How Google Grows...and Grows...and Grows 278
orangerobot writes "The latest issue of Fast Company has an article about how Google has managed to survive beyond its peers and develop a culture of openness and innovation. The article also mentions Google memes and spin-offs such as: Googlewhack, Googlebombing, Googleshare, Googlism and Google Smackdown."
That's because it works (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:That's because it works (Score:5, Insightful)
Seriously, though, apart from the barriers to entry (namely having the computing power, storage, and bandwidth to spider the entire web) there are a wide range of ways that Google could be bested. The only reason they weren't before is that the major competitors saw search engines as a money losing proposition, and started throwing all their money behind duplicating Yahoo, making online communities, auctions, etc.
Re:That's because it works (Score:5, Interesting)
there is two reasons I use Google:
1. On my p133 laptop w/Win98 Google loads faster than any other page (I never realized how slow a P133 was until I waited for
2. It fucking works. Not in the way that Windows "works". It just works. I type in whatever I am looking for (phone numbers, addresses, names, random things) and it comes up w/what I wanted w/o having to search 10000000's of results.
It's not a monopoly, it's a good product.
Re:That's because it works (Score:4, Informative)
Re:That's because it works (Score:4, Insightful)
Just because it's a good product doesn't prevent it from being a monopoly.
Correct, monopoly is defined as somebody who can block normal competition by financial means or market position.
And although Google basically "owns" the market, I just can't see how Google could "block" somebody who would want to compete.
After all, it's the customers who choose every day to go to Google without any manipulation from Google (apart from a good service).
Re:That's because it works (Score:3, Insightful)
Just because it's a monopoly doesn't prevent it from being good.
Re:That's because it works (Score:5, Insightful)
Interestingly enough, Apple has started a trend by building in a Google search widget into their new safari [apple.com] browser.
Imagine what would happen if MS tried this tactic and built in, say, AltaVista into the next release of IE. Popularity would skyrocket overnight ...
Re:That's because it works (Score:4, Insightful)
Did Google FORCE Apple to put that widget on there?
Did Google FORCE computer manufactorers to NOT put OTHER search engine widgets on the computers?
No. It's an Internet site that does what it is supposed to and does it well.
Re:That's because it works (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:That's because it works (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:That's because it works (Score:2, Interesting)
MSN search is a monopoly product.
Re:That's because it works (Score:2, Insightful)
Market share is market share, whether the user types in the search engine URL or it's the default.
Re:That's because it works (Score:3, Informative)
No. It's a monopoly (I think) and it's a good product.
There's nothing inherently illegal or immoral about monopolies.
On the other hand, certain things that some monopolistic companies try to do are illegal, only because they are monopolies; if a non monopolistic company had done it, they'd be fine.
Re:That's because it works (Score:2, Informative)
What I find odd is that I am the only person I know who does use google, and has for some time. My family uses whatever comes with aol, and my ex-gf used to use altavista.
Re:That's because it works (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:That's because it works (Score:5, Informative)
and
the fact that google does maps [google.com]?
Re:That's because it works (Score:3, Informative)
my old address and phone number [slashdot.org], and the address is wrong, but that was the phone companies fault
Re:That's because it works (Score:3, Informative)
Here's the corrected URL [google.com]
Re:That's because it works (Score:2, Informative)
Likewise, Google News is a disjointed mess. Many news searches turn up page after page of 404 errors because most external news sites delete their pages after 2-3 weeks.
Re:That's because it works (Score:3, Funny)
If he minded news being repeated 10 times a day, I don't think he'd be reading Slashdot
Re:That's because it works (Score:5, Informative)
One Thumb Up, One Thumb Down (Score:3, Informative)
Vivisimo [vivisimo.com] Light google-ish interface. "Clustered Results" is neat idea and may be quite useful. Seems a little light in the hits department, but so is every new search engine. Time will tell.
Kartoo [kartoo.com] Ugly. Requires Flash - bad move - game over.
OK, One Thumb Horizontal for Kartoo (Score:2)
Conceptually, I like the keyword add/ignore suggestions and auto re-categorizing - this could be very empowering if it works well. I can't see a clear indication of the number of hits it finds and it's still ugly (get ri
Re:That's because it works (Score:3, Redundant)
The fact is Google is the current boss because it is fast and gets you to want you want. If they were to become ad loaded pages, people would be switching to the next best thing.
Re:That's because it works (Score:2, Interesting)
Because you'll get a completely different search singular/plural.
This is one way in which Google can be improved or bested.
Since I use Opera, I can search multiple search engines just by typing "s " into an address bar. And the results will pop up side-by-side in separate tiled windows. How much fussing does that take in IE?
Dave.
Hooray for that little program! (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Hooray for that little program! (Score:3, Funny)
when Google's array of computers finally achieves self-awareness we're all in BIG trouble
smash the spinning Jenny!
Googledot dot org (Score:2, Funny)
Bringing you every single fucking piece of news about Google you can dig up!!
Can I be a slashdot editor now?
No (Score:5, Funny)
Not a single misspelling in your post. Sorry.
Spy (Score:3, Interesting)
Don't complain about the lack of options ;) (Score:4, Interesting)
Is there a point? (Score:3, Funny)
Is it just me or does this seem like one of the most pointless ides for a web site ever? Why would you devise a mathematical equation that calculates nothing...
Re:Is there a point? (Score:3, Funny)
Bonus Question:
1) What is the proper Unit for "semantic mindshare".
2) Express this in Hogheads/furlong
Yeah i agree with hafree this is around as usual as an ashtray on a motorbike.
intersting results (Score:3, Interesting)
'microsoft' has a 24.44% googleshare of 'anti-trust'
'linux' has a 62.64% googleshare of 'open source'
Appeasing WHO?!? (Score:2, Funny)
'saddam' has a 7.7% googleshare of 'hitler'
SIMPLICITY (Score:5, Insightful)
They took a simple idea and kept it simple, yet making it extremely powerful.
Re:SIMPLICITY (Score:5, Funny)
Re:SIMPLICITY (Score:2)
Re:SIMPLICITY (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:SIMPLICITY (Score:2)
Put another way [realultimatepower.net]:
Q: Why is everyone so obsessed about Google?
A: Google is the ultimate paradox. On the one hand they don't give a crap, but on the other hand, Google is very careful and precise.
Googlewhack? (Score:2)
levine
Google as a business (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Google as a business (Score:2)
I don't understand why people equate IPO's with success. An IPO is basically floating an unsecured loan from the public at large. If they have a solid business model which doesn't require them to outlay huge wads of cash they don't have in order to expand, I'd say they're doing pretty darn well.
A triumph for google is a triumph for ethics. (Score:5, Interesting)
Finally they used Linux when most of the other web businesses were running Windows. Their example has shown that a business running linux can suceed, even though it can be more difficult than running windows.
Re:A triumph for google is a triumph for ethics. (Score:5, Interesting)
but patented them >:-(
> although most people would be happier if they had never allowed advertising on the site at all
I've found that google is the only site ever that actually gives useful on-topic ads, and thus the only ads I ever follow are google ones
Re:A triumph for google is a triumph for ethics. (Score:5, Interesting)
The patent system, as it was originally intended, is not evil. Google's technology tends to be novel and innovative, which is exactly what the patent system was intended to foster.
They're not patenting things like "1-click".
Re:A triumph for google is a triumph for ethics. (Score:2)
Exactly! And when Google's patents run out, at least we know their algorithms will be available to the public since they've already been released, as opposed to other companies that might try to hide or suppress such things.
Re:A triumph for google is a triumph for ethics. (Score:3, Insightful)
Car manufacturers?
IBM-compatibles ?
There are loads of examples of companies making almost single products that doesn't patent their work. Patenting stops growth, the PC wouldn't have taken of unless other companies were allowed to start making IBM-compatibles (though it weren't completly IBMs will ;-)
Look at the compact disc, the only successfull cross-media medium for the last 20 years, why ?
It was a standard not a patent and so
Re:A triumph for google is a triumph for ethics. (Score:4, Interesting)
Not only does google plant an "infinite" cookie (infinite in unix epoch land) to uniquely id each user, but it logs every web site you visit, every GET string from each of those sites, as well as each HTTP REFERER. In terms of contextual user-tracking, that's a fairly significant breach of user-privacy.
I realize that google makes their disclaimer very clear, but so do most other spyware companies. I also realize that we can all disable sending cookies to google as well. Unfortuneatly most anti-spyware products like spybot and ad-aware do not flag google's behavior as such, leaving many users in the dark regarding google's monitoring. I also realize that many people have personal firewalls, but the toolbar sends its requests to the same IP as each of the www sites at each of Google's 7 data centers... disabling the toolbar monitoring effectively disables your use of their web site.
Re:A triumph for google is a triumph for ethics. (Score:3, Informative)
"By using the Advanced Features version of the Google Toolbar, you may be sending information about the sites you visit to Google."
"Google will not sell or provide personally identifiable information to any third parties."
"We understand and respect your privacy concerns. By selecting this option, you will not have access to advanced functionality. However, no i
Re:A triumph for google is a triumph for ethics. (Score:3, Insightful)
The privacy implications of these features are laid out very clearly in the configuration page, in plain E
When your company name becomes a verb... (Score:5, Insightful)
When your company name becomes a verb (google): to search for something; I'm going to google for that computer part you know that you're onto something.
Google has survived the dot.com bubble burst because they offer a great service that people want. The natural thing for most companies (brick and mortar or otherwise) is to spin-off and leverage the successful business model into something that will grow their company.
Anti-Google (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Anti-Google (Score:2)
uh oh (Score:4, Funny)
I must have problems, since it takes me at least 5 times that amount to decide what to search for!
It's pretty self-explanatory (Score:5, Interesting)
Google was a good search engine in the beginning. It gained popularity, which made it a better search engine, which let it gain more popularity, which made it an even better search engine, ad infinitum.
It's not an exaggeration to claim that, right now, Google has earned itself the enviable position of becoming the first (at least nearly) definitive search engine.
-- shayborg
Re:It's pretty self-explanatory (Score:3, Interesting)
Is this a first? (Score:3, Funny)
Alan.
Googlewhack? (Score:5, Funny)
Oh, you mean that googlewhack! [googlewhack.com]
Erm... Hem... Uh, never mind. Carry on.
didn't mention google's legal goons, though (Score:2, Troll)
Re:didn't mention google's legal goons, though (Score:4, Insightful)
All done for the reasons that want to keep the word for business use and don't want thier competitors to be able to use thier brand name as something else.
In the case you mentioned they had/have Google down as a synonym for search, a verb which cannot be protected. If Google did not protect their name they would have no more rights to use the word then Yahoo, or alta vista would to use the word.
IIRC, they finally solved the problem by mentioning that Google was a protected word of the Google corporation.
Re:didn't mention google's legal goons, though (Score:2)
Actually, Hormel [spam.com] has, in fact, stated that they don't mind the use of Spam to describe unwanted e-mail.
Re:didn't mention google's legal goons, though (Score:2, Informative)
That still makes perfect sense since common usage of the term spam to describe unsolicited bulk e-mail only would dilute Hormel's Spam trademark if their product involved any form of e-mail. Since their business is processed pork and thus has no connection with e-mail whatsoever it is quite easy for them not to object to the usage of the term 'spam' for unwanted e-mail.
Sometimes I wonder what's so bloody hard about trademark law that the slashdot geeks almost always get it wrong. Of all areas in law it h
Re:didn't mention google's legal goons, though (Score:5, Informative)
> asked [linguistlist.org] Paul McFedries to remove the word 'google' from his
> excellent wordspy [wordspy.com] lexicon. A company that 'gets it' indeed.
Erm, thats odd, because that never happened. Did you just make that up on the spot or did it take you a while to prepare?
Google asked them to change their definition of 'google' from "To search for something" to "To search for something using the google search engine"
But they never once _DEMANDED_ that they remove the word google.
The wordspy.com listing was clearly incorrect.
Google simply corrected them.
So no its not too funny that the article didnt mention lies and FUD. Its a refreshing change actually.
What I _do_ find funny is you even link right to the article that proves me right and your own statements wrong! Did you even read it?
Direct quote from the article you linked:
> we want to make sure that when people use "Google," they are referring
> to the services our company provides and not to Internet searching
> in general.
The email then ends with:
> We ask that you help us to protect our brand by deleting the definition of
> "google" found at wordspy.com or revising it to take into account the
> trademark status of Google.
Hell, even keeping the clearly wrong and incorrect definition would be OK with google if they simply added a (TM) mark after the word Google from how their email reads!
Re:didn't mention google's legal goons, though (Score:2)
Google does not want to see the following phrases to become common place:
"I just used MSN to GOOGLE for the latest IIS exploit"
"My Yahoo GOOGLE sure brings up a bunch of ads"
My understanding of the situation was that Google ASKED to have the term removed as opposed to using a Cease and Desist letter right off the
google smackdown. (Score:2)
Just a Shill-Puff Piece? (Score:3, Insightful)
THE FIRST THING YOU SEE (Score:4, Interesting)
What the hell is Google? (Score:4, Funny)
Is there a good search engine I could check to see what this 'Google' is?
Try Googling it. (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Try Googling it. (Score:2, Funny)
"best search engine" [google.com]
and
"worst search engine" [google.com]
Quite Funny!
niche search engines (Score:4, Informative)
Yeah, it takes a bit more work to find these niche search engines/resources, but they are out there, and the noise is much much lower.
Just my $.02
Re:niche search engines (Score:2)
So what do you google to find them?
Google News (Score:4, Interesting)
Put enough smart people together and ... (Score:5, Funny)
I hope this is an idea which catches on. Think what mankind could achieve if engineers were free to be creative, unhindered by the mindnumbing shackles of management and beaurocracy.
Re:Put enough smart people together and ... (Score:2)
Isn't that where atom bombs come from?
I recommend reading Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman! [amazon.com] --in particular the chapter Los Alamos From Below.
Re:Put enough smart people together and ... (Score:2)
83594834 winamp visualisations...
4570569 more empty projects on sourceforge than there are currently...
4504595 *really* nasty perl scripts that no-one will ever change for fear of breaking...
(shiver)
Google grows from the roots (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Google grows from the roots (Score:2)
So, if Google is basically following a system that has already been described, well in advance of Google's own implementation, wouldn't it's patents be null and void as prior art?
Google proves that... (Score:2)
Searching on Amazon.com to find Amazon.com (Score:5, Funny)
I have watched users do this, and it is pretty obvious why. To the neophyte, there are just these boxes where you type in stuff. It is not clear that one is part of the browser and one is being generated by a web page. Advertisers take advantage of this same misunderstanding when they have ads that look like dialog boxes. Which reminds me, I don't know how to tell you this, but, your computer is not optimized for downloading!
Re:Searching on Amazon.com to find Amazon.com (Score:2)
Re:Searching on Amazon.com to find Amazon.com (Score:4, Funny)
Yeah, I know. It's because too much of my bandwidth is being used up by my PC broadcasting an IP Address to the world.
Here's why to search for Foo.com (Score:3, Insightful)
I can tell you why. Because I have done it. (Well, maybe not to find amazon.com. But typing a URL in the Google search box.)
I wanted to find the google cache of an article that was slashdotted.
I had hoped that Google's interface would be clueful enough to include pages whose URL was an exact match for the search string - bringing up the index pa
Re:Searching on Amazon.com to find Amazon.com (Score:2)
Wouldn't it be even easier to just save it as a favorite? Then it's just a click on a toolbar....
Re:Searching on Amazon.com to find Amazon.com (Score:2)
If you're using Internet Explorer, you can roll your fingers onto ALT+D very quickly, and it'll send your cursor up to the address bar, with the current contents already highlighted.
Furthermore, pressing ctrl+enter will intelligently add "www." and ".com" to your current entry; so ALT+D,"amazon",CTRL+ENTER will bring you to the address bar and then take you to www.amazon.com. After a few days of practicing doing that, it becomes very fast indeed.
Same ride as Yahoo! (Score:2)
The reason this doesn't bother Yahoo! or Google is because there is a huge market out there simply waiting to find out that it doesn't work.
intesting use of google (Score:3, Funny)
I think you will not be surprised at the results.
Suggestions for Google (Score:5, Interesting)
All the main keywords come up with heavily text focussed sites because text is what Google can index properly. They need to be better at rating image sites and annimation sites.
Then there's the 'multi-domain' spamming - sites set up across multiple domains pretending to be different but all being basically the same, simply for the link bonus.
If Google detects that several domains are really the same site, then it should treat all links between the sites as internal links in a single site, and all the sites corresponding pages should get the same PR value, since they *are* the same page, just on different domains.
At the moment it seems to assign the PR to one of the sites and drop the PR on the others. I can understand that they don't want a big cluster of sites dominating the index, but shouldn't it simply treat the sites as one great big site and return only 2 entries from the whole group?
Also how about using geography & time to detect when weighting the value of a link?
Suppose 2 DNS entries are registered at roughly the same time by the same person in the same address those sites are more likely to be the same site so links between them should have a lower rating.
Now suppose 2 sites are registered by different people, but in the same town. Links between those two sites should be downgraded slightly, since there is a slight probability of collusion.
Same with domains that cross link at and were created at the same time but in different locations by different people. Much more likely that those people would be looking to link exchange and so the links would be less about content and more about exchange.
So the maximum weight would be given to a link that came later on as a site became more popular, from a site that was registered at a different time from a different person in a different location. In this case the chance of collusion would be very low so the link could be trusted more - its much more likely to be done for content reasons.
Toot Toot! (Score:4, Funny)
cmdrtaco is getting married to the fine woman this website is run by
cmdrtaco is still known to post hoaxes or wild
cmdrtaco is gay
cmdrtaco is brilliant
cmdrtaco is nothing more than a perl script
cmdrtaco is lame
cmdrtaco is my hero
cmdrtaco is the one that is laying on the purple couch with the notebook
cmdrtaco is a torvelian
cmdrtaco is an idiot
And my favorite...
cmdrtaco is psychic
Strange (Score:2)
And yet the google logo on the home page is 8.3 KB!
Google not a monopoly, part of an oligopoly (Score:4, Interesting)
Why Google is successful, really (Score:5, Interesting)
Stock market hype types keep talking about Google "going public". They're more likely to go private; the founders may buy out the venture capitalists.
Re:Googlewhack? (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Googlewhack? (Score:4, Interesting)
But anyway, as an example of a googlewhack:
placating counterbombardment [google.com] is currently a googlewhack. As soon as this page gets indexed by google, it will cease to be so.
Re:Googlewhack? (Score:2)
I think that by slightly modifying the search to be:
"placating counterbombardment -googlewhack" might still qualify as a success.
Or, you could instruct google not to index your page about googlewhacking.
Re:All Search Engines are doomed to fail... (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:All Search Engines are doomed to fail... (Score:3, Interesting)
These are the facts (who knows why):
(1) Google usually takes you to the information you want.
(2) Few months back, last time google got lots of big press, for about two months my searches stopped taking me where I wanted to go and started to take me to more dubious places. Around this time there was a whole lot of press about google monkeying with the Page Rank system, how they wouldn't discuss it, etc. All I know is, during
Re:Am i the only one who has a problem with google (Score:2)
Now think of this recursively and you get how Google works.
Re:what's with googlesyndication? (Score:2, Interesting)
Now their purchase of that blogging stuff makes a bit more sense, huh?