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Office-Hour Habits of the North American Professor 286

An anonymous reader writes "For those of you who wonder just exactly what it is that your advisor is up to when you try to find him and meet with him, The Chronicle of Higher Education has a study on the Office-Hour Habits of the North American Professor."
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Office-Hour Habits of the North American Professor

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  • That door-closer... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Paddyish ( 612430 ) on Friday May 23, 2003 @07:59PM (#6028275)
    I know him, and he has tenure protecting his job. Good thing he'll never get that promotion he so desperately wanted.

    Tenure seems far more detrimental to the North American University than it is useful.

  • It's not that bad (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Rosco P. Coltrane ( 209368 ) on Friday May 23, 2003 @08:13PM (#6028339)
    It might be hard for students to meet with their professors on a one-to-one basis, but at least US students get to be legally able to. In France, apart in expensive semi-private schools or high-visibility public schools, in public universities, teachers come into 700 student amphitheaters just in time (often late), do their classes as fast as possible and bugger off as soon as the bell rings. If you want to catch the teacher, you'd better be seated in the front row and run after him before he disappears. I'm not saying it's a rule, but most of my university years were spent like that, in different universities in different cities. These guys are often researchers who are forced to teach against their wish to justify the expenses related to their research projects, and some tend to hate it so much they are unpleasant to talk to and downright bad at teaching.

    But I suppose US students have a right to see their teachers and receive quality tuition, given the outrageous amount of money they leave to their colleges ...
  • The Invisible Man (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 23, 2003 @08:14PM (#6028345)
    What about the professors who just don't show up to office hours? If I show up, they better damn show up. But yet, all too often, they do no such thing. Hey, I'm paying for it, and they're getting paid. If I wasn't a coward, I'd complain. (As if complaints about professors ever actually have any impact.)

  • professors..... (Score:4, Interesting)

    by benny_lama ( 516646 ) on Friday May 23, 2003 @08:31PM (#6028415)
    To this day I can't understand why professors think that I should give a crap because they are a prof. It has been my experience so far that professors don't think that they need to follow the rules. I'm not sure where this attitude comes from, but I don't see it in any other profession except for politicians, and professors are usually too anti-social for politics (or too left-wing radical).

    I just took a class at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute and the prof decided not to lecture for the last month of the course.....and the school let him get away with it!

    I thought that professors were supposed to be at a school to teach. Most of the ones that I have dealt with have done everything in their power to avoid as much as possible of their teaching responsiblility.

    Why do we tolerate that?
  • by El_Nofx ( 514455 ) on Friday May 23, 2003 @08:38PM (#6028438)
    you summed it up, no matter what rules are made they still need to be enforced. The sad part is that every time I've had a crummy professor and tried to do something about it I have gotten nowhere because noone would touch them because they had tenure. They people in charge of that particular department almost admited that the particular teacher was worthless and wasn't doing their job. It's almost like a get out of jail free card from the department. I was literally told that short of one professor killing a student there was no way they could fire him.

    The ability to speak freely is definitely a good thing though, in my experience tenure still does more harm then good.
  • Re:Keep in mind (Score:5, Interesting)

    by ender81b ( 520454 ) * <wdinger@@@gmail...com> on Friday May 23, 2003 @08:39PM (#6028439) Homepage Journal
    How did this get modded up?

    While I joke about being in liberal arts as much as the next person - as I say i'm in the collegs of Arts and Crafts - liberal arts includes many disciples. Economics, History, Political Science, etc, etc. Not "hurl crap at a canvas"

    I could just as easily make fun of the CS deparatment at most colleges consiting mainly of smelly professors who can't teach and have no social skills.

    But please, continue your ignorance and prejudice it does make you look oh so smart.
  • Re:It's not that bad (Score:4, Interesting)

    by gad_zuki! ( 70830 ) * on Friday May 23, 2003 @09:06PM (#6028551)
    Before this turns into a "private vs public" debate, you perfectly described most of my classes at both public US universities I attended. Public doesn't equal free either, just affordable/possible.

    TA's (graduate students) teaching most of the classes, professors well hidden somewhere campus with notes on their doors claiming to be elsewhere or "be right back," etc.

    This is far from an isolated event in the US. Private school is a bit better, but then you're taking a loan the size of a house to get a a degree or degrees worth anything of economic or intellectual value.
  • by Silent_E ( 592458 ) <emrigsby@yah[ ]com ['oo.' in gap]> on Friday May 23, 2003 @09:06PM (#6028553) Journal
    There is some truth to what you say--it is hard to fire a tenured professor. BUT places that have post-tenure review can be forced to buck up and put sanctions into place for professors that have chosen not to stay active.

    The most effective way of maintaining standards is to require those who are not professionally active to teach more, and to keep pressure on them to teach well. This should happen at the level of the Deans, precisely to avoid the department-level politics.
  • by Malcontent ( 40834 ) on Friday May 23, 2003 @09:13PM (#6028594)
    Tenure does not always help either. Look at the university of montana environmental studies program for example. Right now the logging and mining industries are bribing the Montana legisture to cut off funding for the program because the professors are not advocating unilimited logging. Once the funding is cut off it won't matter if you are tenured or not the entire dept will dissolve.

    BTW. The Montana legislature is extrememly cheap. Their votes can be bought for what a NY congressman pays for parking!.
  • Re:The Absent. (Score:3, Interesting)

    by diggitzz ( 615742 ) <diggitz.gmail@com> on Friday May 23, 2003 @09:19PM (#6028627) Homepage
    I graded exams for a couple of *large* freshman classes taught by a "Dr. Absent" last semester ... the Absent is not only missing from his office, but he seems to be missing from most of his life. Worse, he appears to have absolutely no control over this, and doesn't notice it happening unless someone points it out. At that time he'll sincerely apologize (and he means it!), but it's not something that bothers him.

    He usually has 3 or 4 phone numbers, at least 2 of which are answered by a secretary of some sort (or wife/kid, who are just as clueless as to his whereabouts), 3 or 4 email addresses, at least 2 of which forward to the other two, sometimes in circles, and 1 random one is always unavailable each week, for no apparent reason.

    This person rarely checks their mailbox in the department office, and the department secretary hasn't seen him for *at least* a week.

    If you ever get into Dr. Absent's office, you'll think it's been hit by a tornado or something. He doesn't seem to notice this. He has no idea what's in there, but it's all in a large heap. There are precious few books on the bookshelves -- if any at all. If books exist in this man's office, they're on the floor (read: trash heap) under a few lunch trays, t-shirts, and the "lost finals" from two years ago that suddenly "popped up" last time Dr. Absent lost his cell phone and dug through the heap hoping to find it. Sometimes there's a computer in one of these heaps (maybe on the one that's kind of desk-shaped?), and sometimes there's a file cabinet. If there is a computer or file cabinet, Dr. Absent has no keys or password to use it, and has no idea what's stored there.

    If you *do* manage to catch this person, NEVER GIVE HIM ANYTHING, FOR HE WILL IMMEDIATELY LOSE IT. He will be more than happy to help students with any class work, but they usually have to take a number since at least 10 of them will be piled up in the hallway at any given time (office hours or not) hoping to catch a glimpse of Dr. Absent. This tends to happen a LOT near midterms and finals since Dr. Absent never returns old homework/tests/quizzes, regardless of whether they're graded: he lost them or forgot whether they were graded.

    If you think you might be faced with working for (or worse, taking a class with!) a Dr. Absent, my advice to you is to pretend you're doing correspondence work, because you will never find this guy. He simply isn't around. He's not on campus, he's not in his private lab, he's not at home, he's not at the bar you *know* he frequents (though never for more than an hour), he's not out with his wife, girlfriend, kids, colleagues, business partners, or anyone else. Just give up, because this man is unavailable for contact, and probably doesn't know/care that everyone is looking for him.
  • Re:Tenure (Score:4, Interesting)

    by gpinzone ( 531794 ) on Friday May 23, 2003 @09:33PM (#6028698) Homepage Journal
    Imagine the following difference in job offers: hey, you're pretty good, stick around for 3 years, and we'll see if we still want you, or we believe in you, here's a job for life.

    The reason you don't want such a model of employment is because is does not encourage achievement. In fact, history has shown that in most cases, it breeds corruption and neglect. It's why most modern governments don't have lifetime positions for their leaders. Okay, the Supreme Court is an exception. However, the reasoning behind keeping justices for life doesn't apply to professors. At least, they don't anymore. Tenure was meant to keep professors with non-conformists ideas from getting fired. Now thanks to terrorism and political correctness, no professor is safe from firing due to perceived misconduct. Tenure only remains to keep the lazy employed. Sad, but true.
  • by kharchenko ( 303729 ) on Friday May 23, 2003 @09:53PM (#6028779)
    Professorship positions, especially in prestigious universities are filled in on the basis of the research publications and professional contacts, while the educational aspects of an academic career rarely do make any difference. This, perhaps, might be unfortunate in some cases, but that's how it works.
  • by BluedemonX ( 198949 ) on Friday May 23, 2003 @09:56PM (#6028788)
    Tell me about it.

    I had a professor who was hired and given tenure as a photography professor. He was a good, competent photographer and well qualified to teach same. He then decided he was going to teach something called "Visual Dynamics" which was his own pet discipline that he'd invented. The course was a requirement for graduation (otherwise NOBODY would have taken it) and literally consisted of the ravings of a French-Canadian of Greek origin who NEVER changed his clothes, banging away about God knows what.

    "Ze meening huv life hiz to survive to reproduce before death." (What this has to do with visual perception I have no idea). "Zere is a deeference between zee masculeen way huv doing teengs hand the feminine way: zee masculeen way hiz to see ha problem, train to solve hit, and solve hit, hand zee feminine way heez to cry huntil someone else solves it for her." Needless to say, his ravings about visual perception and his grading of lab work was completely capricious and taught nobody anything at all. The only person who cared was some harridan TA grad student who wanted his job.

    Trust me, the "Simone De Beauvoir Wimmins (sic) Studies Program" students tried to get him canned, but tenure wins out. So in essence, he never taught a single lick of what he was hired for the moment he was tenured.

  • by xtrucial ( 674445 ) on Saturday May 24, 2003 @12:59AM (#6029415)

    I rarely went to the professors' office hours (I'm a senior... almost done!). In fact, I only went *once* by choice when I was actively enrolled in a class--and that was to drop the class (my calculus skills are... lacking:)

    Other than that, I visited with my two favorite professors (both are psych. guys) after I finished taking their courses, and I still visit periodically.

    For what it's worth, at my institution, the office hours tend to be *short*. I was surprised when I saw people talking about 10-20 hours per week. Here it's more like 4-5 a week, mostly because professors here are either: A) super active in research, and/or B) have jobs in private industry outside of teaching (e.g. clinical psychologists that do teaching on the side, programmers that do teaching on the side, etc.).

  • Re:wait... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by slaker ( 53818 ) on Saturday May 24, 2003 @03:08AM (#6029778)
    Don't laugh too hard. The man has, or almost had, a Masters in Education and IIRC taught special ed classes for awhile before his obvious talent landed him a gig in porno.

    Ron Jeremy is a hero for large, hirsute men everywhere, even if I don't wanna look at his hairy ass, either.

    Link: http://www.lukeford.com/stars/male/ron_jeremy.html
  • Re:Deep hack mode... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Idarubicin ( 579475 ) on Saturday May 24, 2003 @11:53AM (#6030850) Journal
    That's why I'll hide if I want to get any research done.

    For many (most?) researchers in the sciences, it just isn't possible to do research in the office. It is possible to write grant proposals, draft manuscripts, and grade papers, and when those tasks are being performed, one may find the scientist in the office. Otherwise...

    "I have a timepoint in four minutes. I can talk until then. Then I need to collect data for seven minutes; then you can talk to me for another six minutes. Is that okay?"
    "I have three days on the accelerator; I'll be down there 24/7 with my grad students until Tuesday. No, you can't visit--you don't have a dosimeter badge."
    "Of course I'll regrade your term paper. Drop by my lab--oh, does your paper contain any flammable material?"
    "I'm doing work with photomultiplier tubes. If you open the door and let light in then I'll bill you six thousand dollars for new tubes."

    Many undergrads are under the impression that professors are at a university to teach courses. This is often a fallacy--teaching is frequently the third or fourth priority at best. The teaching is strictly a part-time sideline. The research is why professors are hired, why they are funded, and really what they do for a living. Good professors take their teaching duties as seriously as their research work--as they should--but they cannot be expected to spend forty hours a week in the office waiting for students to show up.

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