for about 2.5 years (being an Australian and all). You people get 2 weeks paid holiday per year on average for full time work. We get 4 weeks! I do believe that the USA should first, change a lot of things along these lines. Maybe then, people will work better, faster, and computers will be used for more and more methods than what they are currently used for; Creating more paper.
  • by menkhaura ( 103150 ) <espinafre@gmail.com> on Wednesday July 14, 2004 @06:56AM (#9695173) Homepage Journal
    I believe that the brands "msn" and "microsoft" are too loaded with evil to inspire trust.
  • Re:Why? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Max Romantschuk ( 132276 ) <max@romantschuk.fi> on Wednesday July 14, 2004 @06:57AM (#9695176) Homepage
    I have a 6 month old daughter.

    A friend of mine said yesterday that he woke up at 4.30 and couldn't get back to sleep. I simply replied "As a parent, I can only say 'Screw you'."


    I have four month old twins.

    I bike to work, 12 miles every day.

    I have not had to tell anyone to screw themselves.

    I do get tired on occation, and I do feel down every now and then... but I doubt telling people to screw themselves would make me feel any better.

    Try looking at the good things, concentrating on the bad stuff will only serve to make you bitter.

    Besides, given that your friend had a different basis of comparison, his lack of sleep might have been a major issue for him. Stuff like this is always subjective, and trying to compare who has it harder is ofter rather pointless.
  • can we /. this? (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Frambooz ( 555784 ) on Wednesday July 14, 2004 @07:00AM (#9695184) Homepage
    Do you think we can /. this site? I'd be impressed.
  • Re:I'm really busy (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Apreche ( 239272 ) on Wednesday July 14, 2004 @07:26AM (#9695245) Homepage Journal
    Word. I am also anti-Live Journal. Sure its not Live Journal itself that is bad. It is possible to use LJ in a way that is fine. Like a normal blog for instance.

    However, the most often use of LJ I see is this. People bitch about how shitty their lives are, or they bitch and blame others about shitty daily happenings in their lives. They also obfuscate names of people and places very poorly so anyone who knows them can figure it out. Lastly they voice the opinions they don't have the balls to voice during the day to real people, because they don't hold water. They seek encouragement and sympathy from people around the world to make them feel better. Because no matter what your problem is, there is someone on the Internet who will tell you how right you are in order to make you feel not alone. And that one person telling you how right you are validates your existence despite your actual complete wrong-ness.

    The other side effect of Live Journal that makes it really bad is this. People go around reading the Live Journals of others and form sort of this behind the back society. They never say something to a person in real life anything that was said in LJ. But they keep it in mind. No longer is it necessary to gossip about people like old maids. Just go around reading LJs of everyone you know and you can get the real deal.

    I just feel that this whole culture surrounding things like Live Journal is so shallow and meaningless. I feel filthy every time someone links me to LJ and I go look at it. The same filth you feel when you accidentally look at the magazines in the checkout aisle. Just get it off me.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 14, 2004 @07:45AM (#9695305)
    Not always the case...

    If you're drained of energy with no explaination, then sure, go see a doctor, but if you know why you're tired in spite of a good 6 to 9 hours of sleep each day, then a doctor may not be the right answer.

    Assume you are getting enough sleep, and you are otherwise perfectly healthy. A stressful environment can really sap your strength. Pills and even counseling may make you appear to be more content, but the underlying problem may not be fully addressed- only masked.

    Let's say you're struggling at work in an unexpectedly deadend job. At the time, you thought it was a promotion, but instead it was just a latteral move with slightly better pay that made moving any further up the ladder of success impossible. If you make any waves, they'll probably realize they can do nicely without you.

    You make enough money to afford your family's present standard of living and there is no way for you to find another job at your current level of income. Your employer is unsympathetic and expects you to do your job to their satisfaction or be replaced by two lower payed employees. To them, you are not indespensable.

    Your wife is having second thoughts because married life just isn't what she was expecting, and she refuses to have any discussions about it. She's itching for any excuse, and she's probably a bit smarter than you, and a hell of a lot more vendictive. She also has access to all your possessions including your bank account.

    Your kids are doing fine, but you have no time for them because you are already putting in so many hours at the office. These days, they barely know you, but at least you get to see them most every day.

    If you let your job fail, you lose your income, your wife will definitely leave you, and you'll probably end up losing your home, most of your posessions, what little access you have to your kids, and of course, any money in your next job will be going to child and spousal support, thus making your existence a living hell.

    If you try to get your wife to help you, she'll just call you a wimp, chastise you, threaten to leave you, take the kids, and she'll find some way to have her attourney legally harass you until your employer fires you...

    Hmmm... No way out unless you want to skip town and change your identity... But they'd probably find you anyway. It's a tough spot.

    You come home each night, you eat well, you find time to excercise, and you get more than enough sleep. You're otherwise healthy, but you're tired. The good doctor isn't going to make it all better. In fact, getting you dependent upon some kind of medication may just screw your life up even more.

  • Re:why i'm tired (Score:4, Insightful)

    by CastrTroy ( 595695 ) on Wednesday July 14, 2004 @07:57AM (#9695352)
    I can assure you, that if the world standardizes on a measurement system, it will be metric, or something close to it. The only country stuck in the old ways is the US of A.
  • by InfiniteZero ( 587028 ) on Wednesday July 14, 2004 @08:11AM (#9695417)
    Uh, maybe the short url helped a bit too? Somehow I don't think a website with an url like
    http://geocities.com/My/Parents/Basement/~Michael% 20Kuniavsky/Are%20you%20tired%20Tell%20us%20why.ph p?sessionid=2C7123425A5F0606C754AAA3BAB4DA63
    ... would've worked as well.
  • Re:Why? (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Antique Geekmeister ( 740220 ) on Wednesday July 14, 2004 @09:17AM (#9695847)
    Twin infants are interesting in development. They are usually much less tiring than one would expect, because they play with and entertain and comfort each other, which is why their parents don't put them in a blender after a month or two.

    And some infants take a lot more support than others: I've met some beautiful meatloafs you couldn't disturb from their naps with a two-by-four, and other delightful infants of pure evil who'd wake up shrieking from Brownian motion bouncing air molecules off their faces, preferably just when you finally got your own eyes closed.
  • Re:I'm tired (Score:5, Insightful)

    by His name cannot be s ( 16831 ) on Wednesday July 14, 2004 @10:14AM (#9696457) Journal
    I'm tired too.

    Of people using their "I'm trapped in my job/life because $BOGUS_REASON"

    I'm in my thirties. I graduated with a 80ish average in high school. I dunno what that even hits on the GPA-o-meter.

    I've never held a job for more than 30ish months.

    I never went to college.

    I make $150K a year as a sofware development consultant.

    The companies are not tossing your resume because it lacks a degree.

    They are tossing it because you haven't expressed anything to them that they want.

    Do yourself a favor. Learn to sell. Get a partime job as a salesman in a commission based job--even grow into it fulltime. You will certainly make better money than slave. Go to the library. Read Books by Zig Zigler, Dale Carnegie and the like. Once you are able to sell crap TVs and "Extended Warranties" and make 3-5K a month, you are ready to Get a real job without a Degree.

    At 35, a degree is a useless peice of paper that will not get you a job. You are old enough to get there on your merits.

    If a 35 year old came to me with only his newly minted degree as his sole reason for being hired, I'd show em the door faster than Anna Nicole Smith wolfs down a cheeseburger.

  • by Natchswing ( 588534 ) on Wednesday July 14, 2004 @10:38AM (#9696692)
    Run. Daily. Miles. If your body has that much excess energy then sitting on a couch and watching TV is not going to put you to sleep.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 14, 2004 @10:56AM (#9696840)
    I had the same problem, where my mind was racing with thoughts, and I could hardly sleep. Got worse when I went through a divorce and custody battle. What saved me was MEDITATION.

    It took several sessions with a meditation guru, in a class with several others, before I noticed my mind slow down. No more 'voices'. No, I can typically sleep much better, on fewer hours of sleep, and wake up better. I still like to sleep in till the last minute, skip breakfast, hop in the car and race to work, but that's another probem.

    I meditate when I need to; I should be doing more, but I'm too lazy to do so.

    I was on anti-depressants for a while, and what that did was screw up my mind, in that I could not remember things nor think clearly or creatively. I went off the medication after about a year and a half of being on it, and I feel much better. It took several months, but I can think again, think clearer, and am getting back my creativity.

  • by hey! ( 33014 ) on Wednesday July 14, 2004 @11:09AM (#9696987) Homepage Journal
    Being interrupted. My boss has undiagnosed ADHD; he loves being interrupted. He found a brand of cordless phone whose ring volume can be set high enough to be literally painful if you are sitting next to them. He was so delighted he bought a bunch of them and has distributed them throughout the office. Often if I've got into a "flow" state where I'm really productive, one of these things that have been . I turn the volume down on these things, but when he notices he'll turn them up again.

    Meetings are taking forever because these damn things keep going off. My programming staff is becoming mutinous. The idea behind these phones is that he wants people calling in to be able to get a hold of people quickly, but it's backfired because I've had to let most of my staff work from home three days a week so they can get stuff done. Productivity is down; the boss wants to hire more programmers, and I'm trying to convince him to hire a receptionist instead.

    Seriously, getting started is the hardest part of any task. If you are constantly interrupted, you're constantly revisiting the most difficult phases of any task. Even if you are doing things that are easy it takes a toll. Getting buckled down to do something hard is nearly impossible.

    Conversely, even hard things are easy, if you can get started and stick with them.

  • Re:why i'm tired (Score:4, Insightful)

    by roman_mir ( 125474 ) on Wednesday July 14, 2004 @11:20AM (#9697093) Homepage Journal
    I am tired of moron-moderators pushing their own agenda.

    And yes, USA is not the world, the world is metric.

  • by gottabeme ( 590848 ) on Wednesday July 14, 2004 @12:33PM (#9697812)
    If you love God with all your heart, mind, and soul, and serve Him, He will take care of you. Giving back is important, but there's a lot more to serving God than money. I haven't read the book you mention, but you almost make it sound like he's saying, "Give me x dollars every month, and God will give you a raise."

    There's also more to prosperity than financial prosperity. Life isn't supposed to be about being financially wealthy.

    Before you give money to God's work, examine yourself and your heart. In my humble opinion, you should give because you want to serve the Lord and His work, not because you want Him to bless you in return. I'm not saying I'm perfect at that either. But it's something to think about. Be sure you're giving for the right reasons.
  • Why I'm tired (Score:3, Insightful)

    by trainsnpep ( 608418 ) <mikebenzaNO@SPAMgmail.com> on Wednesday July 14, 2004 @12:48PM (#9698011)
    Here's a copy of what I wrote to tired@tired.com I wrote this a few months ago. I'm going to be a senior in high school next year. Publish it for all I care. Just leave out my name. My story is identification enough.

    I'm tired of being the guy everyone turns to for help.

    I'm tired of fixing your computer, I'm tired of setting up this web site for you, I'm tired of undoing all the malware which you said, "Yes, I'd love to have everything installed from Spyware Incorporated automatically." Hundreds of people casually say, "Hey Mike, you're good with computers....." and explain to me what's wrong. Well, fuck off. Seriously, you got yourself into the mess, and if everyone I knew hadn't asked me at some point to help them on their computer, I'd do it. But it's obvious that a lot of people are fucking up their computers, so don't fuck up yours!

    I'm tired of spending three hours letting you talk to me about your adonis. He's 6 years older than you. He probably didn't notice you. I'm tired of listening to you bitch and moan about how this guy you're kinda with is in Italy for the month. I'm tired of listening to you. Why don't you listen to me? There's a grand total of three people who I can talk to, who listen to me, what I have to say, what I have to get off my chest (thanks Steph, Karen, and Leah). Everyone else are ingrates. They know I keep secrets. Hell, I could make some of you so embarassed you'd go to a different school considering some of the things I've been told.

    I'm tired of authoritative positions. I'll accept the responsibility, beacause for the most part, I don't have any trouble handling it, and it brings me out of the ranks of idiots. I just have trouble dealing with idiots once I'm in that authoritative. I'm tired of people criticizing me for not doing a job they've never even attempted properly. I'd like to see you try to manage a bunch of bumbling idiots with below average IQs who resent the fact that I'm in a management position. During the school year, I'd like to see you juggle a 30-hour-a-week-job, 10 hours a week on yearbook, 10 hours a week on stage crew, and AP and IB courses. The summer is my down time, the only time I'm not tired.

    I'd like to see you all try. Yet, I'm still friends with you, because I'm nice. There are three people who I get something back from. You three are angels. I'm tired of everyone else, demons, devils, usurpers. You suck up my advice, you plead with me to help you. You bitch and moan about why I need to help you, why you need this so much. I'm. Fucking. Tired. Go spend some money, which you don't even make, it's usually daddy's money, and pay someone to help you. It's amazing what happens when you realize you can't rely on nice people anymore.


    Is there anyone else out there who has to deal with this? The majority of the /. community, I'd say is smarter than average, and has to deal with some of the things I've mentioned. Anyone the person who people confide in? Anyone the 17 year old who got a promotion to head cashier (or something similar) in 7 months when people who have been working for 5 years haven't? I know I bring my work upon myself, but I feel I'm not being paid back for my work.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 14, 2004 @01:27PM (#9698451)
    I used to be tired. But I had my first child a couple of years back; I could not help admire that he gets up in the morning and the first thing he does is just smile. I was amazed at how little he needs to be happy (food, diaper change, hugs). So I have slowly simplified my own life -- I changed my job, we don't go for impulse shopping trips to the mall, we watch almost no TV any more and we spend a lot of time with each other, on the dining table, in the kitchen, outdoors, with friends etc. You need so little to be happy if you are clear about the fact that you want to spend a lot of time with your family and friends, even if it means you earn a bit less. I earn a bit less now, and we spend a lot less now but we are so much happier.

    Yes, I did change my job (from being in IT for a large corp) to a small non-profit where people are much nicer; I make less for the same job of a Linux sysadmin, but it is such a joy to go to work for a place where people are not so materialistic and there is no office politics.

    I doubt if this recipe will work for anyone else. But I think a simple life with a focus on human relationships -- rather than money -- helps make a more fulfilling (less emotionally tiring) life. If you are physically tired (rather than emotional/psychological, I mean), try a simple a brisk walk for 30 minutes a day.
  • by Dr. Evil ( 3501 ) on Wednesday July 14, 2004 @01:34PM (#9698549)

    Men have a tendency to be sleepy after sex, whereas women don't have that tendency. It's a weird world. So women want to cuddle or get a back rub or something, when the guy just wants to sleep.

  • Re:Why I'm tired (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Sebastopol ( 189276 ) on Wednesday July 14, 2004 @01:37PM (#9698581) Homepage
    Sounds like my highschool experience, except move the 10 hours of yearbook on to the 10 hours of stage crew (sound director junior year). I worked 24 hours a week, not 30, that would have made a big difference in my sanity.

    People will always pester you for being competent. That's one thing you don't want to spoil. Don't become a prick computer guru who think's his shyt don't stink. Just be practical, don't jump through hoops, but don't blow them off. This will benefit you later in life (how you get along with people counts for way more than you can imagine later on in your job, you'd be surprised). I'm not saying kiss ass, just don't overextend yourself.

    "I'm tired of spending three hours letting you talk to me about your adonis."

    Dude, ditch her ASAP. She's not a friend, she's a liability. Don't play the sucker role of nice guy, it doesn't give you any fun memories as an adult, just makes you feel embarassed for wasting your teen years being some hottie's whipping boy. You can even be rude about it: she doesn't matter, 1 year in college and you'll barely talk to these people, 2 years and they become old photographs, plus she'll benefit from the lesson it teaches her. (Gee, do _I_ sound bitter or what! ;-)

    "I know I bring my work upon myself, but I feel I'm not being paid back for my work."

    No offense, but once you lose this ingrained sense of entitlement, you won't be so mad at your job. I know people who bitch about how small their bonuses are, for real! It's free money and they complain. Just find something you like to do and hope it pays enough. If it doesn't pay enough, find cheap hobbies and learn to cook.

    Sorry for turning /. into Dear Abby, but your situation sounded very familiar to mine, and I graduated 15 years ago (it TOTALLY flew by).

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    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Wednesday July 14, 2004 @02:11PM (#9698972)
    Comment removed based on user account deletion
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 14, 2004 @02:39PM (#9699352)
    Whenever you are walking real late and the cops happen to see they cannot help but to stop you and ask you why you are out so late. Just being out late in the United States when a cop passes you is now wrong. Most the time they will do nothing, but it still does not feel right being accosted like a common thief for doing nothing other than walking out while most people are sleeping. I thought only totalitarian states imposed curfews.
  • by AuMatar ( 183847 ) on Wednesday July 14, 2004 @04:05PM (#9700333)
    Even more than that- the natural day clock of a human body is not 24 hours. It differs from person to person. Most people are 22-26 hours, and they can fit into a 24 hour day without much trouble. Some are as low as 20 or as high as 28, they experience significant drift and have problems. Even higher would be even worse. Myself, I have about a 27-28. My clock rarely matches up enough for me to get more than 4 hours sleep, hasn't since as far back as I can remember (I remember listening to the midnight news report on the radio as young as 6). I just deal with it, getting more tired every day until I crash. If I'm lucky, I crash on a weekend, if not I burn a day off.

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