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America's Broadband Dream Is Alive-- In Korea 356

An anonymous reader writes "America's Broadband Dream Is Alive in Korea thanks to government encouragement, according to the NY times (free reg, etc...). But profits are elusive." The U.S. is a lot more spread out than Korea, though -- some American cities are pretty well connected.
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America's Broadband Dream Is Alive-- In Korea

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  • Blame Canada (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 05, 2003 @05:44PM (#5885669)
    The U.S. is a lot more spread out than Korea, though

    And what about Canada? They're up there too with ~%50 penetration. You can't really claim that they're much less spread out than the US. I imagine that dense urban areas, where implementing broadband would be easiest, make up a similar percentage of population as well.

    On top of that their rates are lower than those in the US (in Candian $'s nonetheless!).
  • How about Canada? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by miguel_at_menino.com ( 89271 ) on Monday May 05, 2003 @05:49PM (#5885711)

    The U.S. is a lot more spread out than Korea, though -- some American cities are pretty well connected.

    From what I gather, DSL and Cable is cheaper and more available in Canada than in the US. And we know that Canada is much more "spread out" than the US. So that's not the reason at all.

    I don't understand why Americans are so against government intervention in this area. It's not so evil or communist to have the government subsidize, legislate or otherwise help create infrastructure. Nobody calls the US interstate highway system "communist" or "socialist" because the government built it. Besides, who paid for ARPANET in the first place? What ARPANET communist?

  • by Bazouel ( 105242 ) on Monday May 05, 2003 @05:51PM (#5885735)
    From the site :

    1- South Korea : 57.4 %
    2- Canada : 49.9 %
    3- Japon : 25.6 %
    4- USA : 22.8 %

    Canada ratio is double than that of USA !

    I guess that kind of make the argument "The U.S. is a lot more spread out than Korea" a bit overdue at the very least :)
  • Re:How about Canada? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by sql*kitten ( 1359 ) on Monday May 05, 2003 @05:52PM (#5885744)
    I don't understand why Americans are so against government intervention in this area. It's not so evil or communist to have the government subsidize, legislate or otherwise help create infrastructure.

    Guess you're too young to remember just how bad the state-monopoly telco really was :-)
  • Re:How about Canada? (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 05, 2003 @05:54PM (#5885772)
    How about Canada?
    Canada is much more "spread out" than the US


    Ummm... About 99% of Canadians live on 1% of the landmass. As you can see in This Photo [nasa.gov] the northern 75% of the country is virtually deserted.

  • by inaeldi ( 623679 ) on Monday May 05, 2003 @05:56PM (#5885779)
    But look at Canada. Canada is even more spread out that the US and it has far better broadband access (than the US, not Korea).
  • Re:Damn Canadians (Score:3, Interesting)

    by phorm ( 591458 ) on Monday May 05, 2003 @05:56PM (#5885783) Journal
    Strange. Ever since I got broadband there has been a lot less high-speed penetration at my home. Oh, wait... that's of
    Seriously though, even many small towns in Canada have high speed. I live in a town (note, not even a city) that has not even a movie theatre or a small mall, yet we still have ADSL, Cable, and (crappy reception in many areas but...) cell-phone access. From what I've heard, it's often cheaper here too.

    Here, it's the telco and cableco that mostly run the show. My telco does a really decent job of it most times too (Telus), though I dislike the requirement of a landline to run my ADSL. Cable is less so... it can be damn slow at some times/locations. I wonder why not as many telcos in the US aren't abandoning the old-fashioned phone-market for a higher focus on cellular/internet connectivity?
  • Re:Sigh... (Score:2, Interesting)

    by TheCodeFoundry ( 246594 ) on Monday May 05, 2003 @06:02PM (#5885840)
    Why must the government be expected to offer every luxury?

    A government is for governing and protecting its citizens, not offering luxury goods to them. If the government did this, what is next, universal "socialist" health care? A pair of pants on every citizen? I mean, come on!

    The government funded electricity and telephone service in its infancy, but those were utilities. I don't see how broadband is a utility.
  • by Xerithane ( 13482 ) <xerithane.nerdfarm@org> on Monday May 05, 2003 @06:14PM (#5885962) Homepage Journal
    Actually, North Korea started their nuke buildup in the 1990's.

    In response to the USSR falling.

    They signed agreement with the US essentially not to do so in exchanges for food,energy equipment, and other stuff. Then they took their program underground.

    After the US didn't do shit to help them.

    It has only now come out, now that they may have 2 nuclear devices. Now they are threatning overtly to use them against The US or Japan.

    They are saying, "If you attack us, we will use them." They aren't saying, "We will use them."

    Unspoken, is that North Korea would be willing to sell them to anyone. They already sell missile and other military tech to anybody.


    They won't. The only guarantee they have to safety is their nuclear arsenal. Why sell the thing that keeps you safe? You may think, "Oh, but they can sell them secretely and still claim they have it." The world intelligence is pretty good, and that ruse wouldn't last long.

    It is pretty funny that you would suggest Bush is a fanatic and not suggest that of the North Korean dictator.

    They're both fanatics. At least Bush is productive in his cleansing, or whatever...
  • 2Mbps/512kbps (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Nicolas MONNET ( 4727 ) <nicoaltiva@gmai l . c om> on Monday May 05, 2003 @06:29PM (#5886090) Journal
    I get 2Mbps/512kbps for 29.90 a month with Free [adsl.free.fr] in Paris. No sign-up fee, modem provided at no cost.

    Interestingly, those guys, who have run on free software for year (hence the name, Free), have developed their own set-top box, AKA Freebox, which is more than just an ADSL modem: it's got 100baseTX, USB1.1, 2x phone RJ-11, one SCART and has an IR remote control.

    They plan on providing digital TV and phone service through ADSL soon. Service is unrestricted, unmetered, unfiltered, static IP through DHCP, though still a bit rough around the edge at times.
  • Some observations (Score:2, Interesting)

    by YllabianBitPipe ( 647462 ) on Monday May 05, 2003 @06:40PM (#5886188)
    South Koreans are also avid gamers. They show competitions on TV for crying out loud. And of course to play these games competitively you gotta have broadband or go to one of these cybercafes. One could say these games are a killer app for broadband. Meanwhile, here in the US you've got people who think 56K is fast enough because all they do online is send email. Others can't get broadband because they live in the sticks or just aren't willing to pay for it. Lasty there's the group of holdouts who think the net is a big waste of time ... especially those durn games. What's my point ... well I'll bet TV didn't take off until entire families saw stuff like I Love Lucy that you nearly HAD to see every week in order to feel like you're part of modern society. A show or event that everybody felt obligated to participate in. In Korea it's games. Here in America we just have email. The average joe doesn't see any big benefit to broadband.
  • by dcw3 ( 649211 ) on Monday May 05, 2003 @06:47PM (#5886233) Journal
    Having lived in ROK for several years, I can tell you that they've got their own share of "bullshit bureaucracy". If you need something from a bureaucrat, graft is encouraged, as long as there are no reporters around. Witness the fact that some of the previous presidents (and family members) have been convicted of corruption schemes. That said, Korean citizens tend to be very hard workers. Virtually every pedestrian (in the urban areas) carries a cell phone because they're cheap. You won't see anyplace in the world where they pour concrete as fast as the Korean penninsula. Nice place to visit, but wouldn't want to live there (again).
  • broadband (Score:2, Interesting)

    by kpeerless ( 122687 ) on Monday May 05, 2003 @07:11PM (#5886407)
    We have uncapped wireless here in the Queen Charlotte Islands for $40 Canadian a month from a private, unsubsidized isp. There's no reason to not have it in the US... only excuses.
  • by Guppy06 ( 410832 ) on Monday May 05, 2003 @10:15PM (#5887557)
    "one would expect Canada, which is even larger than the US, less densly populated even in its populated areas, and much so in its rural areas,"

    It looks to me like Canada doesn't exactly have a homogeneous population distribution. [nasa.gov] Once you get 50 or 100 miles away from the border, Ontario and Quebec look about as empty as Alaska, and even out west you can easily see all the lights clumping around places like Calgary. Heck, looking at the US east of the Mississippi, I'd say a good chunk of the US is more homogeneously distributed than even western Europe. Even South Korea is a bit more "clumpy."

    It's much easier to wire together a heterogeneous population because you just have to deal with sporadic, concentrated clumps here and there. You just need a whole bunch of short-range connections (such as DSL) with a few longer leads here and there to connect the clumps (A T-3 pipe here and there). An even distribution, on the other hand, is much trickier, requiring a whole mess of medium-to-long connections between users, where DSL doesn't reach far enough an a leased line is just way too expensive.

    I'm sorry, but at first glance it doesn't look like comparisons between Canada and the US hold water.
  • Re:Sigh... (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 05, 2003 @10:30PM (#5887655)
    I would like to see them stop creating monopolies.
  • by djupedal ( 584558 ) on Tuesday May 06, 2003 @12:03AM (#5888241)
    I've lived/worked here in South Korea for the last 4 years. It took me two years to get ADSL, and one year later they bumped me to VDSL for free. Saying the penisula is saturated with connectivity is an understatement.

    We're being told the country will have 802.11b end-to-end by the end of summer. The airport has had it for the last year. The old and new govts. push for this type of infrastructure. New apt. buildings for the last two years come jacked for broadband. If you have a need for speed, this is the place...

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