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Commercials Come To The Net (After This Word) 1046

ctwxman writes "Say it isn't so. Full-motion commercials, when you go to click off a page, are coming to a website near you! The New York Times (standing in a bathtub with an electric iron required) reports: "Beginning tomorrow, more than a dozen Web sites, including MSN, ESPN, Lycos and iVillage, will run full-motion video commercials from Pepsi, AT&T, Honda, Vonage and Warner Brothers, in a six-week test that some analysts and online executives say could herald the start of a new era of Internet advertising." Unicast, the company responsible, says the ads will play regardless of pop-up blocking. "The only format that loads completely before it is allowed to play, the Full Screen Superstitial is guaranteed to play perfectly for every consumer, every time." I work in TV where commercials pay the freight. Is this so wrong on the net? It's not what we're used to, but maybe we're asking for more than is reasonable. I just don't know." I think I hear the whip swinging back, but harder ...
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  • umm yeah.. no (Score:3, Interesting)

    by matth ( 22742 ) on Monday January 19, 2004 @07:31PM (#8026071) Homepage
    These will play for everyone everywhere no matter what? I'd really REALLY beg to differ... I'm fairly sure my Mozilla based Linux distro of choice will be just fine and dandy hiding from these things.. goodgrief.... man!
  • Hmmm... *Any* User? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Wanker ( 17907 ) * on Monday January 19, 2004 @07:33PM (#8026101)
    The ads sure don't display for me on Mozilla 1.4 with this handy click-to-play Flash hack [squarefree.com] I saw on another Slashdot posting. <sarcasm>Oh, darn.</sarcasm>
  • and now... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by SpiffyMarc ( 590301 ) on Monday January 19, 2004 @07:35PM (#8026134)
    Beginning tomorrow, more than a dozen Web sites, including MSN, ESPN, Lycos and iVillage, will not be visited by people who read Slashdot.

    The rest of Internet users will call their ISPs and complain.

    Why is it that so many media companies have to start "wars" with consumers? Is biting the hand that feeds you a perfectly acceptable practice now? Instead of investing all this money into fighting the consumer thieves, they should work on new business models that don't "port" the old ones onto new technology.
  • riiiight... (Score:1, Interesting)

    by deadsaijinx* ( 637410 ) <animemeken@hotmail.com> on Monday January 19, 2004 @07:35PM (#8026152) Homepage
    I can't get video to play in my browser (moz on linux) without jumping through hoops. If they can get it to work flawlessly for every consumer, then I'd be amazed. As it stands, I'm fairly safe, I should assume.
  • Re:Expensive (Score:5, Interesting)

    by chunkwhite86 ( 593696 ) on Monday January 19, 2004 @07:36PM (#8026159)
    Some people, particluarly in smaller countries, pay for Internet by the MB. How much are these ads going to cost?!

    Very true. Advertising on unlimited broadband is merely a nuisance. Full video, multi-MB sized advertising on a metered low-speed connection should be a crime. Why should people have to *pay* to receive corporate advertising?

    That's like the high-school kids who pay Nike to be a walking billboard for the company. If I'm going to wear clothing that has large corporate logos, names, or slogans printed on it - they damn well better be paying *me* to do it.
  • What the hell. (Score:3, Interesting)

    by CGP314 ( 672613 ) <CGP@ColinGregor y P a lmer.net> on Monday January 19, 2004 @07:37PM (#8026191) Homepage
    Beginning tomorrow, more than a dozen Web sites, including MSN, ESPN, Lycos and iVillage, will run full-motion video commercials from Pepsi, AT&T, Honda, Vonage and Warner Brothers, in a six-week test that some analysts and online executives say could herald the start of a new era of Internet advertising.

    There is a revolt [slashdot.org] over popups. Who thinks this is a good time for full-motion commercials? What kind of reaction are they expecting from the public on this one?


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  • Lynx (Score:2, Interesting)

    by anarchie ( 114750 ) on Monday January 19, 2004 @07:39PM (#8026218)
    Full Screen Superstitial is guaranteed to play perfectly for every consumer, every time."

    So they're saying these ads will work with lynx/links (or whatever your favourite TUI browser is), if so what do I get for this guarantee? :)

  • I predict.. (Score:1, Interesting)

    by WolfieN ( 654940 ) on Monday January 19, 2004 @07:41PM (#8026241)
    we shall see a increase in WAP and Lynx usage.
  • Right!!!! (Score:3, Interesting)

    by AntEater ( 16627 ) on Monday January 19, 2004 @07:48PM (#8026337) Homepage
    "the Full Screen Superstitial is guaranteed to play perfectly for every consumer, every time."

    A couple of things bother me about this concept:

    1. yet another attempt to hijack my cpu whether I like it or not. What I like about the web is that it is an interactive medium where I choose what I want to view. Anyone remember push technology? People still haven't figured out that you can't turn the web into another TV without destroying its value.

    2. Commercial content appears to have decreasing value on the web. I've found more and more over the years that I spend less time at some of the "big" sites and find more value in the content from smaller organizations.

    3. Um, somehow I doubt they've found a universal, cross-platform, vendor-neutral, browser agnostic, method of delivery. Unless it is plain old w3c html 3.2 I doubt it. We'll see how some of the more obscure browsers deal with it (Elinks, lynx, dillo, etc).

    4. I find it offensive to refer to the general public as "consumers". Maybe it's just me, but it reeks of a corporate world view where the only thing that is relevant is the exchange of goods and services and lets not forget where your place is in this relationship.

    5. Generally speaking, the first time I run into a "commercial" of this nature at a web site will be the last time I visit that site. My 56k home connection is strained enough as it is.

  • by TubeSteak ( 669689 ) on Monday January 19, 2004 @07:50PM (#8026358) Journal
    partner=GOOGLE [nytimes.com]
    "The new ad technology, from Unicast, an advertising company based in New York, invisibly loads the commercial while unwitting users read a Web page, then displays the ad across the entire browser area when users click to a new page"
    What a shitty idea. This is exactly like an exit pop-up (you know, those ones that only show up when you try to x out a page). Worse than that, is that they DL in the background, which will choke 56k modems. "The resulting ad is identical to TV, whether the user has a high- or low-speed connection."

    Bullshit. I have yet to see a decent video that can be downloaded by a 56k modem in the time it takes to read a page and be played fullscreen. I picked up a freebie program back in my 56k days and i still use it. No-Flash [geocities.jp] lets you disable java, flash, pictures, animations, videos and so on. This little program made such a huge difference (especially by killing animations) in my browsing experience. At the bottom of their page, they admit the google toolbar does pretty much the same stuff. Hopefully that means it'll stop those videos from downloading, not just from playing.

  • by b0r0din ( 304712 ) on Monday January 19, 2004 @07:55PM (#8026424)
    they have less need to directly charge their visitors...

    They won't have any visitors.

    I don't even go to ESPN anymore. Ever since they started all that full motion video crap, the site has gotten worse and worse. I've avoided gamespot and gamespy for the same reasons; too much annoying crap to dig through.

    I predict that not far in the future, you'll 'pay' to see only the half-annoying ads that already circulate every content page on earth, just like cable once offered free content for pay and now has ads just like every other public TV station.

    I'm already switching from AIM to Trillian, as they started putting sound into their already annoying new ads. Which frankly is stupid, since no other messaging program does this.

    Pretty soon the world will be like Stephenson's Diamond Age, people's eyes will have to filter through all the crap because ad campaigns will implant chips into babies when they're born so their ears hear the dr pepper song while they're sleeping.

    Of course that's BS, but you get the point. Where will it stop? Already ball clubs have logos pasted on, pretty soon you'll see them looking like Nascar drivers.

  • by flacco ( 324089 ) on Monday January 19, 2004 @08:08PM (#8026568)
    i've opted out of news sites that require registration.

    i've opted out of operating systems that tell me what i can and can't do with my computer.

    i've opted out of television unless i can get it without advertising (canceled my cable but the bastards just won't come and shut it off).

    i will certainly opt out of any site that requires me to be face-fucked by advertisers before accessing their content.

    the truth is, advertising-supported media will always cater to those kinds of people who are susceptible and receptive to advertising: in a word, imbeciles.

    i say: kill all the advertisers. content will then come from two sources: individuals and communities who are truly passionate about their subject matter, and those with content that is actually worth paying for. i favor this for web, tv, radio - all of it. i want to just pay for my fucking content and get it free of all the time-wasting, soul-destroying, mind-manipulating, insulting, humiliating shit that drips from the lobotomy scars in advertisers' foreheads.

    have i mentioned that i don't like advertising?

  • Re:umm yeah.. no (Score:3, Interesting)

    by OverlordQ ( 264228 ) on Monday January 19, 2004 @08:14PM (#8026640) Journal
    Yes I think Me and my IE6.0 on a Commadore 64 [mozdev.org] will work nicely. Oooh look, now I'm running IE5.0 on a Mac! (Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Mac_PowerPC)
  • by Master of Transhuman ( 597628 ) on Monday January 19, 2004 @08:25PM (#8026737) Homepage
    Don't go to any site that uses this technology.

    It's coercive to run an ad deliberately intended to evade consumer ad-blocking software.

    Show your displeasure - do not go to these sites, send email to these sites telling them so, and send email to the ADVERTISERS telling them so.

    Enough people revolt, the companies paying for this crap will stop paying for it - simple business decision.

    These people need to be told that the Net is NOT one-way broadcasting.

  • by LnxAddct ( 679316 ) <sgk25@drexel.edu> on Monday January 19, 2004 @08:28PM (#8026769)
    Actually, most ISPs calculate your monthly cap based on the average bandwidth by all customers. If it exceeds a certain number, then they send you a letter. This may be good for all of us if it bumps that average up a notch or two:)
    Regards,
    Steve

    P.S.I'm sure in a week Moz's nightly build and/or a Moz plug-in will have some feature blocking these.
  • by TitanBL ( 637189 ) <brandon@NOSpAm.titan-internet.com> on Monday January 19, 2004 @08:29PM (#8026783)
    Both with Motion and the Unicast commercials, "advertisers can reach people during the day, when they typically don't watch television, and continue delivering that brand message in the same creative format," Mr. McDonough said, adding, "It's a wonderful way to surround the consumer."

    I am thinking that this BS is not going to go away. Advertising is in trouble (dont know about you, but I rarely see commercials since I got tivo). Television commercials, radio commercials, and print ads are becoming less effective every day - as people move to the internet for their entertaiment/information.

    They are losing their captive audience and are going to try as hard as they can to "surround" it again. Anyone think they will really discontinue such ads if people complain?

    It seems to me that the only way to prevent circumvention of these ads (without requiring user feedback "enter this code") would be to control which browser they use. IE only sites? Where is your Trusted Computing Certificate? Don't have one? Sorry, you are not "trusted", you can only surf the "unsecure" web.

    Release OS X for x86 - Linux Desktop Developers get your heads out of your ass and create something as functional and easy to use as Windows - time is of the essence!
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 19, 2004 @08:29PM (#8026792)
    is a dinosaur walking up to me and saying hi, like it's no big deal that it isn't long dead. Television was an anomoly. For one short period in history, a select few had total control over a major communication medium - television and radio. They used this to their advantage of course, and made lots of money. That is gone, hopefully for good. We are all peers on the internet. Nobody controls it. When we get annoyed by advertising, we just go somewhere else for our information, or block the ads with privoxy or proximitron. Marketing will never be the same as it was during television's reign. When will these dinosaurs realise that they are dead?
  • Re:Wrong (Score:2, Interesting)

    by fermion ( 181285 ) on Monday January 19, 2004 @08:42PM (#8026968) Homepage Journal
    I think this is the confusion. Is the net like tv, magazines, direct marketing, sales calls, or what.

    I think that initially many had a reasonable expectation of the net. It was a print media. You put ads on the page, and, like a newspaper or magazine, consumers would look at the ones they wanted. The nice thing about the net was that ads could be more directed, but frankly, weren't ads already pretty well directed? I mean magazines have already pretty much mastered the art of delivering a demographic to an advertiser.

    I think the place where everyone messed up was ignoring the branding effect, and expecting excessive numbers of immediate responses. Many print and TV ads are not made so the consumer will make an immediate purchase, and those that are tend to be slimy products that a self respecting retail outlet would not touch.

    Yet magazines survive. Companies pay massive amounts of money for slick pull out ads that most will just rip out and trash without even a single look. The ads layout of magazines themselves, with 20 pages of ads hiding a table of contents, makes me want to not buy the magazine. I suppose if we take the rational view that the editorial content of the magazine is irrelevant, then the fact that the table of contents is less important that the ads is a defensible maneuver. The ad formats of the web will be the same. The sites that use the most aggressive advertising will be those whose editorial content is meaningless and main purpose is delivering the impressions.

    Anyway, some people will enjoy downloading these commercials. I won't because they tend to crash my browser. I learned this from The Onion and no longer go to that site. Also, if the ads are as badly designed as those on /., these companies are going to miss important branding opportunities for those that do not play the full ad.

  • Re:Wrong perspective (Score:5, Interesting)

    by ShadowDrake ( 588020 ) on Monday January 19, 2004 @08:43PM (#8026972)
    People misanalyze the "failure" the past ad formats gave.

    If we held TV commercials like popup ads were to be rated, Pepsi would be wasting $2 mil on a Superbowl spot if people didn't get up-- before the end of the game-- and buy Pepsi.

    If you expect that, then ANY advertisement technique short of "click here to remove the window" will fail. The ads are incidental to the desired info in the eyes of the consumer.

    The only exception is ads that tie in well to the content. I have bought from such ads. When I look at a review site, there's a reasonable chance I want the item reviewed, so show me a shop.

    The good news: In all likelihood, the first few sites to try it will face a DDoS from users who click "refresh" every few seconds in the attempt to get the page to show... "Why is the next page downloading xxxxkb? Must be broken."

  • Re:Wrong perspective (Score:5, Interesting)

    by zzzmarcus ( 183118 ) on Monday January 19, 2004 @08:46PM (#8027004)
    No, you're both wrong... of course no one forces them to provide content free of charge and no one is forcing you to visit a site that "tricks" you into downloading an interstitial.

    It's capitalism--if you don't like the ads, stop visiting the sites, if you don't mind them, keep going there. If enough people don't like them, the company will change its ways or go out of business. It's that simple. The choice is yours 100%. Personally, I don't visit sites with pop-ups or interstitials, one offense is enough for me to know not to go back to that site, and even if I were paying for bandwidth, after it happened once, I've learned my lesson and can add that site to my hosts file as one to block.
  • Re:Expensive (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 19, 2004 @08:56PM (#8027120)
    You don't have the option to check the "No thanks, I pay by the MB for my downloads" button. You don't even know about the large download until after it's done!! That's the offensive part.

    A careful reading of the article suggests something much worse. If its not finished by the time you leave the site it carries on downloading and pops up later. So even if you press the back button or move on you get hit. I'm not in the habit of closing my browser every time I leave a site.

    Luckily I don't use IE, I guarantee they'll manage to keep a hidden copy running even if you quit the browser. Crl-Alt-Del on IE is unlikely to have good effects.
  • by Sophrosyne ( 630428 ) on Monday January 19, 2004 @09:28PM (#8027418) Homepage

    The New York Times (standing in a bathtub with an electric iron required) reports:

    What does that mean, we all know that there is registration required for NYT, and even if you don't you'll find out pretty fast. This whole ripping on the new york times because you have to register is really lame and childish- almost as bad as the FIRST POST thing-- maybe I stand alone on this one, but it makes me not want to read the story after that lame ass joke.
  • Re:Wrong perspective (Score:3, Interesting)

    by iminplaya ( 723125 ) on Monday January 19, 2004 @09:33PM (#8027453) Journal
    The problem with this method is that your bandwidth is being consumed "behind your back" and you won't know it until the damage is done. Like the cel phone analogy, you don't know if it's a junk call until you answer and, bang, you just paid for a call you don't want, but you're still going to pay for it. If there's a disclaimer stating what's going to happen when(or before) you go to the site, then no problem. I'll stay away.
  • by DynaSoar ( 714234 ) on Monday January 19, 2004 @10:07PM (#8027732) Journal
    ... in what my machine will be sending back to them as part of this process. After all, it does have to send something to tell them my browser is open and waiting for their wonderful content. There's got to be some kind of ACK packet or piece of cookie or something, right?

    Oh my golly, I certainly hope that these little ACK packets don't get all munged up and get some big ole MP3 or something accidently cat'ed to them. Why, that'd shove a whole bunch of useless junk up their widget while it's waiting patiently to feed me my commercials.

    The difference between TV and the net is, we always wanted to tell the TV off, but couldn't. We've been waiting for years for this, and now we can.
  • Re:Wrong perspective (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Nazmun ( 590998 ) on Monday January 19, 2004 @10:18PM (#8027811) Homepage
    Um... Perhaps your willing to pay but a majority of net users are not. In any case you can vote with your feet. We don't know anything for sure until this is done...
  • Re:Wrong perspective (Score:2, Interesting)

    by really? ( 199452 ) on Monday January 19, 2004 @10:22PM (#8027839)
    I understand what you're saying, and I agree.
    Having said that ... burned once shame on you, burned twice, shame on me. So, the first time I get burned by one of these sites if the last time I go there.
  • by MacDork ( 560499 ) on Monday January 19, 2004 @10:41PM (#8027960) Journal

    If the ads annoy you, just e-mail their customer service department or wherever with a polite request that they stop using the ads. See where that gets us.

    On their opt-in mailing list I would imagine. Here's an idea, post the links to the ads in a +5 insightful and get every /.er to download the files five or six times each. When their server self destructs under the load and their bandwidth bill arrives, they'll probably can the idea entirely. ;-)

  • by blankoboy ( 719577 ) on Monday January 19, 2004 @11:32PM (#8028288)
    I have had ENOUGH of visiting sites with Gator pop-ups, etc and now this. While these sites do have the right to generate revenue to sustain themselves, grown and make a profit it is COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE that these sites automatically push this type of content to you with your explicit permission. In fact, I would go so far as to say it is an infringement to the security of your PC. One could call this tampering with your PC...especially the adware crap that's out there now (Gator, etc). It is a CRIME or should be! I think what really needs to be done is a filtering intitiative needs to be started just like we have for SPAM. Sites should be filtered based on the content they push to viewers. Then viewers can use these filters with a custom plug-in to their browsers and be warned in advance to opening the page as to what it is pushing to viewers. "WARNING: this site will attempt to push Gator software to your PC" "Do you want to proceed?" "This features full motion commercials" "Do you want to proceed?" Something like mailwasher except for websites instead of email. I have one machine that I use specifically for web browsing (and use Mozilla Firebird) and gaming and one for my business related matters that I do not browse the web with at all. I don't need the headaches from potential problems like this.
  • by Brandybuck ( 704397 ) on Tuesday January 20, 2004 @12:01AM (#8028475) Homepage Journal
    "The only format that loads completely before it is allowed to play, the Full Screen Superstitial is guaranteed to play perfectly for every consumer, every time."

    I've never heard of this format, but it must simply be awesome if it's universally supported by every browser on every operating system. Heck, I've even had MP3 audio files that wouldn't play, so it must simply be amazing if it's perfect.

    I'm using FreeBSD with Konqueror. And no plugins. Will this work for me? Or will I have to do all of the horribly complicated things to get the Flash plugin to work under Linux emulation mode? Maybe it uses Java. Does it use Java? If so, how can it play perfectly if I have Java disabled?

    Of course, I know the real answer. They're phrase "every consumer" means only those consumers running Windows, and possibly Mac. So what happens for the rest of us? Will these render these sites unusable, because there's no way to get past the requirement to view the advertisement? I'm thinking of all those sites that are completely and utterly inaccessible without flash.

    p.s. No, I'm not going to switch to Windows, Mac or Linux just to see some ads. No site is worth that much. Ditto for switching to anything else.
  • Make my day? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by $ASANY ( 705279 ) on Tuesday January 20, 2004 @12:27AM (#8028648) Homepage
    Now how this company is supposed to get through privoxy, squid and iptables, and start a process on my linux box is beyond me. I can't help but wonder if this stupid scheme is dependent on some "feature" available only in MSIE and/or WinXP.

    Nothing will start a mass migration towards an open-source OS/browser as an enraging stunt like this if that's the case. Go ahead and exploit every security hole/feature in Windows, I don't care. Make MSIE/Windows the platform of self-selected victims more than it is now. In the end users will choose between OSX, Linux or BSD, and the internet will be far better for it.

    Perhaps I'll stop getting Swen.W32 every single day then. I'm so terribly tired of suffering the effects of users choosing Windows.

  • by awful ( 227543 ) on Tuesday January 20, 2004 @12:43AM (#8028741) Homepage
    These ads are going to get bigger too. From the unicast website:
    I think there's still room for a larger canvas," said Allie Savarino, Senior Vice President. "What we've introduced is a new product that runs on a full screen for 15 seconds with a 300k file size, and that's the biggest canvas anyone has online. However, I think as advertisers become more comfortable they will demand even more flexibility. In time I think we will provide more length and file size."

    Note that he's not talking about the audience for these ads - he's talking about the advertisers. Once they get comfortable with 300K, they'll start pushing 500, and then 750, and then say hello to megabyte ads.
  • by HolyCoitus ( 658601 ) on Tuesday January 20, 2004 @01:04AM (#8028846)
    It's not a jab at the New York Times... It's a jab at the people who bitch about the New York Times site requiring registration. They make it out to be a hell worse than death, so the article reflects that. Just a side note: I've never signed up for the NYT website.
  • Re:Expensive (Score:3, Interesting)

    by HiThere ( 15173 ) * <charleshixsn@@@earthlink...net> on Tuesday January 20, 2004 @01:06AM (#8028851)
    I bought a subscription...but it didn't seem to do any good. It may still say "subscribed" on my user page, I don't know. But I still get the ads, and I still can't read the new articles. So...

    If I'm going to see the ads anyway, I'm not sure I also want to pay.

  • WEBRING (Score:3, Interesting)

    by SharpFang ( 651121 ) on Tuesday January 20, 2004 @07:09AM (#8030212) Homepage Journal
    WEBRING is a copyrighted name of the Microsoft Corporation.
    Sorry.

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