Internet2 Plus P2P Equals... 289
Bill, I'm lost in cyberspace... writes "News.com has an article up about a Direct Connected P2P network set up at universities which are on Internet2. This is majorly cool! More direct information is available at i2hub.com for those lucky enough to be located at a University with Internet2 access."
even better... (Score:2, Interesting)
Hmm... (Score:3, Interesting)
RIT (Score:0, Interesting)
Congest it (Score:5, Interesting)
It would be very interesting if the students managed to completely congest "internet2". I'm serious - if they do it then it demonstrates that we would still need more bandwidth.
Re:Fun yes; Research no. (Score:3, Interesting)
Sorry, maybe I was not sufficiently clear (or, you are making a joke and I am excessively dense) - the "bears" in my OP are the copyright holders (or their hired goons).
Which is why I included my first paragraph -- developing Yet Another P2P protocol counts (albeit just barely) as research
I would be much more impressed if they spent this time developing something novel
Re:Internet2 Plus P2P Equals... (Score:1, Interesting)
Re:Keep it for research... (Score:3, Interesting)
But we also knows that... if and when the funding get shut off - this internet2 will be turned to commerce inevitably.
And that was what happened in 1990s, sadly.
Re:Automatic Internet2 connections (Score:3, Interesting)
My understanding was that any connection between 2 schools that were on Internet2 would automatically use the faster other pipe.
That's how it should be.
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Re:I2Hub isn't all that fast (Score:1, Interesting)
What about MUTE? (Score:1, Interesting)
http://mute-net.sourceforge.net [sourceforge.net]
This is isn't entirely new. (Score:3, Interesting)
Song of the piracy apologist (Score:0, Interesting)
Song of the piracy apologist:
(1) I don't personally believe in copying CDs illegally-- but I think we should avoid using unkind words like "piracy" to describe those that do -- instead, we should describe it as an "infringement", much like a parking infringement.
(2) I don't believe in the record companies emotively abusing the word "theft," but I do believe in emotively abusing words like "information," "sharing," and "Copyright Enforcement Militia."
(3) I believe that piracy is driven by "overpriced CDs" even though CDs have dropped in price over the years.
(4) I believe that piracy is driven by overly long copyright duration, even though most pirated works are recent releases.
(5) I believe that illegitimately downloading music is giving the author "free advertising". I don't buy any of the music I download, of course--but lots of other people probably do.
(6) I believe that ripping off the artists is wrong. The record companies always rip off the artists. Artists support P2P, except the ones that don't (like Metallica), and they don't agree with me, hence they're greedy or their opinion doesn't count or something.
(7) I believe that selling CDs is not a business model, but giving away things for free on the internet is.
(8) I believe that artists should be compensated for their work -- preferably by someone else. I mean, they can sell concert tickets (which someone else can buy) or sell t-shirts (to someone else) or something. As long as someone else subsidises my free ride, I'm coooooool with it.
(9) I believe in capitalism but only support music business models which involve giving away the fruits of ones labor for free.
(10) I believe that copying someone elses music, and redistributing it to my 1,000,000 "best friends" on the internet is sharing. Music is made for sharing. It's my right.
(11) I believe that record companies cracking down on piracy is "greed", but a mob demanding free entertainment is not.
(12) I believe that it's not really "piracy" unless you charge money for it, because, receiving money is wrong, but taking a free ride is fine.
(13) I believe that disallowing copying and redistributing music over Napster is the same as humming my favourite song in public. Because when I hum my favourite song in public, everyone likes it so much that they run home, get out their tape recorders and once they've got a recording of it, they aren't interested in hearing the original any more.
(14) I believe that when illegal behaviour destroys a business, it's "free enterprise at work".
(15) I believe piracy is simply "free advertising." Even though that's what radio is, but with the legal permission of the copyright holder. Basically, what I really want is to be able to choose the songs I want, listen to them whenever I want, but I don't want to have to pay for it. Essentially, I want the whole thing for free with no strings attached.
What I find amusing is that the pirates seem unable or unwilling to distinguish between creative activity and brainless copying.
Since a lot of the people here are GPL/OSS advocates: the "OSS way" applied to this domain is to learn how to play an instrument. Or how to sing or whatever. Then get together with a bunch of other people who can also play music, and make some noise.
One of the unfortunate things that has happened to the OSS movement is that a lot of the loudmouth advocates for it don't understand what it's really about. They view it primarily as a means to get free stuff, and then they turn their eyes from the free stuff to the non-free stuff and think to themselves "maybe I'm entitled to get that one for free too". The noble ideals of grass roots participation in the creative process, and/or supporting it in a principled way (namely, boosting the "free foo" movement by preferring free foo to nonfree foo), or for that matter, any other form o
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Why your analogy is wrong (Score:2, Interesting)
First off, because 99% of P2P usage is for piracy. To deny this is to be putting your head in the sand for your own agendas.
That's like saying "use of an automobile" equates with "running down pedestrians."
No, it's not. If you run down pedestrians, there is clear enforcement, and you will be arrested, prosecuted, and sent to jail.
It's much, much more difficult to enforce piracy. Hell, the RIAA tries to sue individual downloaders and people have a damn hissy-fit for some reason.
Just because the app *could* be used for nefarious purposes doesn't mean there aren't a whole lot of really cool *legal* things that can be done with it as well.
Oh, absolutely. But there is no mechanism to enforce whether or not the copyright holder has permission for their materials to be distributed. It's disrespectful and immoral to people if you just pirate their works all over the place without even dreaming of what they might think about it.
We have to face the fact that the absolute, major draw of P2P is getting stuff for free without having to pay for it. That is its main usage, and 99% of users on Kazaa and eMule aren't there out of the goodness of their hearts...
They'll get connected. (Score:3, Interesting)
Think about it. All it takes is ONE host on Internet2 providing a connection to ONE host on Internet1. And it *will* happen. Just wait and see. Maybe it will happen for illegitimate reasons, but I think it will happen for very legitimate reasons. Someone will need access for some reason or another, and there you have it.
Personally, I think that instead of building a bunch of separate networks, they should build more high-speed infrastructure for the Internet. Bigger pipes and more of them, more satellites, etc. Then, the speed will be there for just about anything, and communications within organizations can be protected with VPNs or other technologies.
Either that, or build many "parallel" Internets, each with specific purposes (science, government, business, 1337 h4x0rz, etc.) with highly controlled firewalled connections between them for allowing legitimate traffic to go between them.
Drexel not allowed (Score:1, Interesting)
Multicast enabled end to end (Score:3, Interesting)
I imagine something like the following....
1. You announce the availability of a file
2. Other peers respond saying they would like it.
3. After pre-determined amount of time, if a threshold of users have responded that they want the file. Then send back another announcement that a multicast of the file will commence in some short time period (like 5 min).
4. Let it rip!
I'm sure there would be other problems to think about, like what happens if you drop packets....but it would still be cool.
I'm on an Internet2 multicast enabled organization, and as a test I multcasted a DVD LIVE using VLC to a friend on the other side of the world. It was really cool!