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The Blues for LEDs 475

Corey Burger writes "Seems somebody rolled out of bed on the wrong side today. The Globe and Mail's Ian Johnson delivers up a rant about the ubiquity of the new blue LEDs."
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The Blues for LEDs

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  • Why (Score:1, Interesting)

    by flossie ( 135232 ) on Sunday April 11, 2004 @09:33AM (#8829906) Homepage
    Why doesn't he just buy toys that don't have blue LEDs then. Manufacturers will respond quickly if toys with green LEDs sell better than blue ones.
  • by Tango42 ( 662363 ) on Sunday April 11, 2004 @09:36AM (#8829924)
    Looking around, I can't see any blue LEDs. There is one blue light on my Bluetooth docking station, which might be an LED, but it's covered by a clouded plastic button, so I can't tell, and it certainly isn't bright. Does anyone else have as many blue LEDs around them as thing guy says he does?
  • by Mister Transistor ( 259842 ) on Sunday April 11, 2004 @09:43AM (#8829944) Journal
    Just the other day, one of my friends just got a new Nextel and the mobile DC cigarette lighter plug has this annoyingly bright Blue LED on it. He's pissed, says it totally destroys his night vision and it's about 100x brighter than it needs to be to verify the cigarette lighter adapter is bottomed out.

    I remember when Blue LED's were first introduced in the April 1 issue of Byte Magazine (sometime around 1987 IIRC) as an April Fool's joke! Finally, two or three years later they were actually invented!

  • by Benm78 ( 646948 ) on Sunday April 11, 2004 @09:46AM (#8829955) Homepage
    First of all, the amazingly bright blue LEDs described are really not a good choice for indicators. The problem is not in their color, but usually in their rather small 'viewing angle' - this results in an idicator that is blazingly bright when viewed head on, but hard to see from an angle.

    As for the color, the blue LED does mark the quantum barrier surpassed by nichia a decade or so ago.

    Now, roughly 10 years after the introducion of the first practical blue LEDs, we see a whole range of LED products based on the leap made at that time. For example, UV leds are becoming more and more common, and find applications in money checkers, forensics and scientific appliances.

    Also, LEDs are becoming very usefull light sources in torches, automotive (brake)lights, traffic signals etc. etc.

    Also, keep in mind that many other colors of LED are based on the work by Nichia.. new bright green leds are, white leds are (using a blue led and a phosphor), and also advances in red and yellow leds were achieved.

    I think that idicators are just an over the top use of a technology that will bring us more and more interesting light-emitting devices for all kinds of uses.

  • Re:Why (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Ralph Yarro ( 704772 ) on Sunday April 11, 2004 @09:48AM (#8829963) Homepage
    Single-person boycotts don't work.

    Individuals deciding what they do and don't like then buying what they like and not what they don't is exactly how markets do normally work.
  • by nutznboltz ( 473437 ) on Sunday April 11, 2004 @09:48AM (#8829967) Homepage Journal
    I remember when Blue LED's were first introduced in the April 1 issue of Byte Magazine (sometime around 1987 IIRC) as an April Fool's joke! Finally, two or three years later they were actually invented!
    I remember the same thing about 3" disk drives. Is it worth going back through old April Fool's Day issues of Byte looking for what's next?
  • by cmacb ( 547347 ) on Sunday April 11, 2004 @09:51AM (#8829981) Homepage Journal
    "Does anyone else have as many blue LEDs around them as thing guy says he does?"

    Nope, not me.

    Doesn't it seem odd that everything this guy owns has blue LEDs? He must replace his entire collection of electronic devices every month or two. Must be nice. The only thing I have with a blue LED in it is a small flashlight that uses one AA battery and is almost as usefull as a full sized flashlight (except for the slight color distortion). These things are great.

    He's right though about manufacturers tending to over-use new technologies. People behind the scenes who market individual components such as this, bluetooth devices, dimmer switches, and on and on, seem to have a disproportionate impact on what finds it's way into our homes than we as consumers do. Do they use focus groups for design issues such as this, or do they just GUESS what will sell?

    Whatever they do often doesn't work for me. Which is why I changed from someone who has to have the latest version of everything (like the author of the article apparently) to someone who is quite happy to get last years model, maybe, and if the price is right.
  • cycle 4 (Score:2, Interesting)

    by ZHaDoom ( 65485 ) on Sunday April 11, 2004 @09:51AM (#8829982) Homepage
    Its the cycle of technologie. Invent/expenisve/affordable/plaster it everywhere/anoyance/praticality.

    My bluetooth usb hub just got some electical tape to cover its flashing blue light. For a long time I was wishing I didn't have usb port in the frount of my case.
  • Just unscrew it... (Score:2, Interesting)

    by FerretFrottage ( 714136 ) on Sunday April 11, 2004 @09:52AM (#8829983)
    and replace it with a black light party light bulb.....hummmm now I'm off to be the inventor or the first black light LED

    damn Black light LEDs [halloweenhost.com]

  • by DrLZRDMN ( 728996 ) on Sunday April 11, 2004 @09:58AM (#8830006)
    those lights can be ok if they came with the car or were proffesionaly installed, when used properly they point to the ground more than regular lights and won't blind you like even a normal light but if some ricer who thinks their cool slaps them in and has them point straight forward its easy to hurt peoples eyes even at dim then there unsafe and should be banned for street use
  • Re:Nozzle Lights (Score:5, Interesting)

    by SomeoneGotMyNick ( 200685 ) on Sunday April 11, 2004 @10:06AM (#8830039) Journal
    HEY!!!

    I stick valve stem lights on my tires.... My motorcycle tires, that is.

    I bought a set of white tire lights and replaced the LED's with 10000mcd whites and now my motorcycle can be seen more easily at night by traffic in the next lane.

    You'd be suprised how invisible you are on a motorcycle at night without sufficient side lighting. Now people can at least see rings of bright white light from my wheels. I've even noticed less of a tendency of people trying to pull over into my lane thinking nothing was there. Then again, if the morons would remove the supposedly "cool looking" dark filters off of their headlights, they might see the reflection off the chrome.
  • Re:Red vs Green (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 11, 2004 @10:06AM (#8830041)
    It has nothing to do with 200 years ago. Red means stop in nature to a lot of different animals, man included. There are many insects that have red markings under their wings that they show to tell predators "Watch out! I'm dangerous!". Animals use red to issue a warning. So red meaning stop is an ancient genetic memory shared throughout nature, not some convention that was invented 200 years ago. Dumbass.
  • Shuttle SB75G2 (Score:5, Interesting)

    by ticklemeozmo ( 595926 ) <justin...j...novack@@@acm...org> on Sunday April 11, 2004 @10:12AM (#8830070) Homepage Journal
    As far as expensive gadgets go, the Shuttle SB75G2 [shuttle.com] has a blue power LED that lights up my ENTIRE LIVING ROOM when pitch black. The room is lit with a ghastly blue hue just enough to where you can navigate after shutting out all the rest of the light.

    This guy is right on target with this new "blue" craze because it's starting to take the coolness out of all the things I've custom modded with blue LEDs :(
  • by hyc ( 241590 ) on Sunday April 11, 2004 @10:50AM (#8830219) Homepage Journal
    Red LEDs are definitely great for brake lights. I've gotten really fond of amber LEDs for turn signals, even though they're still ridiculously expensive compared to incandescent bulbs. I converted my car's turn signals to LEDs here [comcast.net].

    I'll probably convert the tail lights pretty soon. Having to replace any signal bulb once is one time too many, I think.
  • by ChrisMaple ( 607946 ) on Sunday April 11, 2004 @10:53AM (#8830231)
    The eye is relatively insensitive to deep blue. As an approximation, sensitivity is 10 times greater to yellow-green light. Sensitivity is also low for deep red. To find a graph, look for "luminous efficacy".

    The attraction is that for many years blue LEDs were nearly impossible to fabricate. Next, they were expensive and inefficient. Next, just expensive. Now, the old problems are gone and they have the highest light output per watt of all LEDs, and they're filling a pent-up demand dating back three decades.

  • by Weavus ( 123505 ) on Sunday April 11, 2004 @10:54AM (#8830236)
    One of the best waste of money I have found in a long time. Its even a feature of the watch that blue LEDs are the second most expensive LEDs you can get.

    Pimpin aint easy watch by PIMP [tokyoflash.com]

    A note that came with the watch said the battery only lasts 6-9 months if I need to know the time 15 times a day but who cares when you have such a rockin wrist peice.
  • by LinuxHam ( 52232 ) on Sunday April 11, 2004 @11:40AM (#8830433) Homepage Journal
    Does anyone else have as many blue LEDs around them as thing guy says he does?

    I think a lot of people missed the comment the author made about his job reviewing stuff. That means he's going to have TONS of new stuff all around him all the time.

    But no, as for me, I remember being a little taken aback the first time I drove my car at night with the car charger for my Nextel i730 in the socket. My car has the accessory socket clear on the passenger side of the center console, nearly in front of the passenger's left knee. The first time I glanced out the passenger window I realized how freaking bright that blue LED is. It took a little getting used to, but now when I look out the passenger window at night, I have a bright blue dot right in the middle of my view. Thanks, Motorola, ya bastids. At least its not showing up in my mirror.
  • Re:Why (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 11, 2004 @11:55AM (#8830498)
    Speaking of possible boycotts, here's something that Slashdot's not covering relevant to the topic at hand:
    Antec has received a patent for case fan LEDs." [neoseeker.com] They received the patent January 20, and have started sending out C&D style letters not only to manufacturers, but to retailers that are selling LED fans from other manufacturers. These fans have been around for years now, with their roots in the modding community itself. The fact that Antec's gone out and claimed this as their IP is more than a bit ridiculous. The fact that they received a patent on it is worse - what exactly is non-obvious about sticking a few lights on something?

    Sorry for going slightly OT, but it's slightly annoying to see some random rant about blue LEDs on the front page after the editors rejected a submission of blatant patent abuse in the same field not even a day ago.
  • Re:Red vs Green (Score:2, Interesting)

    by eizan ( 138350 ) on Sunday April 11, 2004 @12:06PM (#8830570)
    It might also be that red is the color of our blood-- it might be evolutionarily optimal to respond most strongly to the a color that is guaranteed to be emitted when we are badly injured.
  • Re:Fat cat (Score:2, Interesting)

    by SubtleNuance ( 184325 ) on Sunday April 11, 2004 @12:16PM (#8830621) Journal
    exactly what i was going to say. Ive seen plenty of devices with BlueLEDs. Funny, I just havnt bought anything since that 'fashion' changed (and they dropped in price as he mentioned). If this guy wasnt such a rampant, hyper-consumer. He's probably not, he's a tech-writer, he probably needs them for review but he is emulating a lifestyle. That lifestyle also finds their good fortuen stifflying... this guy with his fancy-blue-LEDs, Victorian house-wives with keeping up with coutoure or the Drama House.

    I'll feel sympathy for this guy when everyone's problems are so difficult.
  • by daveschroeder ( 516195 ) * on Sunday April 11, 2004 @12:49PM (#8830841)
    ...when I see them along with red LEDs on a Crown Victoria in my rearview mirror.

    Seriously though, more [emergencyv...utions.com] and more [911ep.com] companies [yahoo.com] are starting to use LEDs for warning lighting on emergency vehicles. They don't draw huge amounts of power like incandescent systems, sometimes requiring additional batteries and/or heavy duty alternators; they don't require high voltage triggers like like strobe systems; and they've gotten bright enough to handle about any application other than illumination. It's taken a while for the blues to get bright enough to useful for these tasks; some early iterations are barely visible next to their red counterparts in daylight (though they've gotten to the point now where some of these LED systems are so bright they seem to be giving you eye surgery).

    One interesting thing if you look at the pricing: blue and white still often cost more than double the price of red, amber, or green.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 11, 2004 @12:56PM (#8830891)
    ...that here in Brazil, those bad/mad drivers install these blue leds close to the license plate to blind policemen, avoiding tickets.

    And there is no legislation to avoid these lights yet.
  • by danila ( 69889 ) on Sunday April 11, 2004 @01:10PM (#8830995) Homepage
    Why can't the manufacturers include an option to turn that shit off? Most of the devices usually have some way to change the settings, either an on-screen menu or a computer control panel applet. It should be rather simple to add a "disable LED indicator" option. I have an ADSL modem and a switch, sitting on the table. Honestly, I don't care about what these devices are doing 99.99% of the time. And in those rare cases when I do care, I can usually afford 30 seconds to enable the LEDs. To think of it, I probably can use the program on the PC they are connected to to find out how they are doing. So the manufacturer can save the cost of those LEDs and make the product less annoying.

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