China Deploys IPv9 Network 362
jeber writes "At the New Generation Internet Ten-Digit Network Industrialization & Development Seminar held on June 25th at Zhejiang University, it was announced that China's Internet technology, IPv9, had been formally adapted and popularized into the civil and commercial sectors.
Based on a ten-digit computing method, IPv9 has its own address protocol, nameplate protocol, transitional protocol, and digital domain name regulations and standards as stated by Mr. Xie Jianping, founder of the IPv9 protocol and leader of the Ten-Digit Network Technology Standard Team. Along with being compatible with IPv4 and IPv6, IPv9 can also realize logistic separations between them and safely control them. On small-scale trials in Shanghai's Changing and Jinshan Districts, IPv9 technology has proven stable and safe."
Standards? (Score:4, Interesting)
And what about IPv7 ? (Score:3, Interesting)
Which department is this from? The jumping-the-gun dept ... no clues there that this is a joke.
Then I looked at my keyboard. The 9 key is right above the 6 key. One could easily mean to type IPv6 and accidently type IPv9. Could that explain it? Of course, that wouldn't explain why somebody would say this is is compatible with both IPv4 and IPv6 ...
I can't read the article itself, since it seems to have fallen under the /. effect. So I guess I just won't know if 1) this is a joke, 2) a typo, or 3) China doing something different from the rest of the world just because they can. It's usually #3, so that's my guess.
Re:RFC (Score:5, Interesting)
April fools joke? (Score:5, Interesting)
Googling for IP V9 reveals an april fool's joke from 1994:
RFC 1606 [faqs.org]
RFC 1607 [faqs.org]
Re:Welcome to last week (Score:3, Interesting)
While YOU are making this as a joke, I have a personal anecdote that really made my skin crawl. My (telco) company execs routinely used a term "11.5G", referring to "11.5 generation network", meaning 2G (GSM) + 2,5G (GPRS) + 3G (UMTS/WCDMA) + 4G (WiFi) concurrently.
Luckily, that buzzword was later changed to something about seamless mobility or something, basically just meaning that a terminal can roam between different radio network technologies. But for crying out loud, they really thought that this BIG number shows us being years ahead or something..
China needs to control technology (Score:4, Interesting)
There are reasons for this:
- Chinese are very nationalisitc by definition (in chinese, China (Zhong Guo) mean the "Kindgom of the middle", they really thought -and still do to a certain extent- that China is the center of the world) and they are proud to "re-invent" or "re-conquer" to make it their own.
- they do not want to license foreign Intellectual Property, so they develop their own video format for instance, for both pride and economic reasons as well.
- The Chinese government think it needs to control information.
I believe that the latest is probably behind the move to IPv9.
By encouraging non-standard protocols, they ensure that the equipment has more chance to be manufactured in China, and they have more ways to control the information passing through it.
China recognizes the importance of the Internet and know it is essential to its progress, yet they also realize that it is the most dangerous way to propagate those "subversive" ideas like democracy and freedom of speech. So the best thing to do is probably to "embrace and extend"...
Now, where have I heard that before...?
Re:RFC (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:key word "control" (Score:5, Interesting)
China sees us as warlords holding temporary advantage due to the outcome of WWII. Chinese warlords have always extorted horrific tribute/taxation from their subjects, but wrapped it in a framework of celestial-academic (or, more recently, communist-rhetorical) self-justification. This is what they think we're doing to them when we say "you have to pay us billions of dollars because (mumble software patent mumble genome license mumble royalty blah blah)".
China has made numerous moves lately that indicate they no longer consider us to be an unstoppable force. They haven't done anything drastically provocative, but they will. The Taiwan question is intolerable for the Chinese government. Sooner or later, if China stays on its current path, they will arrive at the point where they think they can get away with an invasion. And all I can say is, I sure as hell hope there's a moderate in the White House on that particular day.
-Graham
Re:key word "control" (Score:5, Interesting)
Several things stood out to me. This is a dynamic society, with construction everywhere. Yet they also spend money making their freeways signs look good, with a little extra neon. At night, the big cities are a neon wonderland. The freeways themselves have lighted lane markers and such. Lots of use of light.
And to the point on this topic, everyone he talked to seem to consider Taiwan a province of China, even the Taiwanise tourists, of which there are many. Now what I actually think is that neither government tolerate anything but the party line, and so people do not speak candidly on this issue. The real deal is that China considers Chinese populated territory to be properly under common rule. And most of the Taiwanese share that view. The Taiwanese government of course thinks it should be ruling China.
My idea is that everyone should agree that Taiwan is part of China and set a date, say in the next century, to realize it.
Re:Like IPv6 isn't good enough (Score:2, Interesting)
From Wikipedia [wikipedia.org], "This is the equivalent of 4.3 × 1020 (430,000,000,000,000,000,000) unique addresses per square inch of the Earth's surface."
Re:Standards? (Score:3, Interesting)
Perhaps if they tossed the spammers off their network, they might free up some
Re:Obligatory Great Firewall of China Reference (Score:5, Interesting)
Of course not, They drive Mercedes [mercedes-benz.com.cn].
It's not a shame that HK was returned to its rightful owner.
The China that HK was a part of was Imperial China. This country does not exist any more. It's just as true, and just as irrelevant to say that the Communists stole China from its "rightful" owner, the Emperor.
And we're not talking about real estate, but 6 million people who were delivered to the rule of a government that many had risked their lives to escape from when they came to Hong Kong, of their own free will.
Genghis Khan ruled China by force, no one liked him
One thing I have to agree with, he wasn't even Chinese. However, Mao Zedong was, he did kill upwards of 50 million in the Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution, when of course people were risking their lives to escape in to Hong Kong.
Wikipedia; How to find articles on IPv9 (Score:2, Interesting)
Where's my real time translation so I can read some of those articles?
this isn't much different (Score:4, Interesting)
We aren't that much different; we're just a lot more global and less self-centered.
Because IPv4 sucks for surveillanc and censorship (Score:2, Interesting)
Technology doesn't have to be empowering.
Re:key word "control" (Score:5, Interesting)
I remember taking a Chinese history course back in college. It was a requirement, and Eastern Studies had never really gripped my interests. But as we started it I became fascinated with the oceanic depth of their culture and history. I'm sorry I never persued it.
I remember that the *"People of Han" (as they called themselves) who founded the original Chin Dynasty considered themselves the center of the universe. So naturally, they too considered themselves the center of all culture and refinement. I see modern communism as a more contemporary expression of this belief. It seems almost bred into their cultural psychology. A very deep meme that is very difficult to erase.
So, while control may or may not have anything to do with the nature of IPv9, my interpretation of the matter (after taking that class) is that they are a very prideful people. It must irk them on some level that all of the important technologies (cars, computers, networking, flying, you name it) come from the west. Maybe this is their way of reasserting themselves as a force to be reckoned with. Which they are.
*Interestingly enough, they were so sure of their superiority that when they had their first runins with westerners they would make them cow-tow to the emperor. Which REALLY pissed off the European Nobles when they came to visit because cow-towing is literally debasing oneself in front of imperial greatness. Getting down on both knees and bowing repeatedly. The Chinese of that day (I forget what Dynasty it was) considered ALL westerners to be barbarians! I don't necessarily think they were wrong about that, after what I've learned about history.
The name "Han" actually meant in their language "The People" just as it does in almost all languages. It's the same in Navajo (Dine) and Cherokee (Tsalagee). Interestingly enough, when the Cherokee first encountered westerners THEY thought they were the most civilized people. They thought the Europeans were babrarous. Mainly because the English and other European languages have the 'b' and 'r' sound which sounded awful to them. It may seem odd that the Cherokees would have no 'r' sound. The reason for that is that the language of the main body of Cherokee speakers don't have those sounds and call themselves Tsalagee. Europeans totally misheard that sound and started calling them Cherokees.
Re:key word "control" (Score:1, Interesting)
Re:key word "control" (Score:3, Interesting)
Whatever country you from, I would challenge you to assert your political system is currently serving the general welfare as well as the Chinese political system.
Re:key word "control" (Score:2, Interesting)
http://www.1421.tv/
Oh, and they're having a PBS special in the US on July 21st about this book.
Re:key word "control" (Score:3, Interesting)
> make is that "it's not our country".
So? We fight for our vital national interests. We fought Saddam once over the oilfields of Kuwait and once to drain the swamp in the Middle East. We would and should defend Taiwan to keep the semiconductor fabs in friendly hands, to in other words
Defending Free Societies is also protecting a vital national interest. If China were to invade, Taiwain would ask for our help and we should stand with them on pure moral principle. The Arsonal of Democracy doesn't just exist to defend Great Britain and France from German adventurism.
> That is their country and their internal dispute, and no other country
> has the right to intervene.
Bull. Go read your history book again. Here is one example for free; The main reason for Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation was to keep the French from extending diplomatic recognition to the CSA, which would of course meant the end to the naval blocade of CSA ports.
> That's why there are these things called 'borders'.
No, borders seperate soverign powers. Relations between soverign powers is, has always been and probably always be governed by the rule of the jungle. Because by definition a soverign power isn't answerable to anyone for their actions except the community of other soverign nations. Right is usually defined by what one has the Might to get away with.
Fortunately the US has been pretty enlightened in it's uses of naked force compared to most of the other soverign states that have found themselves ascendent. Probably because we had good 'parenting' by the British. Despite the unpleasantness with King George and our forefathers, the British weren't half bad defacto rulers of the world in their day.