Slashback: Epson, AbiWord, Justification 208
It was the least they could do. Last week, AbiWord's PayPal account for donations was lightened to the tune of several hundred dollars. Now, an anonymous reader writes "According to this posting, PayPal has succumbed to the pressure. They have agreed to reimburse the AbiWord team for the money that was stolen from their account last week. I still want to know how the AbiWord account was broken into..."
Because licenses matter. specht writes "I am a bit surprised that nobody has reported this yet. EPSON KOWA made their scanner and printer software available for downloading again after they had to pull it because of a GPL violation (see the previous Slashdot story). More information about this (and why it had to be removed in the first place) are here . Kudos to EPSON KOWA and EPSON for working with the FSF to resolve these issues."
No, that's "Gorilla marketing." akiaki007 writes "As many might have noticed, Friday most of Manhattan was covered with butterflies. This article on CNN that states that NYC fined MS $50.00 and the cost of cleaning up the static-cling plastic ads. On a side note, most other companies probably would have been fined per ad, though somehow MS got off, pretty much scot-free."
Priceless -- which is nice when you're paying. Digital Soldier writes "HERE is an article from Government Executive Magazine justifying, from a security perspective, the use of open source software in government. In short, the article makes the point that open source software allows security administrators to be pro-active rather than purely reactive in their work. I guess they don't like waiting for service packs."
Lovely spam, lovely spam ah ah ah ah ... ghostrider_one writes "Australian IT is reporting that notorious Australian spammers T3 direct have appealed the recent dismisssal of their lawsuit against the person they blame for being blacklisted in SPEWS."
It occurs to me... (Score:4, Interesting)
Maybe us Londoners are more relaxed about that sort of thing?
Re:It occurs to me... (Score:2, Funny)
Which reminds me of the old quote. "Jesus is coming. Everybody look busy!"
Alternatively (Score:1)
Actually, I was aiming for Zen, but humorous is ok, I guess
M$'s Ads (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:M$'s Ads (Score:2, Funny)
Re:M$'s Ads (Score:5, Interesting)
Microsoft with $40 billion in cash = $50 / $40 bil = 0.00000000125
Re:M$'s Ads (Score:5, Funny)
Re:M$'s Ads (Score:2)
That buffer overflow - it's not just some ugly bug, it's a caterpillar. Some day it will grow up to be a beautiful butterfly called CodeNimdaRed.
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MSN is a part of Microsoft... (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:M$'s Ads (Score:5, Interesting)
Two: This is pure bullshit. IBM does something similar in San Fran with the "peace love Linux" logos and gets hurt for over $100,000 in fines. They did it in Chicago and they got assesed an $18,000 fine to the person who actually laid chalk on concrete and community service.
Why the hell did they only hit them up with a $50 fine? For a multibillion dollar corporation, headed by the world's richest man, this is lunacy. Per ad would have been better; a whopping huge fine would've been best.
Maybe Mayor Rich^H^H^H^HBloomberg didn't want to rock the boat and piss off a potential contributor.... then again, IIRC he _did_ run in '01 out of his pocket....
Re:M$'s Ads (Score:3, Informative)
The trouble is that the fines aren't large enough - they need to be substantially larger than the amount of publicity generated by the hoo har that results from defacing the public property (i.e. they get on the prime time news, etc). The fine should be more like $1M.
Re:M$'s Ads (Score:3, Insightful)
Don't store money on PayPal! (Score:5, Insightful)
He's fallen in der water! (Score:1)
Re:Don't store money on PayPal! (Score:3)
Re:Don't store money on PayPal! (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Don't store money on PayPal! (Score:2)
FDIC Doesn't insure money (Score:3, Informative)
Nothing insures you from theft unless explicitly stated. Visa states that you are insured for all purchases through VISA and ONLY VISA. Has *NOTHING* to do with FDIC insurance.
FDIC insures that if the bank is fraudulent, goes out of business or gets blown up that you get your money back up to the $100,000.00 insured.
Now if your dumb ass leaves a blank check or a debit card * pin number laying around FDIC isn't going to protect you from squat and it WOULD BE THE BANKS DISCRETION TO PAY YOU IF ANYTHING AT ALL.
Misses the point.... (Score:2)
Here's a hint: with very little information anyone can create false documents to access my checking account. It is trivial for anyone who had legitimate access to one of my checks. They'll probably even manage to get them cashed. But the back cannot refuse to acknowledge my complaint of criminal fraud, and I'll probably get my money back immediately if the signatures don't match at all, etc.
Re:Don't store money on PayPal! (Score:5, Insightful)
PayPal looks like a bank, smells like a bank, and sounds like a bank. The fact that they are not regulated nor insured doesn't mean they're not a bank--only that they've not yet been busted as such. Write your congress critters to take note. PP all but ignores a large amount of fraud, simply because it's cheaper to do so--most people won't do the leg work necessary to get their, usually, smaller amounts of cash back.
Regulation will come eventually. PP/e-bay will put that date off as long as possible for sure, however.
Re:Don't store money on PayPal! (Score:2)
Re:Don't store money on PayPal! (Score:4, Interesting)
And that's just malicious things that companies can do. What about if things go south with the company itself? What happens to your money? Paypal cares so much about the safety of your money that they are not even FDIC (Federal Desposit Insurance Corporation) insured. This is considered the minimum standard of safety with any corporation that stores or moves around any consumer money.
I'm sort of happy their tipjar was broken in to as well, since it gives me a concrete example of how insecure PayPal is. I'm also glad they got it back, though I'm sure if there was not so much PR about it, it would not have happened. It should be obvious that most people or companies do not have the ability to raise as big of a stink as AbiWord.
My next question is, though: What the heck were they doing leaving all that money in their paypal account? Most people I know that use paypal for business at least have the sense to get all the money out of there ASAP.
Re:Don't store money on PayPal! (Score:4, Insightful)
They smell like a bank, look like a bank, hold my money like a bank, transfer my money like a bank, but aren't insured like a bank. Heck, i can loose every dime i have and someone owes me!
Umm...no. Each of the items you mention ARE in fact regulated in some fashion. If you're invested in a Mutual Fund, and the MF Manager makes off with your money (ie. doesn't invest it, but actually makes off with it!) you bet your ass there is something you can do about it in the legal system.
I mean...think, man, think, before posting! ;)
I'm so happy the tipjar was broken into, and i certainly wish paypal wouldn't have given in. Sometimes a dose of the real world is what alot of people need.
Welp, that's awfully mean of you. That's like saying I hope you get mugged tomorrow. I don't, and I hope it doesn't. Decency is a good quality, not a bad one, and I don't think it's unreasonable to give it, and expect it in return. Not that it gives you and excuse to not be prepared for when you don't receive it, but still...
Re:Don't store money on PayPal! (Score:2)
Aren't the individual accounts FDIC insured through the banks that hold the money? Granted this is not exactly the same thing, but although PayPal is not a bank, there are banks at veraios places in the transactions.
Payment systems aren't supposed to look like banks (Score:2)
A payment system is different from a bank or an investment broker - its main job is to move money around, not store it except temporarily, so unlike a bank, if your money earns interest that's pure gravy, and unlike a stockbroker, if your money loses value other than the documented fees, that's highly unexpected, but in all three cases, they've got basic fiduciary responsibility to not rip you off, and to not give your money to other people without permission. It's *your* money, not theirs.
Regulation may discourage this, and money-handling services benefit very strongly from trusted independent regulators and auditors, because that makes customers more willing to deal with them (and if they didn't have regulators bullying them around for free or insuring them for a subsidized price, they'd go out and buy equivalent services themselves), but fundamentally anybody who doesn't run their business competently will find Darwin kicking them out of the gene pool whether there are regulators helping them or not.
So do I! (Score:4, Funny)
So do I!
I need a new digital camera...
Ok .... is it just me ... (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Ok .... is it just me ... (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Ok .... is it just me ... (Score:1, Offtopic)
Re:Ok .... is it just me ... (Score:1)
Maybe everyone that posted below this should take some of their own medicine.
All well and good for AbiWord. (Score:4, Informative)
Are they going to help them? here is a whole website [paypalsucks.com] about how bad they are. Several in fact.
Re:All well and good for AbiWord. (Score:5, Insightful)
1. I've never had a problem.
2. Been a customer "since day one"
3. I've done a few grand through paypal and while they don't have phone support, i've never had an un-answered email request.
I only deal with ebay sellers +5, i only take payments from verified paypal account holders and i keep a seperate checking account established for just linking to such accounts.
Paypal is a godsend for those who push money, goods and materials. I don't treat it like a bank, and i respect it for what is is.
Change your passwords, don't be "gullible" deal with good people.
Common sense people.
Re:All well and good for AbiWord. (Score:4, Funny)
Then PayPal took all my money (or allowed someone else to), forced me into bankruptcy, the bank took my house and my wife ran off with the PayPal support guy - we had so many problems they fell in love after talking on the phone and exchanging e-mails so much. Now I'm posting this from the public library, I sleep in my '75 Vega, shower at the Y (don't drop the soap), eat out of McDonald's dumpster.
Yeah, you all wish that was the story, don't you? The fact is neither I nor any customers had any trouble with PayPal. I continue to use PayPal for auctions, again without trouble. My password is "fraGTh1$BuddY**867-5309" so you see it's very secure and I keep it safe - not even my wife knows it.
Basic security precautions, people. The fault lies not with the stars but with ourselves (or something like that).
Static Cling Butterfly Ads? (Score:5, Funny)
Epson. (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Epson. (Score:2)
I never heard.
I do have to say they make some great scanners. I love my 640U. Its quick and still makes great quality scans compared to anything out there.
Oh my god... (Score:1, Redundant)
Mickey and Minnie Mouse have turned traitor! [cnn.com]
Re:Oh my god... (Score:4, Funny)
di$ney already traitors (Score:2, Offtopic)
Walt Disney Company was the biggest corporate backer of the Sonny Bono Copyright Term Extension Act (both the EU and the USA versions) and one of the biggest voices in favor of the DMCA, next to Time Warner. See also Influence Inc [opensecrets.org].
Disney steals from the public domain and gives to its shareholders. Does this make Disney some sort of perverted Robin Hood [hampsterdance2.com]?
Takes the biscuit... (Score:1, Redundant)
Jeez, lots of people bitch and whine about duplicate stories being posted, but when the same news is posted twice in the *same* story, you gotta laugh...
Re:Takes the biscuit... (Score:2)
M$ adds (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:M$ adds (Score:1)
That would rock if you could "arrest" corporations.
Re:M$ adds (Score:2)
Injunction is much less severe than prison (Score:3, Insightful)
You can [imprison a corporation], its called an injunction. It freezes them from acting
No. An injunction bans one from doing one particular thing. Prison bans one from doing just about anything. The closest thing to prison for a corporation would probably be suspension of the company's operations for several months.
Re:M$ adds (Score:2, Funny)
MS: Let me introduce you to the BSA.
NY: Did I say $1,000,000? I meant $50.
MS: I thought so.
But they had PERMITS!!! (Score:3, Insightful)
All you Microsoft-bashers crying about Microsoft getting off "scott-free" should read the article again. They had PERMITS for crying out loud! And the city didn't argue the fact that they had permits, only that the permits were improperly issued. Sounds to me like the CITY made the mistake, and Microsoft shouldn't have been fined at all!
Of course, I'm certainly no Microsoft-lover, but c'mon guys, be honest. If there's ONE thing that Microsoft has consistently done WELL, it's gotta be marketing. We geeks could learn something from them.
NO THEY DID NOT (Score:2)
All fact-checking aside, it defies belief that any NYC agency has the power or the inclination to issue permits for the plastering of decals over public subway signs, private building facades, and public sidewalks.
-renard
Most appropriate from Abiword . . . (Score:1)
I was quite impressed with the performance from AbiWord. This really is a good incentive to check it out!
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hmmmm (Score:4, Funny)
Guthriesque! (Score:5, Funny)
And Microsoft had to pay $50 and clean up the garbage?!?!?!
Typical case of American Blind Justice, I think!
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Evan "Ah, the classics..."
Re:Guthriesque! (Score:3, Interesting)
Microsoft's competitor Nintendo (Score:2, Offtopic)
And Microsoft had to pay $50 and clean up the garbage?
Now Microsoft has to act out the role of the hero of a competing console company's title, Super Mario Sunshine!
Re:Guthriesque! (Score:2)
Re:Guthriesque! (Score:2)
-- /.ers "get" this thread)
Evan (Who wonders how many
Re:Guthriesque! (Score:2)
A litterbug...
and creating a NUCIANCE!
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May I offer some advice? (Score:5, Funny)
1. I've never used PayPal.
2. I've never lost any money to PayPal.
Somehow these seem connected.
Re:May I offer some advice? (Score:2, Funny)
1. I've never used PayPal.
2. I've never lost any money to PayPal.
3. Profit!
Re:May I offer some advice? (Score:5, Funny)
OSR (Score:2)
Re:May I offer some advice? (Score:2)
get attacked much before you got the rock?
Please, Microsoft, do it again! (Score:4, Funny)
putting swastikas on all the butterflies.
Re:Please, Microsoft, do it again! (Score:2)
Re:a symbol of good luck and high score (Score:2)
The Perpetrators (Score:5, Interesting)
If not, why not? Maybe there's NOT a security problem... and the thieves work at PayPal?
OK, it's ridiculous... but so is the idea that Pay Pal wouldn't help AbiWord with such info...
Microsoft Ads (Score:2, Insightful)
Makes you wonder, why pay for commercials during prime time news, when you can be the news for so much cheaper?
Is it just me??? (Score:4, Funny)
The idea of a grown man in a butterfly suit quite frankly scares me.
Re:Is it just me??? (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Is it just me??? (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Is it just me??? (Score:2)
Ooooo, that's a bad one. Just talking about it makes me break out in a cold sweat.
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Re:Is it just me??? (Score:2)
Good for AbiWord, but... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Good for AbiWord, but... (Score:2)
Ebay wants to keep people happy.
I could care less about AbiWord tipjar. Other places with 1000x the amount of funds abiword ever saw do just fine.
I'm sure Trillians tip jar was larger then abiword's by 100 fold, yet they didn't have problems!
IBM Linux Peace Ads? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:IBM Linux Peace Ads? (Score:2)
Re:IBM Linux Peace Ads? (Score:2)
I believe IBM had to pay quite a large sum for cleanup..
Re:IBM Linux Peace Ads? (Score:3, Informative)
Still, it was intended to wash off.
From CNN [cnn.com]:
"The signs are made from biodegradable chalk, she added, and can be removed easily.
"It washes right off, so it will be removed the next time it rains."
It rained in San Francisco Wednesday evening, but the penguins were still there Thursday morning, smiling broadly."
Re:IBM Linux Peace Ads? (Score:2)
Re:IBM Linux Peace Ads? (Score:2)
Am I the only one that watches CNN? (Score:2)
They admitted wrong, publically apologized, and cleaned up their mess. That's how they got off 'scot-free'.
Re:Am I the only one that watches CNN? (Score:2)
Re:Am I the only one that watches CNN? (Score:2)
I have. I was pulled over once at 2am in the morning going 40 in a 25. The rest of the road was 40 mph, but this was next to a school. However, at 2am in the morning on a Saturday (Sunday?) there was no children. What I did was illegal, but for all intents and purposes it was harmless.
When the officer asked for my license I handed it to him and said "I'm sorry, I was going way too fast." That was it. I didn't even get a written warning. I imagine the officer was happy that I didn't try to give him a BS excuse to rationalize doing something illegal.
Re:Am I the only one that watches CNN? (Score:2)
I dunno. I just know the section of road I was on was a 25 mph zone and it was next to a school. I wouldn't base all of America on my detail lacking post.
Re:Am I the only one that watches CNN? (Score:2, Insightful)
Yes, I know Microsoft's butterfly decals are not much different than IBM's Linux campaign, but let's think for a bit here. The stickers that Microsoft used were rather slick on the top, I hear, and putting them on the curbs and sidewalks is like an invitation for hip-breaking.
Re:Am I the only one that watches CNN? (Score:2)
No doubt about that. And if they did break somebody's hip you know MS'd be in rather big trouble.
Question: Weren't the 'stickers' more like mouse pads? They didn't really stick so much as they just didn't move very easily? Weren't they really easy to pick up?
Unfortunately, it was hard to tell that from TV. It didn't look like clean-up would have been a big deal as long as MS did it themseles instead of having the city waste taxpayer money to do it.
I do suspect, though, that there might have been concern over whether or not MS would retaliate. Imagine what an MS audit would bring up...
Innovate (Score:2)
Fine MS per square meter and per pedestrian! (Score:5, Funny)
Update text mistake (Score:4, Funny)
Thank you.
Re:Update text mistake (Score:2, Funny)
A first: duplicate discussion messages! (Score:2, Funny)
Boy, I've seen duplicate stories on
What next, duplicate discussions of duplicate discussions?!? Quick, call CNN, they're sure to not give a crap.
#undef SARCASM
Three big companies, three... (Score:5, Insightful)
... unsatisfying resolutions.
Paypal will resolve a problem with a prominent customer after a big fuss has been made about it. Otherwise, of course, no change.
Epson makes the smallest possible change to a license (not to forbid reverse engineering), so as to use an LGPLed library legally. It looks like Epson tried it on; it didn't work out, but it was worth a try.
Microsoft was almost certain to gain more by the stunt than it would lose in fines. $50 per "decal" would have been cheap, but it wasn't even fined that much.
Re:Three big companies, three... (Score:3, Insightful)
To be honest, no matter how we see the situation, the fines are not meant to ensure that Microsoft pays more than it gained, but to gain some assurance that this does not happen again. I guess that this was covered by the two correspondents.
Re:Three big companies, three... (Score:2)
"Prominent" customer? I hardly think the tip jar for the guy giving away a homebrewed word processor qualifies as "prominent". So, do you know how the money was taken? How do you know it was Paypal's fault?
Arthur (Score:2)
Whats the exchange rate? M$ 50 (Score:2)
Does Microsoft have is own currency now ?... Well i guess it makes sense : )
refund or donation? (Score:2, Interesting)
Just a quick note (Score:3, Funny)
Too bad PayPal isn't nice to everyone... (Score:2)
The amount was a donation to an educational site [hyperdictionary.com] that I run, but the credit chargeback was because I 'failed to deliver merchandise'. How I failed to deliver on a donation is beyond me.
Unfortunatly, PayPal won't give me time of day over the issue. It is a shame that I would have to be an open source project, and rally the slashdot masses, in order to have a chance at reasonable customer support.
-Chris
Re:In story dupe (Score:2)