Slashdot is powered by your submissions, so send in your scoop

 



Forgot your password?
typodupeerror
×
It's funny.  Laugh.

The First Smiley :-) 469

An anonymous reader points to this excellent bit of online archaeology -- Mike Jones' effort to find the first online smiley. A bit from the site: "After a significant effort to locate it, on September 10, 2002 the original post made by Scott Fahlman on CMU CS general bboard was retrieved by Jeff Baird from an October 1982 backup tape of the spice vax (cmu-750x)." Interesting methodology and a lot of work went into the search -- shades of the Dead Media Project.
This discussion has been archived. No new comments can be posted.

The First Smiley :-)

Comments Filter:
  • Surprising (Score:2, Interesting)

    by _anomaly_ ( 127254 ) <anomaly@geek[ ]s.com ['bit' in gap]> on Thursday September 12, 2002 @10:39PM (#4248958) Homepage
    Anyone else kind of surprised that this didn't happen prior to '82?
    Maybe it's just my cynical nature, but it's hard to imagine that emoticons as we know them weren't thrown around amongst colleagues in academia way before this.

    At any rate, I'll sleep better now knowing... ;-]
  • by Nakoruru ( 199332 ) on Thursday September 12, 2002 @10:42PM (#4248980)
    Check out the inventors home page [cmu.edu].

    Looks like a happy guy, how appropriate.
  • Ascii Galore (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Tablizer ( 95088 ) on Thursday September 12, 2002 @10:58PM (#4249074) Journal
    The ultimate use of ASCII: ASCII animation. Here is an ASCII Animation Star Wars:
    [asciimation.co.nz]
    http://www.asciimation.co.nz/

    I think this is really cool. I wonder if there is a game version.
  • More Info (Score:4, Interesting)

    by willpost ( 449227 ) on Thursday September 12, 2002 @11:02PM (#4249089)
    "By the early 1980's, the Computer Science community at Carnegie Mellon was making heavy use of online bulletin boards or "bboards". These were a precursor of today's newsgroups, and they were an important social mechanism in the department - a place where faculty, staff, and students could discuss the weighty matters of the day on an equal footing. Many of the posts were serious: talk announcements, requests for information, and things like "I've just found a ring in the fifth-floor men's room. Who does it belong to?" Other posts discussed topics of general interest, ranging from politics to abortion to campus parking to keyboard layout (in increasing order of passion). Even in those days, extended "flame wars" were common."

    "Given the nature of the community, a good many of the posts were humorous (or attempted humor). The problem was that if someone made a sarcastic remark, a few readers would fail to get the joke, and each of them would post a lengthy diatribe in response. That would stir up more people with more responses, and soon the original thread of the discussion was buried. In at least one case, a humorous remark was interpreted by someone as a serious safety warning."

    "This problem caused some of us to suggest (only half seriously) that maybe it would be a good idea to explicitly mark posts that were not to be taken seriously. After all, when using text-based online communication, we lack the body language or tone-of-voice cues that convey this information when we talk in person or on the phone. Various "joke markers" were suggested, and in the midst of that discussion it occurred to me that the character sequence :-) would be an elegant solution - one that could be handled by the ASCII-based computer terminals of the day. So I suggested that. In the same post, I also suggested the use of :-( to indicate that a message was meant to be taken seriously, though that symbol quickly evolved into a marker for displeasure, frustration, or anger." -Scott E. Fahlman - the inventor of the smiley [cmu.edu]

    Smiley Lore [cmu.edu]
  • Re:Another birth? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Bonker ( 243350 ) on Thursday September 12, 2002 @11:53PM (#4249283)
    Nah, ASCII art has been around a lot longer than that. In the same thread, they're referencing Nroff, Press, and Tex formatted images of ET and Yoda.

    One of my father-in-law's favorite war stories was about his stint as a communications officer at a U.S. base in South Korea during the Veitnam war. At one point a good buddy in the U.S. sent him and his fellows a fairly high resolution black and white version of Playboy's Miss October 71... via teletype. The image had to be stapled together from multiple teletype sheets (4 feet wide and 6 feet long, I think he said) and viewed from several feet away before the print characters were recognizable as a female figure.
  • by A Rabid Tibetan Yak ( 525649 ) on Friday September 13, 2002 @12:29AM (#4249399)
    ...that no-one has mentioned the Denoser [sourceforge.net] project.

    Simply put, if your website is smiley-heavy, you can achieve up to a 33% reduction in bandwidth costs simply by removing the nose from your smiley :).

    OK, that's my contribution to Ancient Geek studies over with...
  • by Rob Simpson ( 533360 ) on Friday September 13, 2002 @12:48AM (#4249445)
    Perhaps... but smileys are primarily used in two-way communication, with people "talking" and interacting with each other. (E-mail, message boards, IRC, ICQ/AIM) I'd hardly expect to see a smiley in, say, a chapter of an online novel.
  • by Art Tatum ( 6890 ) on Friday September 13, 2002 @01:12AM (#4249525)
    Yes. For instance, when a girl I was interested in (who had told me that she *wasn't* interested) didn't answer an email, and I gently reminded her, I used a smiley to show that I wasn't a bitter psychopath who was going to stalk her and bash her head in with a tire-iron. It's easy for good old JWZ to sit up there in his high tower and pontificate but he isn't staring down a restraining order.
  • Yes, but... (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Art Tatum ( 6890 ) on Friday September 13, 2002 @01:22AM (#4249554)
    Do they ever ask what <aol>Repetitive fawning crap goes here...</aol> means?
  • by btempleton ( 149110 ) on Friday September 13, 2002 @01:24AM (#4249560) Homepage
    A while ago I researched the history of the term Spam [templetons.com] and found interesting things.

    But one thing I would like to find that I dimly remember is the first use (on Arpanet mailing lists in the late 70s) of the Johnny Storm "Flame On!" when getting angry in a posting.

    In those days it was always followed with "Flame Off", though this has sadly gone by the wayside.

  • by l810c ( 551591 ) on Friday September 13, 2002 @01:26AM (#4249573)
    Perhaps you are aware of this invention called "books"? They've never seemed to need any of this shit.

    A book takes many months to write. It is thought out, edited and (usually)long.

    On the other hand, we are having a conversation. If we were face to face, I might move my hands, make facial expressions and change tones. Emoticoms are the online forum equivilent of such :p

  • by MyHair ( 589485 ) on Friday September 13, 2002 @01:29AM (#4249583) Journal
    If you think it was invented in 1980s, you are wrong.

    I agree. Unlike you, I don't recall as specificly when I first saw smileys, but there were so many BBSes whose messages are lost, and some of those BBSes had live chat. DARPAnet likely had its share of college chatters. (I wasn't even familiar with TTY's except I thought they were just for the deaf.) It's incredibly pompous for this guy to think he found the first smiley and for the other guy to claim he invented it.

    The way I see it, anything I can think of or do has already been thought of and done long before I was born. Okay, advancing technology allows a few new "first"s, but they are infinitesimally rare, and somebody thought of it before you, anyway.

    The only interesting thing I found about this article is the obsolescence of the data storage, but that's a horse than been beaten a few times before. At least now we have CDs, and those will last us for the next few hundred years. :-)

    By the way, I was very anti-smiley for YEARS. I think I had been using BBSes and the internet for 16 years before I finally sold my soul and used a smiley. (I believe I used <sigh> and similar angle-bracketed expressions, but not smileys.) It's too late for me, but you can still be saved.
  • Sorry Charlie (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 13, 2002 @02:22AM (#4249724)
    I recall back in 1979 that smiley's and other emoticons were in use on Unix and VAX systems....geez, even Bank of America's internal network used them.

    Amazing how many "first appeared" that are purported are just not true...
  • by Syn404 ( 179434 ) on Friday September 13, 2002 @02:41AM (#4249774)
    Actually, I've been using the (: smiley for a few years now, but I'm not left-handed. Essentially, I started doing this when various instant messengers and other programs began interpreting :) as an irritating little graphic of a horrible looking smiley. Somehow, the text smiley just seems more accurate to me, so I flipped it to evade that. These days, some services unfortunately have already caught on to the backwards smileys, so now it's little more than a symbol of unique-ness around most places. But it's really grown on me. (:
  • by utahjazz ( 177190 ) on Friday September 13, 2002 @03:40AM (#4249918)
    Did anyone notice that the very next post after Fahlman's invented post moderation? (albeit self moderation) quoted here:


    19-Sep-82 18:56 Jeff Shrager at CMU-10A 38521,03,9(6),9(9),1(5),0
    Just signifying that a message is a joke is certainly not sufficient.
    One can develop a taxonomy of bboard message types along several different
    dimensions. Also, where a continuum is preferable to a taxonomy (such as
    where humor value is at issue) one can similarly use a scale to indicate
    where along that scale this message lies. Suppose that all dimensions are
    refered to by a ten point scale (we'll use all integers here although one
    can certainly imagine reals in the case of fine grain continuous scales).
    Some dimensions will be bitwise encoded as well.
    Here is a sample of a coding scheme:

    COMMUNITY: (this is a binary scale with a bit position for
    each department totalling about 32 bits)
    TOPIC: (two digits 00-99)
    (00) Political, (01) Scientific, (02) Computer, (03) Meta, etc
    FLAME VALUE: (continuous 0.0-10.0)
    HUMOR VALUE: (0.0-10.0)
    BORDOM VALUE: (0.0-10.0)
    INFORMATIONAL CONTENT: (-10.0 (for queries) to 10.0 (for their answers))

    Note that some of these scales are purely according to the opinion
    of the author. Thus, we provide, also, a confidence scale: to go along
    with each continuous scale (to be enclosed in parens after the value).

  • I hope they're saving all the posts around it-- not just that thread, but all the backup tapes. It's hard to know what will become worth knowing in a few decades' time-- I doubt anyone would have thought that Fahlman's post would be significant twenty years on.

    I'm sure Google would take them. They've got so much old stuff [google.com] already, and they already archive significant [google.com] amounts [google.com] of [google.com] non-news-based [google.com] discussion [google.com].

  • by AlainRoy ( 533802 ) on Friday September 13, 2002 @10:39AM (#4251031)
    It is well known that online smilies go farther back than the example provided here. The famous MSGGROUP (a very early mailing list, begun in June of 1975) had an earlier example of the smiley. On 12-April-1979, Keving MacKenzie wrote:
    Date: 12 APR 1979 1736-PST
    From: MACKENZIE at USC-ECL
    Subject: MSGGROUP#1015 METHICS and the Fast Draw(cont'd)
    To: ~drxal-hda at OFFICE-1
    cc: msggroup at MIT-MC, malasky at PARC-MAXC

    In regard to your message a few days ago concerning the loss
    of meaning in this medium:

    I am new here, and thus hesitate to comment, but I too have
    suffered from the lack of tone, gestures, facial expressions
    etc. May I suggest the beginning of a solution? Perhaps we could
    extend the set of punctuation we use, i.e:

    If I wish to indicate that a particular sentence is meant
    with tongue-in-cheek, I would write it so:

    "Of course you know I agree with all the current
    administration's policies -)."

    The "-)" indicates tongue-in-cheek.

    This idea is not mine, but stolen from a Reader's Digest article
    I read long ago on a completly different subject. I'm sure there
    are many other, better ways to improve our punctuation.

    Any comments?

    Kevin
    The MSGGROUP archives used to be easily browsable, I think. I found this mail message a couple of years ago. Today when I looked for it, I only found the compressed archives. You can find them online at: http://ftp.std.com/obi/Networking/archives/msggrou p/ [std.com] The message in question is the file named "msggroup.1001-1100-z". I'm not the first person to note this. If you search for msggroup with Google, you'll find other people that have noted it. Even the Economist notes this earlier occurence [economist.com]. -alain
  • by Cynbe ( 96657 ) on Friday September 13, 2002 @11:36AM (#4251362)
    Definitely. I introduced smileys to the Seattle
    BBS scene in 1981 from the ARPAnet, and while
    they were new to local Seattle BBS users isolated
    from the ARPAnet, they were old hat nationally at
    that point.

    Anyone seriously looking for the first smiley
    should at minimum search the SF-LOVERS archives.
    It is reputedly the first big ARPAnet mailing
    list, and was certainly one of them. I believe
    it started about 1975+-2 years; I was on it on
    and off in the late 70s. I would be amazed if
    its archives didn't show lots of smileys predating
    1982. 1982 was when I got sick of ARPAnet and
    took a half-decade vacation from it. :)
  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 13, 2002 @12:19PM (#4251677)
    Long before USENET there was PLATO. PLATO had emoticons galore, much richer than the ASCII ones that came later.

    On PLATO, one created emoticons by taking advantage of the SHIFT-space capability. Whenever you pressed SHIFT-space, the cursor moved back exactly one space. You could then type over the previous character. Combinations of certain characters led to all kinds of faces, smileys, beer glasses, you name it.

    To see some of these examples, go to www.platopeople.com/emoticons.html [platopeople.com].

    - Brian Dear
    Working on a book on the history of PLATO
  • by UberQwerty ( 86791 ) on Friday September 13, 2002 @01:28PM (#4252116) Homepage Journal
    We had to walk to school through six feet of snow, year round, through the blistering heat, straight up, both ways, and we liked it.

    Bah.

    Just because it's possible to do things in a older, harder way, doesn't mean they should be done this way. To paraphrase, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it," doesn't mean "If it works, don't improve it."

    Here's what's more or less a mathematical proof of why you'd be retarded not to use smilies:

    In information theory, information is defined as uncertainty. The more possible messages that can be received, the more information one of them carries. This means that if you are sending a stream of bits (ones and zeroes, like computers use), you'd have to send many, many bits to achieve the same level of information density as if you were sending roman charachters, of which there are 26. We humans typically communicate using words, of which we have thousands, which we represent with strings of 26 unique letters and some punctuation marks. The word "complimentary" carries much more information to its recipient than any one letter, say, "f", simply because there are too few letters for one of them to carry such a specialized meaning. As such, if we can take the formerly meaningless string :-) and assign it a meaning, if only in type, then we have contributed to the information density of every word we type. This is because not only does the person who reads a :-) know that we intend the preceeding statement to be a joke, but he or she can also deduce that based on our awareness and usage of this charachter, that we will not try to approximate it using other words. This means that if I were to use words one might otherwise use to approximate the meaning of a :-), the reciever of the message can know that I must have some reason for using the words instead of the :-). Therefor, to outlaw any potential meaning carrier needlessly cripples communication. If we can assume that each person's goal while using verbal communication is to clearly and quickly communicate a specific message, then it always serves this goal to incoorporate new meaningful symbols and thus more uncertainty (information), and it always works to the contrary to remove symbols.

    Think of '80s mallrat bimbos. They only had 3 words: "like", "y'know", and "whatever". Remember how many of these they had to string together to get meaning out of them? "Like, y'know, like, whatever, y'know?"

    Interestingly, the same argument can be used to show that it's retarded to outlaw words like fuck, shit, and ass. :-)

For God's sake, stop researching for a while and begin to think!

Working...