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Cellphone as Virtual Mouse, Keyboard 186

stab writes "Check this out! High Energy Magic have announced a public beta of software to let you use your camera-phone as a physical mouse by just pointing and clicking and rotating it in the air. Some very cool videos available: check out the volume control and flight booking ones in particular! The tags used are really robust - they did a wastebasket torture test for a bit of fun as well :-)"
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Cellphone as Virtual Mouse, Keyboard

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  • Wow (Score:1, Interesting)

    by NIK282000 ( 737852 ) on Thursday May 27, 2004 @04:10PM (#9270897) Homepage Journal
    now if only we could eliminate the phone and have th e object track your hands..
  • Here's an idea: (Score:4, Interesting)

    by magefile ( 776388 ) on Thursday May 27, 2004 @04:11PM (#9270918)
    If the spot codes can hold a few bytes of info - wave your cell over a tattoo or a shirt someone's wearing to get their name/cellphone number ... um, never mind, that'd be a bad thing.
  • New Policy (Score:3, Interesting)

    by bogie ( 31020 ) on Thursday May 27, 2004 @04:19PM (#9270994) Journal
    If a site is unreachable within the first 10 posts the story gets yanked. Delete it like it never happened. Seriously, how the hell are we supposed to have a discussion about something we can't even read about?
  • by networkGhettoWhore ( 564183 ) on Thursday May 27, 2004 @04:22PM (#9271034)
    What wasn't reported though is that the company Gyration [gyration.com] already has patent pending on gyroscopic mouse technology. Gyration had already released an open letter last week addressing this when the cell phone mouse was first announced.
  • by Diaspar ( 319457 ) * on Thursday May 27, 2004 @04:22PM (#9271048)

    Didn't Motorola CEO get kicked out because that's precisely what he was saying ("concentrate on quality that's obviously suffering right now, and not race for features")?

    I think in the current market there is always race for features. More, more more and more. Until some complaint gets too loud and bites the company in the ass. Then fixing it becomes a future as well ("Our dialer is now better than ever").

    I found it interesting how Microsoft acted back in the day. They bloated their software with features, many many features, to beat the feature list of the competitor. Well, so what that it crashed constantly, so what that it didn't do the job that well. (sarcasm). For some reason, it's still around...
  • damn it! (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Haydn Fenton ( 752330 ) <no.spam.for.haydn@gmail.com> on Thursday May 27, 2004 @04:31PM (#9271135)
    You wouldnt believe my face when i saw this story.. I've been mouseless for some time now (I'm sure a /.er can help me - details below), this was a god send.. then the site gets slashdotted - im not so happy
    then i see some mirrors - im happy again
    then i find it wont work with my phone - im pissed.

    Anyway, I have two mice (1 USB and 1 PS2), yet neither work (the cursor will not move and clicking has no effect). Windows says the drivers are fine, it's not a virus.. i've been told it might be the motherboard, can anyone verify this?
    The mouse was jumping a little a few days before breaking, then the day before it broke it was stopping and starting. The day it broke.. well, it broke. Right in the middle of making the GUI for a program.

    WHY ARE MOUSEKEYS SO DAMN SLOW?!?
  • by bo0ork ( 698470 ) on Thursday May 27, 2004 @04:41PM (#9271242)
    I haven't RTFA (./:ed), but these guys have potentially made a great piece of software for the physically impaired. Strap a webcam to the side of your head: Voila, no need to use hand to maneuver a mouse.
  • Doesn't work on P900 (Score:3, Interesting)

    by clmensch ( 92222 ) on Thursday May 27, 2004 @04:48PM (#9271324) Homepage Journal
    I installed the app on my P900 (28kb), but when I try to run it I just get a "Folder Not Found" error. And now when I try to uninstall it, I get a "There is insufficient memory available for the specified installation." This after a phone reboot. Ah, Symbian...
  • Re:Slashvertisement? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by stab ( 26928 ) on Thursday May 27, 2004 @04:52PM (#9271381) Homepage
    Give me a break ... where do the disclaimers stop? I mean, the software's being given away for free for non-commercial use, and I think it's of interest to other techies. Notice I didn't submit anonymously.

    And don't start spouting "open-source this, open-source that" to me ... I do [oxide.org] my [theaimsgroup.com] bit [horde.org] there [theaimsgroup.com] as [openfx.org] well [php.net]. But noone cares about that stuff, so why bother talking about it instead of stuff I think is fun?
  • Blindingly obvious (Score:3, Interesting)

    by t_allardyce ( 48447 ) on Thursday May 27, 2004 @05:07PM (#9271529) Journal
    Ok maybe im pointing out the stupidly obvious but.. bluetooth (or even just normal phone/wap) is TWO WAY! why would you need a camera phone with ugly spots all over your poster/screen!? just press cursor keys on your phone and send that over blue-tooth (like a dvd menu interface)?

    What would be totally totally neat would be a dumb-terminal standard using bluetooth so when you walked into say an airport and launched the 'dumb-terminal' app on your phone you would get a screen produced by the airport computer which would be able to tell you exactly where you were (triangulation or bluetooth 'cells') on a visual map. Then you could just tap in the 'customer code' on your ticket and the airport computer would be able to tell you the real time of your flight, delays, where you should go, how much time you had, where you could get discount booze etc etc. the same could work for libraries, train/bus stations, sports-games, malls, towns, tourist attractions, and of course cinemas (where the screen would say "turn your fucking phone off" just before the film started) the protocal could either be like wap/html or pushed by the server, whatever aslong as its a standard, its open, it supports funky graphics, sound and vide and you dont get charged for it.
  • Re:Wow... (Score:2, Interesting)

    by rainman_bc ( 735332 ) on Thursday May 27, 2004 @05:20PM (#9271646)
    Yeah, the problem existed. Not the convergence question, but still. Imagine - you get in an accident, and you don't have any paper; you can take a pic of the license plate. Or someone commits a crime and you're there to witness it. A picture sure does help. From a legal perspective, carrying around a camera can really save your hide. Of course IANAL, but I can imagine the possibilities. It would make the difference in a "my word against your word" kinda case. Same goes for video. Imagine if you were assaulted and managed to catch the assault on video. Kinda makes your case more concrete doesn't it? From a "my word against yours" angle, having a camera on you at all times likely does help a lot.

    And besides, what if you were in calgary right now and want to remember all the b00bs being shown. What better way to relive the NHL playoffs than through the joy of pictures!

    and on that note, what if you were to shag a supermodel? No one would believe you (being a slashdot nerd), so now you can snap a photo while shagging a goddess! You will be the envy of your friends!

    =D
  • Re:Slashvertisement? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by stab ( 26928 ) on Thursday May 27, 2004 @05:26PM (#9271694) Homepage
    Yeah, I think you're right ... live and learn eh? First time I've heard the term 'astroturfing', not going to forget it in a hurry :-)
  • Re:Wow... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Total_Wimp ( 564548 ) on Thursday May 27, 2004 @05:53PM (#9271910)
    Like the Camera phone itself, this is a solution to a problem I never knew existed.

    This kind of statement about the lack of a use for a camera phone tends to tell me something about the person that says it.

    1. They're not very creative. I use a camera-phone all the time for stuff I'd never use a camera for. For example, I take pictures of sales displays to compare the product on the internet when I get home and I take pictures of the sign that reminds me where I parked my car at the airport. Instant notes with no effort. I also have a cool game that lets me move around by moving my phone around. If you were more creative, you would have thought of a few more uses too.

    2. They're not very spontaneous. I take pictures of my friends, family and important events far more often than I ever would if I had to carry around a full-size camera all the time. If you were interested in this kind of spontaneity then I'm sure you would see the use of a camera phone.

    3. They're self-centered. People who don't want a camera phone personally, and seem to be dumbfounded by those that do, tend to be some of the most self-centered people I know. Lots of people have camera phones and lots of people like them. You may not desire or need one, but are you able to learn from and empathize with those that do? If you were interested in the thoughts and feelings of the people around you, you might have asked one of them why they bought a camera phone and realize that not everyone has the same needs and desires that you do.

    Believe it or not, I'm not trying to slam you here. I'm just reporting my personal observations of people who've talked like you have about these devices. Camera phones are interesting because they're very popular, but there's a significant backlash. That backlash crowd, in my opinion, is really more alike than most people realize.

    TW
  • by dangermouse ( 2242 ) on Thursday May 27, 2004 @06:37PM (#9272249) Homepage
    Why integrate a cell phone with all these add on features that aren't nearly as good as things devoted specifically to the task?

    Like what? What device, specifically, will perform the task these guys are describing? Are you going to build a completely new device with a camera, mouse buttons, and wireless connectivity for people to carry around so they can use these interactive installations?

    Doesn't it make more sense just to install some software, which is practically free, on a device which already has all the necessary hardware?

    Doesn't it make sense, if there are a lot of applications which require the same hardware, to just build one damn device and use it for all of them? If you really need a better implementation of one specific application than this convergence device can provide, carry a specialized device when you need it, as well. That still beats carrying a bag full of devices around all the time, when on any given day at least half of them are expensive and complete overkill.

  • Re:SSH on Symbian OS (Score:3, Interesting)

    by electrichamster ( 703053 ) * on Thursday May 27, 2004 @06:51PM (#9272375) Homepage
    You can get both a dyndns client and a webserver for the sony ericsson P800/P900, so there you go, all bases covered :)
  • by jhsiao ( 525216 ) on Thursday May 27, 2004 @07:47PM (#9272838)
    It appears that Spotcode [highenergymagic.com] supports only 42 bits. Obviously, this is to accomodate the low processing power and camera quality of most camera phones on the market. At only 42 bits, the spotcode can't support any meaningful alphanumeric. But as a numeric value, there are enough unique patterns (over 4 trillion) to support almost 700 spotcodes for every human on the planet.

    But with cameras and processing power on cell phones getting more sophisticated, other 2d barcode like QR Code [denso-wave.com] or semacode [semacode.org] will eventually outpace this technology with their considerably larger data capacity (up to as many as 4000 alphanumeric characters). In fact, semacode is already demonstrated on Series 60 implementations.

    The submitter points to an application that uses spotcodes for remote control. In that implmentation, the spotcode translates to a number which the program then uses to send an instruction over Bluetooth.

    However, those wishing to skip the tedium of entering URLs from the keypad using Spotcodes should note that BangoSpot [bango.net] (using the Spotcode technology) almost certainly uses a middleware server which performs a Spotcode number-to-URL lookup. So someone will know that you're using the Spotcodes. It's sort of like the CueCat but the implementation _requires_ them to know what you're looking up in order to provide a WAP URL.

    It's an interesting approach, but I wonder how fast cellular carriers can adopt Spotcode-to-URL servers in their network before phone technology ends up leapfrogging and reading and entering sophisticated 2d barcode data directly into a phone browser.

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