Sony's Cashless Smart Card Catching on in Japan 213
Spasemunki writes "The New York Times reports here on the success in Japan of an RF-based, cash replacement smart card developed by Sony. Used primarily by Japan's largest railway company, the cards carry a declining cash balance (no link to your credit card or bank account if it is lost or stolen), and conducts transactions at railway turnstiles in 1/5 of a second. Mass transit remains one of the big areas for many folks where you just can't live without cash- this would be a big improvement over digging in the couch for exact change ... "
This is no quantum leap (Score:2, Informative)
News a bit thin today?
Otcopus Card in Hong Kong (Score:1, Informative)
Belgium : proton (Score:5, Informative)
For the merchants, the advantage is 2fold : no cash in the store so less attractive to thieves, but also there is no permanent connection needed with the bank : the cardreader can store the balance internally, and upload a transaction log at the end of the day. This makes proton payment a lot cheaper for the merchants (payment by visa costs a percentage, and payment by bankcard costs a fixed fee)
A few comments... (Score:4, Informative)
Japan in general, and the Tokyo area in particular, has had a form of prepaid card for use at train stations for several years. These cards are of the "magnetic stripe" type, and have to be fed through the ticket gate to work. The ticket gates have a tendency to jam occasionally, requiring human intervention to get them working again.
The main advantage of the Suica cards is that they just have to be held against a panel on the ticket gate - as they're RF based, there's no moving parts to get jammed.
The main disadvantage of these particular cards is that they don't offer the same flexibility in routes that the "old" cards have - you have to be travelling between two JR (Japan Rail) stations to be able to use them. I commute on a train that switches from a JR train to a subway train (separate organization - same train) halfway along my route, which means I can't use the Suica cards.
In spite of what the article says, I haven't really noticed them being used for anything other than commuting.
Underground in London (Score:2, Informative)
http://www.transportforlondon.gov.uk/tfl/oyster
I'm in Japan... (Score:5, Informative)
No limit on cash per card? (Score:3, Informative)
Hello? (Score:1, Informative)
Re:No limit on cash per card? (Score:2, Informative)
At least with the SUica cards you can control how much you want to keep in the card yourself.
Old news (Score:1, Informative)
There is no personal tracking involved - nobody knows who owns a card (a card might have a unique ID on it, but you don't give any form of identification to buy a card).
Do you yanks ever wonder that perhaps your rabid paranoia about privacy is perhaps getting in the way of progress? (I can hear growling from here...)
Malaysia has had such a system for years (Score:1, Informative)
Re:Underground in London (Score:1, Informative)
London Underground are also testing this [transportf...don.gov.uk].
Ahh, I ways wondered what the yellow circles were, thanks for the link
Re:Why "RF based/cash replacement? Metrocard (Score:5, Informative)
There's something like this in Malaysia too (Score:3, Informative)
http://www.touchngo.com.my/
They can be used for the light rail transport in the capital, highway toll booths (proximity or stick them in a gadget aka smartTAG that allows remote deduction/payment at up to 40kph[1]), a few parking lots and you can reload them at certain bank ATMs.
Of course there are the usual complaints of double deductions etc.
And I wonder about pranksters deducting from cards just for fun (you often don't need to take the card out of your wallet/purse for it to work).
Also wonder if the organized crime syndicates have figured out a way to "make money".
Link.
[1] If the transaction doesn't go through the toll bar doesn't go up, so caution is encouraged
Hong Kong MTR Octopus (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Why "RF based/cash replacement? Metrocard (Score:5, Informative)
Smart cards--like DC Metro's Smarttrip--are far cooler. You don't need to swipe them--just get them close to the reader. You don't need to take it our of your wallet: just put your wallet up to the reader and that gets it close enough.
Even better, you can register it with Metro and if you lose your card with $100 on it, you just have to pay $5 for a replacement card and you get all the value you had on the card.
In July, they should have Smarttrip readers on all the buses too, so that transfers will be automagic--no need to remember to get a paper transfer from one of those machines that always seems to be out of paper. Bus boarding should speed up dramatically too.
Re:Will only work in Japan (Score:3, Informative)
Re:This is no quantum leap (Score:3, Informative)
Make no mistake about the Japanese economy, though...it's in the doldrums with no way out. The highest American national debt during the Reagan years was $4 trillion, when Ronnie was emptying the treasury to bury the Commies. The current Japanese national debt is $6 trillion.
Japanese Punnery and Suica (Score:3, Informative)
From another web site:
"Suica stands for Super Urban Intelligent Card, which has the double meaning of being an IC card that makes traveling smooth (sui-sui in Japanese)."
What they leave out though, is that the cards are a green and white colour, that of a Japanese watermelon, known as, wait for it... Suica!
My experience with the Suica Card (Score:3, Informative)
Once a month I renew my travel pass by placing the card in the machine in the station. The touch screen UI is quite sophisticated allowing you decide when the pass will start and giving you the choice of whether you need a reciept or not so that you can claim the cost on your expenses.
The best feature is that you can also "charge" the card with money and use it as a travel card outside of your normal route. i.e. If you pass for the journey between B to C and one day have to take the train from A to D i.e A-B-C-D it will deduct the charge for the A-B and C-D sections and not charge you for B-C which is covered by your pass.
Every station has notebook PC in the office where the station staff can take the card and look at it if there was a problem. During the first week of introduction there were a few glitches and the stationmaster reset the "bad" count on my card after my card prevented me from getting out of the station thinking that I had jumped the gate at the previous station.
Recently while playing with the machine in the station I found that it can give you a printout of your last 50 journies which could cause privacy concerns for some people.