Google's Gmail To Offer 1GB E-mail Storage? 1082
tstoneman writes "Wow, according to the New York Times (free reg. req.), looks like Google is really trying to push the envelope by offering 1 GB free storage for e-mail users via a service called Gmail, still in the testing phase, so that users never need to change their e-mail address. In addition, they want to offer their searching capabilities so that users can search through their entire set of e-mail, I guess forever. CNET News also has more details." Update: 04/01 02:38 GMT by S : The Google site now has an official press release, naturally dated April 1st.
Google is gettting ready, but for what? (Score:5, Insightful)
However, the email service sounds great. 1GB of space is incredible but I think I would like the ability to do a fast search through all of my stored email even more. Even though the article notes that 1GB per user will cost Google only about $2 to maintain (they didn't say if that was a annual cost or what), if they did get 100M users that would be pretty expensive! It makes you wonder if they don't have a tiered service in mind down the road. Of course, this will be "advertiser supported" so who knows how invasive that will or will not be when using their mail services.
Still, this all smacks of either "window dressing" for Wall Street, "war paint" for Microsoft, or, perhaps, both? Either way the users will be winners for a least a little while.
Happy Trails!
Erick
Is this an April Fool's joke? (Score:5, Insightful)
1GB of Storage vs. Changing E-mail Address? (Score:5, Insightful)
It might allow you to keep many more e-mails than possible with yahoo or hotmail, but how will this allow me to never change my e-mail again?
Another email address that will never change! (Score:5, Insightful)
So after netscape.net, hotmail.com, yahoo.com, real.net I will have a google.com address which will never need to be changed!
I already have a lot of them you know
Edwin
Re:Google is gettting ready, but for what? (Score:5, Insightful)
It's about time (Score:5, Insightful)
This could be a Good Monopoly (Score:5, Insightful)
then, if they implement a good spam filter, including the ability to cross-reference all their users reported spam or similar titled emails, then they could effectively eliminate non-POP spam.
of course their popularity will make them a huge target of spammers' attention, but I have more faith in Google's abilities than I do in the spammers'.
Unlimited attatchment size? (Score:3, Insightful)
The sad thing is, the people who would exploit Google's offering will also be whining when the service has to be terminated or severely restricted because of their abusive behavior.
As always, there's probably more to the story - time will tell.
Matt Fahrenbacher
Re:What day is it launching on? (Score:3, Insightful)
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No april fools jokes here. For real. [dealsites.net]
Re:What day is it launching on? (Score:2, Insightful)
Link to the service: http://gmail.google.com/ [google.com]
Re:Google is gettting ready, but for what? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Google is gettting ready, but for what? (Score:5, Insightful)
1 gig? Meh..... :) (Score:3, Insightful)
One may also consider that if they are shelling out 1G of free storage, that the advertisers are going to foot the bills for the massive storage arrays. Think: Tagline: Goggle!
Re:1GB limit makes warez heads like me cream my pa (Score:3, Insightful)
Get your friends to sign up and forward the iso to everyone using CC.
650 1 mb files? That's more work than paying for it. Let alone the fact that if you're CCing all your friends you're sending out 650mb * number of people - that's a lot of bandwith that adds up quickly and gets you noticed. I don't think any real warez group is going to be using this.
Dear Google (Score:2, Insightful)
Quit trying to be everything (think Yahoo) and stick to being the best search engine on the net or one day you will find yourself in the back room frying chicken and tossing salads and wondering WTF went wrong.
What's really interesting (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Wahooo (Score:5, Insightful)
We'll have guys writing p2p applications on top of this which let you automatically find the warez you need, then automatically trigger a forward from the mail account where the file is located. And the anonymity is so much easier because the files are being moved by someone else.
Re:Google is gettting ready, but for what? (Score:5, Insightful)
Setting aside the posibilty that this is an April Fool's joke, (Although it does say March 31st on the story..) perhaps advertising is exactly what they're after. Instead of using disposable accounts, they make it so you never need to clean your mailbox again. That means you use Google as your mail client instead of whatever app you use. That means their ads are always up, etc.
I'm skeptical about this, really. But hey, it has the virtue of never having been tried. What kind of revenue can you get when you give somebody a low-cost service that makes them eyeball your site many times a day every day?
Re:Is this an April Fool's joke? (Score:3, Insightful)
I have to admit, though, as far as April Fool's jokes go, this is definitely one of the better ones. I mean seriously, this isn't exactly out of the realm of possibility.
Two words: Jayson Blair (Score:2, Insightful)
Printing hoaxes isn't beyond some Times journalists [msn.com].
Re:Spam Storage (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Wahooo (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Wahooo (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm going to take a guess (Score:5, Insightful)
Unless you can anonymously browse other people's e-mail it's really not going to work. At best there would just be people advertising their accounts and people would have to manually (or submit a form) e-mail them a request.
At any rate, any system that attempts to whore out Google will be public and no doubt Google will squish such accounts pretty quickly and have no trouble getting the authorities to act on it. I had free anonymous FTP for awhile but since I have an obscure IP (more warez people fish popular IP ranges and don't bother to go to a web-site to see the big giant ad) I only had to report a couple people to their ISP for attempting to store warez on it.
I offer POP3 accounts with no storage limits but with a 15MB attachment limit and I expect e-mails to be pulled from the server. The idea of no storage limits is so that you don't go on vacation only to lose e-mails because your inbox got too full and so you can get large files back and forth easily. Not so you can use it as your own personal harddrive.
I think Google is really overselling this service and once it's all debugged they'll most likely offer something a bit more sane.
Or maybe their next goal is the best spam fighting engine on the planet and offering people insane amounts of space they'll never use is just a way to get people to drop everything else so they can start collecting more spam than AOL for analysis.
Until MyDoom came out and Cox blocked incomming port 25 on top of the already blocked outgoing port 25 I was running a spam can for that very purpose: get all the spam you can where you don't care and then use the info to preemptively block spam from your real inboxes.
Ben
Not a good idea (Score:3, Insightful)
This idea needs a rethink. Even if it is true.
Re:Wahooo (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:I dunno (Score:4, Insightful)
In fact, Google having it might be better - if word gets out that they're letting the government read people's email, they'll lose the audience for those ads they'll be selling.
However, since no one is selling ads to Evolution on my deesktop, a search warrant doesn't kill marketing dollars for anyone.
Re:Google Adwords (Score:5, Insightful)
Just because the ad a mail provider shows you is unrelated to words in your email doesn't mean they aren't "watching" you or invading your privacy in any way.
Adwords by themselves imply nothing relating to personal privacy.
I love Google to bits, but... (Score:5, Insightful)
Google search = providing me with other people's stuff. Google mail = potentially providing other people with my stuff.
Definitely an April's Fool. With proof. (Score:1, Insightful)
Then go to froogle.google.com.
Then go to gmail.google.com.
What do you notice? Right, no "TM" at the corner of the logo!
I don't think their lawyers would be this foolish if it were meant to be real.
Re:You are forgetting something though. (Score:3, Insightful)
Maybe not so. They don't read all the text on every search: they index it before it's saved and they search the index. That returns pointers to saved messages which are then decompressed if requested by the user.
Re:Google is gettting ready, but for what? (Score:5, Insightful)
I resolved to purchase a domain and collect all mails to the domain (catch-all), leaning how bad that was, I now have only a few allowed. My main one get more spam every week and I know that one day I will have to leave it too, at least for another on the same domain.
Thinking that Google will be a permanent solution is a little short sighted, the only way you can assure a permanent address which you can control is to purchase a domain, and even then you may still have to move one day. (I'll gladly use my 1 GB though.)
Read the Press Release - Something's Fishy (Score:2, Insightful)
come on, kvetched? no other Google press releases [google.com] have this kind of informality. So, this is either April Fool's, or something trying to _look_ like April Fool's.
PISSED OF AT .MAC (Score:3, Insightful)
Google is smart. Most people will not use all the space. Hard drives are cheat, and the 1 gig thing will PULL people away in droves. Especially if the only ads are the nice polite AdSence crap they have! Hotmail sucks without Mozilla and AdBlocker.
Okay... time to stop reading Slashdot... (Score:2, Insightful)
Mail between Google accounts (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:I'm going to take a guess (Score:3, Insightful)
a) have a system similar to FetchYahoo!, but limited to downloading headers only (or imap/pop3 access)
and
b) write a quick program to parse commands out of the headers.
Heck
There are alot of holes left to fill for such a system, but it is possible. For instance, FetchYahoo only handles grabbing messages but messages are sent from the local system
If there is an attachment size limitation that can easily be fixed by sending multipart messages (ahhh, UUencode could make a comeback).
Do I think the above is likely? No, Google is fairly savvy, but anything is possible.
Re:I love Google to bits, but... (Score:3, Insightful)
-B
1Gb for what ? (Score:3, Insightful)
I get 100Mb available on my very french provider [freesurf.fr], I've been using this address for five years, and I'm still at 30% of the total capacity.
Binary attachments, furthermore, are rarely re-used over time, and only constitute evidence against you in court... :)
Tip : when you visit pr0n, or any kind of sensitive contente / untrusted source, just use another email address previously registered only for that specific use. So far, only 2 spams a week on my normal mail : and this is only because I began to work (ah... the basement.).
Regards,
jdif
Re:Dear Google (Score:5, Insightful)
Google is huge.
And yet still, every piece of the puzzle is simple as can be. Google realizes that each piece is its own piece and should be used independantly of the others without sucking the user to a page he didn't intend to visit.
What's the primary complain about computers second to "It doesn't work?" "It takes up so much time!" Who wants to visit a website which requires drudging through links, ads and banners to do what you want? People want a simple interface and want to get their task done.
To illustrate the point: on Yahoo, you'll see distractions and clutter attempting to get you to spend more time at their website and use more of their utilities. Most people are annoyed by this. On Google, you won't find link upon link cluttering up the page trying to get you to go elsewhere. You won't find animated ads. You won't find banners. On the other hand, you WILL find what you need -- in a search or otherwise.
Google shoots for a great user experience -- and users come back. Google focuses on quality of product, not quality of marketing.
There's no reason that something this big can't be great. With the right management and the right motives, as Google has had on their very long journey thus far, this can work. These types of successes don't happen often, but Google is already a long way down that path and doesn't appear to be wandering off of it.
Cheers
Re:Beware too much data concentrated (Score:2, Insightful)
That might be a good thing in the right hands. If I had access to Google's logs, the first thing I'd do is go back to 9/11 and look for WTC-related stuff before anything happened. Obviously there's a huge spike when the news got out, but who was doing screwy queries beforehand?
It might reveal some interesting things.
Well there is a real difference (Score:5, Insightful)
Because when you implement a consumer level storage solution, the drive is your entire cost. You buy it, store data, and our happy. That's not the case with our UNIX storage. First, it is Sun hardware so more expensive anyhow. Second, it is all SCSI RAID-5 with a hot spare, more expensive disks and 2 of them wasted space. Finally, it's all backed up. Nightly, tapes rotated weekly, with monthly trips to a secure offsite vault.
It's not so cheap to implement sotrage of that level. To expand it requires not getting another disk, but getting more disks, hardware to hold those disks, a tape backup unit capable of backing up ALL the storage in one shot, tapes to hold those backups, and space in the storage facility (we actually get that last one for free).
We don't just get to drive to CompUSA, drop $200 and boost the disk space. It takes thousands of dollars, not to mention staff time spent planning and implementing the changeover to result in no loss of service or data. Because of this, it is expected that when we put a solution into place, it will last a number of years. We are currently upgrading it, but that'll be the last time for a minimum of 3 years.
There are compenstaions though. Users expect, correctly, that if they accidently delete a file, we will be able to recover a copy only 1 day old. They expect that if a disk fails, there will be no interruption to their work. They expect that even if the building were destroyed, their data would survive. This is all correct, but all expensive.
This is also what is offered by most online webhosts and the like. They aren't whacking single IDE drives in their servers and hoping that they survive. They run some kind of RAID setup with regular backups. That costs a good deal more money.
There is also the problem that high storage most often infers high bandwidth. For a long time I had about 5MB stored on my website. Not supprisingly, I used less than 500MB/month. I then had more to store, and now use about 500MB. If I provided only my website to transfer the files, I'd exceed my 21GB/month quota, I have two other servers that combined tend to do around 30GB/month. What I offer would be considered low demand files (OGG soundtracks for the old iD (Doom/Doom2) and Raven (Heretic/Hexen) games.
Bandwidth is expensive, and companies need to turn a profit. They also don't want to risk lawsuits over lost data.
Re:Wahooo (Score:1, Insightful)
Take a close look at the press release... (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:I'm going to take a guess (Score:1, Insightful)
Re:woah (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Wahooo (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Wahooo (Score:5, Insightful)
It'll say a lot about the gullibility of the news media if this is indeed a joke...
Not all they're cracked up to be (Score:2, Insightful)
How to alienate mainstream media just before IPO (Score:3, Insightful)
So the mainstream press have fallen for it. Ha ha, it is to laugh. Problem is, when Google does eventually IPO, they're gonna be looking for favorable coverage from those same media outlets they made look like gooses. I wonder if the individuals in those media organizations will remember how Google made them look stoopid.
Not quite so clever. Also, Google News has picked up this story itself, linking to the mainstream stories that don't include the tip-offs that its a joke.
Thus it has become a self-replicating disinformation virus, quite disconnected from the original "joke" press-release.
Re:What day is it launching on? (Score:5, Insightful)
This is definitely not nearly as far off the deep-end as, say, PigeonRank [google.com], for example. It's not even really very funny. And it sounds a little outrageous, but not a lot. I'm 50-50 on the fence as the whether this is real or not. (It seems like it would be rare for NYTimes, Reuters, and CNet to all get suckered, for example.)
Re:Google vs. spammers (Score:2, Insightful)
Well, this kind of service wouldn't actually require 1 gig/user. It's not like they're handing you your own sealed-off hard drive. Most people will never use anything like that much space, I suspect, and the company would only have to pay for the amount used in practice.
They'd recoup costs the same way they do for search: through targeted ads. They're already pretty much caching the Internet; if anybody could handle this kind of space and bandwidth, it would be Google...
Re:Beware too much data concentrated (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Wahooo (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Wahooo (Score:3, Insightful)
On the other hand, disks have gotten to a competitive price point with offline storage. Comparing disk storage to DAT is a wash (not that the disk storage is nearly as stable over the long term, but it would be nice if at least some of the cost reductions in disk were the transition to tape. But DLT is still mind numbingly expensive, and M-O while cheaper than DLT is still more expensive than a cheap hard-drive IIRC.)
Re:Wahooo (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Well there is a real difference (Score:3, Insightful)
Web Alerts Integration? (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:1000 GB == TB? (Score:3, Insightful)
Come clean; you're the guy who made up those terms, right? Because as far as I can tell, nobody else uses them. Except as very geeky punchlines, of course.
Google's actual April Fool's Joke. (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Wahooo (Score:3, Insightful)
Actually, the reverse. The average clueless user sends and receives from his buddies gigantic image and video files, MP3s, etc, etc. You could max out a gig with just one or at most two attached ISOs.
(Yes, I know "GMail" is an April Fool joke.)
How they could do a gigabyte per user (Score:5, Insightful)
Look at all of the email that is duplicated, especially spam and mailing lists. Store one copy, hash it to a unique key somehow, and only store the key in the user's mail directory.
This same technology could be used to detect and eliminate spam -- even if spammers randomly generate bits of the message. The report spam button will generate a case history of spam patterns and deal with it. Idiots, of course, report spam falsely, so a reputation index can be learned through past behavior to weight the legitimacy of the reports and to minimize abuse.
I think it's real. Let's see. I'm going to be co-workers real money it's real, so it better be!
This must be real, because here's this year's hoax (Score:3, Insightful)
Bad sign (Score:4, Insightful)
I need this why? (Score:3, Insightful)
Remind me again, why do I need 1GB of space that puts my personal correspondence in the hands of a corporation, subject to archival and advertising?