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Niue WiFi Network Gone, .nu TLD May Follow 389

gxc writes "The world's first free national wireless grid is no longer with us, after waves from Cyclone Heta swept over Niue's thirty metre cliffs, destroying everything. Although only one person died, the damage is so bad that there is talk of winding up the country , meaning their fortuitous ccTLD could go the way of .su. Perhaps the easiest way for Slashdotters to help Niue would be to choose a .nu domain over the dull alternatives."
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Niue WiFi Network Gone, .nu TLD May Follow

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  • Many Swedish Domains (Score:2, Interesting)

    by psleonar ( 99125 ) on Monday January 12, 2004 @02:41AM (#7950208)
    Many sites in Sweden use .nu because it means "now" in that language. (http://www.badminton.nu/ [badminton.nu], for example.)
  • by nacturation ( 646836 ) <nacturation AT gmail DOT com> on Monday January 12, 2004 @02:41AM (#7950209) Journal
    Well, Sealand doesn't exactly qualify as a recognized nation in the international scene. For smallest official independent state, I think Vatican City (Holy See) [cia.gov] qualifies for that award.
  • "nu" in dutch (Score:3, Interesting)

    by MoobY ( 207480 ) <anthonyNO@SPAMliekens.net> on Monday January 12, 2004 @02:52AM (#7950256) Homepage
    Did you know that "nu" in dutch means "now"? A lot of dutch websites have thus used this TLD as some think it's cool.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 12, 2004 @02:57AM (#7950278)
    "The sale of postage stamps to foreign collectors is an important source of revenue."

    Actually this is, or was, true of several small countries, most of them larger and wealthier than Niue - San Marino [kosel.com], for example.
  • .nu in Sweden (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Dr. Cody ( 554864 ) on Monday January 12, 2004 @03:54AM (#7950454)
    Here in Sweden, .nu is outrageously popular--even with respectable entities. .se isn't squatted to hell and back, so, what gives? Why is .nu so popular here?
  • by WIAKywbfatw ( 307557 ) on Monday January 12, 2004 @04:05AM (#7950499) Journal
    How the hell is this insightful?

    Perhaps you should RTFA and use your brain before opening your mouth.

    Let's start off showing you how far off-base you are by providing a quote from one of the articles linked to in the story summary:
    Niue has been self-governing in free association with New Zealand since 1974, and New Zealand has an ongoing responsibility to provide necessary economic and administrative assistance.
    In case you're too stupid to understand what "economic and administrative assistance" means, I'll translate it for you: it means that when they need help, New Zealand is obliged (morally, if not contractually) to provide it.

    Secondly, let's point out the bloody obvious: in an environment that's subject to weather extremes, such as hurricanes and cyclones, putting up telegraph poles isn't the best way to provide connectivity because telegraph poles and lines tend not to stay standing for long in those conditions. And of the alternatives, wireless is by far the most practical (cheaper, easier to implement and upgrade), especially on such a small scale.

    Thirdly, NZ$8 million equates to US$5.45 million. (NZ$1 = US$0.6815.) So that's US$4,500 per native Niuean. Contrast that with the US$3-4 billion pa in military aid alone that the US gives Israel (population, 6.5 million), which works out to be US$615 per Israeli.

    Now, what's the more ethical:

    A. New Zealand giving Niue $5.45 million of support, money that it would have to pay out anyway if Niue was to cease being an independent nation and return to being a part of New Zealand? or

    B. The US provinding Israel with $3-4 billion of military aid every year, some of which is spent oppressing and killing innocent Palestinean civilians, as well as Western observers (including US and British aide workers)?
  • by owlstead ( 636356 ) on Monday January 12, 2004 @04:08AM (#7950510)
    "Nu" translates to "now" in dutch, and for some time .nu places were popular. Maybe they still are in the underground scene. I haven't seen any commercial sites addopting .nu however. There are little or no .tv sites here as well.

    Maybe the problem is that these domains come cheap, and that the stuff that you can find with .nu or .tv
    domain names mostly is too.

  • by Lars Arvestad ( 5049 ) on Monday January 12, 2004 @04:15AM (#7950531) Homepage Journal
    "Nu" means "now" in Swedish too, and here it has actually taken off somewhat. It is not at all uncommon to find commercial sites on .nu. It is mostly used by upstarts rather than well known companies though.
  • A tragedy. (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Malcontent ( 40834 ) on Monday January 12, 2004 @04:16AM (#7950542)
    It's sad that so many people are not homeless. It looks like a really beautiful place to live too. If they survive this they should treat this as an opportunity to do it right the next time. The island should seriously consider using Monolithic concrete dome [monolithic.com] structures. Due to their shape they are not as effected by hurricanes and clyclones and have a good track record of surviving them. They are also cheap, and well insulated.

    OHOH I really don't know the availiblity of concrete in Niue. It may be prohibitive to build these structures if the concrete has to be imported.
  • Interesting Tidbit (Score:3, Interesting)

    by philovivero ( 321158 ) on Monday January 12, 2004 @04:25AM (#7950565) Homepage Journal
    The word "nu" (depending on the nuance) in Mandarin Chinese (ie: that spoken in Mainland China and Taiwan, ROC) is "woman" (or, more generally, Female).

    Nu [zhongwen.com].
  • by oob ( 131174 ) on Monday January 12, 2004 @04:40AM (#7950614)
    New Zealand is obliged (morally, if not contractually) to provide it

    You make some very solid arguments here. I feel I should clarify this point however; Under the 1974 agreement (which is in fact a mutually agreed addition to the Statute of Westminister) New Zealand is contractually obligated to provide assistance.

    The relationship between NZ and the various pacific island nations is a close one. For instance, most nationals of those countries are afforded NZ citizenship as a birthright and many of them use the NZ currency. Assistance and aid (despite the grandparent comment) are gladly provided by NZ to those nations, and their contribution to our collective culture is generally appreciated.
  • Re:.nu in Sweden (Score:3, Interesting)

    by DHam ( 138606 ) on Monday January 12, 2004 @04:53AM (#7950643) Homepage
    It's not just that "nu" means "now", it's also that it at least used to be the case that there were huge administrative restrictions on getting .se domains.
    Basically I think you had to be a Swedish corporation and you could only get one related to your name. We had a lecture back when I studied at Uppsala by a guy from a government department who said that they couldn't even get .se for major government projects! Even the government was using .nu.

    When I was there (in 1999) there was talk of the government more or less forcibly changing the registrar in order to change the policies. I don't know if anything happened.
  • Doesn't add up? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by m00nun1t ( 588082 ) on Monday January 12, 2004 @05:36AM (#7950768) Homepage
    The article linked [stuff.co.nz] talks about $50m worth of damage. I'm assuming it's $NZ as it's a NZ site. That's around $US34m. According to the CIA Factbook [cia.gov] there is a population of 2145, but I've heard numbers as low as 1200. Let's assume 2000. Also on the CIA site is a GDP of $US3600 per capita. I read somewhere (can't find a reference) that a few hundred houses were destroyed.

    So, $50m sounds like an awful lot - I'd like to know where that number comes from.
  • by WhodoVoodoo ( 319477 ) on Monday January 12, 2004 @06:11AM (#7950875)
    pfft.
    the pr0n sites will just move to the cook islands' domain.
    They do after all sell ".co.ck"... well maybe thats good for gay/female oriented pr0n sites... /me hides

    Anyhow, I'm feeling very bad for these struggling Niue, If some shady businessman havent stolen it, Id buy a .nu domain right now! I am in the market for a nu domain...
  • by Afty0r ( 263037 ) on Monday January 12, 2004 @06:15AM (#7950894) Homepage
    So it's a remote pacific island, far from New Zealand but with an indiginous population, and an airstrip which you can fly to from NZ.

    Why on *earth* are they not making a killing from tourism?
  • Changed now (Score:3, Interesting)

    by CrystalFalcon ( 233559 ) on Monday January 12, 2004 @06:22AM (#7950920) Homepage
    When I was there (in 1999) there was talk of the government more or less forcibly changing the registrar in order to change the policies. I don't know if anything happened.

    Changed last year to a free-for-all landgrab with after-the-fact conflict resolution model. Anybody (I don't think you have to be Swedish, even) can register a .se domain.

    In related news, the admins also slashed their domain prices 40% this year due to the overwhelming increase in registered domains. They didn't need as much money to admin the TLD as they were getting.
  • by Alereon ( 660683 ) on Monday January 12, 2004 @06:35AM (#7950964)
    Nope, the winner is the Sovereign Military Order of Malta [buckyogi.com]. Note that while Sealand IS internationally recognized, thus should be in the running, SMOM is still the smallest "real" country.
  • by Thuktun ( 221615 ) on Monday January 12, 2004 @01:37PM (#7953780) Journal
    ...what happens to quite a lot of Pacific islands in John Barnes' Mother of Storms [epiphyte.net] .

    Relating to another thread [slashdot.org], if global warming is a reality, regardless whether humans have caused it, we may be seeing much more of this kind of thing.
  • Re:Oh.nu! (Score:2, Interesting)

    by nessus42 ( 230320 ) <doug@nOsPAm.alum.mit.edu> on Monday January 12, 2004 @02:45PM (#7954494) Homepage Journal
    I actually know the son of the entrepreneur accused here of stealing the domain name from Niue, and the last time I talked with the son (a couple of years ago now) he was working for his father on managing the .nu domain.

    I may be a bit partial, and I don't know the entrepreneur himself, but his son is in no way "shady". As I understand it, they bought the domain name from Niue, in the same way that other people bought the domain name .tv from another small country, with the intent of developing it to make a profit for themselves. This cost them some significant amount of time, money, and effort, and now that Niue sees that there is a profit in it, apparently they want to renegotiate their deal.

    It is not clear to me, however, that they have the right to do that. There would be no profit here without the time, money, and effort spent by the aforementioned entrepreneur, so what is supposed to entitle the Niue government to a cut that is addition to whatever deal they originally negotiated?

    I see these claims of imperialism and pillaging of local resources going around here, but it is not like anyone is strip mining their island, or anything. This is just a domain name, for crying out out, and not even a domain name that has an obvious meaning.

    The Nuie government is whining that because their domain name has been "stolen" from them, their own people cannot participate in the Internet. I find this claim a bit disingenuous, however. Certainly it is possible, is it not, for them to be assigned a new domain name. Perhaps the new domain name won't be as catchy for the purposes of turning a profit, but, on the other hand, would certainly do the job of allowing their populace Internet access.

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