## Has The Poincare Conjecture Been Solved? 292

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Zack Coburn writes

*"An article in the Boston Globe alludes to the Poincare Conjecture being solved, possibly. For those who are unfamiliar with the conjecture, the article gives a brief description: "To solve it, one would have to prove something that no one seriously doubts: that, just as there is only one way to bend a two-dimensional plane into a shape without holes -- the sphere -- there is likewise only one way to bend three-dimensional space into a shape that has no holes. Though abstract, the conjecture has powerful practical implications: Solve it and you may be able to describe the shape of the universe." Apparently Grigory Perelman may have proved it, which would mean a $1 million award from the Clay Mathematics Institute."*We've previously discussed other possible Poincare proofs.
## Has the Poincare Conjecture Been Solved? (Score:5, Informative)

(It even says in the freaking article stub that the proof is merely alluded to, for crying out loud.)

## This Proof Isn't New (Score:5, Informative)

If you are interested in the method of proof, Perelman used the Ricci Flow, blow-up arguments, and surgery to prove the Thurston Geometrization conjecture (a theorem far more powerful than the Poincare Conjecture alone).

## TROLL (Score:1, Informative)

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## Re:Finite Universe (Score:5, Informative)

I've seen a video [uiuc.edu]Just a little note for moderators: If you see something like that, it means the post was cut 'n' pasted from another slashdot post!

Here! [slashdot.org]

With italics and everything, including the link!

Google!

## Proof Smoof (Score:3, Informative)

http://www.discover.com/issues/jan-04/features/

## Re:In 2002, I researched the COSMIC background (Score:3, Informative)

Last year I assisted with some research involving Poincare along with four other professors. We studied weak wide-angle temperature correlations in the cosmic MICROWAVE background.There exists a simple geometric model of a NON-INFINITE and NON-NEGATIVE curved space, which we call the POINCARE space.

First, he states that he is either Jean-Pierre Luminet, Alain Riazuelo, Jeffery Weeks, Jean-Philippe Uzan, or Roland Lehoucq, none of whom are Computer Science professors as his sig claims him to be. Second, none of these gentlemen teach at 'slaughter college', which once again does not exist.

Finally, that particular study was interesting,

doggbut solving Poincare's theory wouldn't affect it at all.He wrongly used Poincare's significance. The Planck surveryor data should determine Omega0 to within 1%, and from that it will be simple to conclude (as the fine men who studied this did) that if Omega0 is less than 1.01, Poincare's dodecahedron makes a bad model of the universe, and if it's greater then it's a good model. This is not dependant on proving Poincare's theorum.## A line-by-line proof... (Score:4, Informative)

OK, a fairly unfunny introduction. Fair enough.

There's no evidence of this; we don't even know who this person is. There's very little research done merely 'involving' Poincare, and this claim is just so nonspecific it could mean anything. 'Poincare' could mean anything of his, not necessarily his infamous Conjecture.

This has nothing to do with the Poincare Conjecture at all. Nor mathematics in general. This makes little sense, and is totally offtopic.

This is the only ontopic sentence here, and it's just been copy-and-pasted from the article and capitalised strangely.

The reason it sounds foreign is because it makes no sense. "I'd probably be worried if you didn't" is just message padding, and the final clause of the sentence refers to 'observations' which no one, not even the poster himself, mentioned. "no fine-tuning" is just more message padding.

I can't find any such quote on Google. The "425 2003 593" is simply a US court case reference number. Friedmann-Lemaitre is just two random names stuck together. "foundation for local physics" means nothing.

Sweeping into the conclusion in response to a nonexistent question ("Is Poincare important?")

Why does he refer to it as a postulate and not 'Conjecture' all of a sudden?

This very research which you just made up out of thin air, yes. And while Poincare's Conjecture is quite important in number theory, topology and consequently numerical cryptography, it has little relevance to physics or other sciences. He's just listed these to sound credible.

And there you have it. One of the most effective trolls today, and you all fell for it. *Sigh.*

## Re:Who Cares! or An Exciting Time To Be Alive (Score:5, Informative)

Ent transformations"---what does that even mean? Nothing. You made it up. Having a proof of Poincare's conjecture has absolutely nothing to do with crumple zones, or any engineering problem, for that matter.I agree that it's an exciting time to be alive, but if you are as ignorant about science as your post would suggest, you would do well to confine your comments to generalities and stop spreading misinformation.

## Re:I'm confused... (Score:3, Informative)

The n = 1 case of the generalized conjecture is trivial, the n = 2 case is classical (and was known to 19th century mathematicians), n = 3 (the original conjecture) remains open, n = 4 was proved by Freedman (1982) (for which he was awarded the 1986 Fields medal), n = 5 was demonstrated by Zeeman (1961), n = 6 was established by Stallings (1962), and n>=7 was shown by Smale in 1961 (although Smale subsequently extended his proof to include all n>=5).

So, to answer your question, the proof for higher dimensions doesn't hold if n10 or something (where 10 is a random number depending on the proof). Sometimes, the argument in one case relies on properties that just aren't present for smaller n. It just means you have to go hunting for a more elegent proof!

## Re:I thought... (Score:2, Informative)

the speaker said that "if P=NP is proven, then all the others are going to fall in short time, making that solution worth $8M" (or $1M * the number of problems).That's something of an exaggeration. What the speaker was probably referring to was that a non-deterministic Turing machine can easily find any mathematical proof (of a given length) once it is equipped with a formal proof verifier.

Therefore if P=NP we need only set up a sufficiently expressive verifier and then solve the Riemann hypothesis in polynomial time by searching the space of all potential proofs of less than, say, 10,000 pages of AutomatedTheoremProverSpeak. And if it came up empty then we'd know that it's false/true but unprovable/provable but the proof is ridiculously long.

But just because something is polynomial time doesn't mean it's practical to implement. Take the AKS primality test, for example, which has far greater value to number theorists than to cryptographers, since its O(n^6) running time is still too slow for primes of more than a few dozen digits. And if the P=NP algorithm was fast enough to be practical, why bother with only $1 million (or even $8 million) when the world's bank accounts are yours for the taking?

Nah, actually I'd be more in it for the mathematical fame than the money, so I'd want to publish it rather than going underground. But by then the U.S. would probably extradite me and have me executed under the terms of the super-DMCA or something.

## Re:Has the Poincare Conjecture Been Solved? (Score:0, Informative)

## Article by Milnor (Score:2, Informative)

Milnor's article [ams.org]

## Wrongly Stated (Score:1, Informative)

First of all, you will NEVER bend a plane into a sphere. If you do so, you have solved our problems with mapping OUR planet,

The right conjecture is : any simply connected(no holes) 3 dimensional closed surface is homotopic to S^3. Simple hum?

But it seems the Russian professor did it, so I heard in the halls

## Re:Has the Poincare Conjecture Been Solved? (Score:1, Informative)

Dorkwad.

## Poincare_Conjecture(n=3) := smooth Ricci Flow (Score:3, Informative)

Ricci (Rij) = Riemann (Riajb) with "slots" 1 and 3 "contracted".

Perelman and Hamilton (correct me if mistaken) tried to do a opposite contraction of the Ricci spacetime curvature by making either "slot 1" or "slot 3" variable again. And of course also prove that Ricci Flow is Homeomorphic. Hamilton proved it for some relaxed Ricci Flow conditions, Pavelman took the full scale curvature to the test and apparently succeeded.

For some details read page 218 onto 224 and page 289,290 in the black book called "Gravitation". Those last 2 pages show how by applying the simplification of Riemann to a Ricci spacetime curvature in the case of a Euclidian/Newtonian metric (no special relativity) F = m.a = m.d2x/dt2, which is our daytime geodesic path on earth, the Newton law of gravitation shows up:

Fgrav = G.(m1.m2)/r^2

Searching for "Gravitation" on www.bn.com/ will show that book. The papers of Perelman can be found like this:

checkout http://eprints.lanl.gov/lanl/ and fillout "Perelman" in the Author Field and "Ricci Flow" in the Title/Subject/Abstract field

Robert