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The Golden Age of Cup Manufacturing 785

jonerik writes "The Washington Post has this article today on the disappearance of traditional 'small' (8 oz.) cups of coffee in favor of a larger concept of 'small' (12 oz.). In the case of Starbucks, for example, a truly small 8 oz. cup of coffee is still available, but it's called a 'short' and isn't listed on the menu. Why not? 'We still have it,' says Starbucks spokeswoman Lara Wyss, 'but we don't advertise it because of the size of the menu board, the physical constraints.' Yeah, sure. Disposable cup manufacturers have taken notice of the popularity/compulsory nature of larger cup sizes. The Sweetheart Cup Co. started manufacturing a successful 24-ounce hot-beverage cup about two years ago, and Kathy Deignan, the company's national vice president of marketing and account sales says 'The eight- and 10-ounce cups are pretty much gone.' Sweetheart also manufactures 7-Eleven's 44-ounce Super Big Gulp cups, and Deignan says the company is considering producing an 80-ounce cold drink cup - that's 5 pints, folks. Christ, how much do these companies think people need to drink, anyway?"
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  • Not just drinks... (Score:3, Informative)

    by Quasar1999 ( 520073 ) on Wednesday August 07, 2002 @04:52PM (#4028008) Journal
    Has anyone else noticed that there is no longer a 'small' pizza at pizzahut? They start at medium... but the size has become smaller, and now they have extralarge... which is as large as their old 'large' size...

    Well, at least here in Canada... Don't know about the US franchise...
  • Re:2 observations (Score:4, Informative)

    by MORTAR_COMBAT! ( 589963 ) on Wednesday August 07, 2002 @04:58PM (#4028102)
    5 pints is a lot less blood that I have in my body. you might want to see what other people [yahoo.com] can accomplish with a few simple search engine queries.

    hint: the human body has about 6 quarts of blood.

    for a quick refresh on pints and quarts [athens.edu] hit that link.

    hint: there are 2 pints in a quart.

    so 5 pints is 2.5 quarts, which is less than half of the amount of blood in the human body.
  • by MORTAR_COMBAT! ( 589963 ) on Wednesday August 07, 2002 @05:01PM (#4028133)
    Useless facts about the human body [geocities.com]

    some juicy bits:

    The average Human bladder can hold 13 ounces of liquid

    You loose enough dead skin cells in your lifetime to fill eight five pound flour bags

    your skin weighs twice as much as your brain

    When you sneeze, all bodily functions stop--even you heart!

    have fun. remember kids, use knowledge responsibly.
  • by alouts ( 446764 ) on Wednesday August 07, 2002 @05:02PM (#4028154)
    Sure, 44 oz. is huge. But 7-11 has done better than that for years. Their DoubleGulp measures in at a cool 64 oz. Yes, a half gallon!

    The best thing about it is that it even comes in a paper carton-like "cup" that very closely resembles a half gallon carton of milk, but with a hole in the top for a straw.

    'Course, the second coolest thing is the fact that you get anywhere from 700 to 900 calories from one, depending on what soda you put in it (assuming that, like most teenageers, you are not a big fan of diet sodas). Mmmmm half my daily calories in carbonated liquid form....

  • by jaredbpd ( 144090 ) on Wednesday August 07, 2002 @05:04PM (#4028179)
    Of course, chances are they're serving you espresso, and you're getting all the caffeine you need in that little shot glass :)
  • by gfxguy ( 98788 ) on Wednesday August 07, 2002 @05:09PM (#4028234)
    Keep in mind that (a not sugar free) original size big gulp coke has over 40 teaspoons of sugar...

    Now imagine one over two and half times the size... over 100 teaspoons of sugar.

    Then wonder why so many Americans are obese... "but the bigger size is a better deal!"
  • by martyn s ( 444964 ) on Wednesday August 07, 2002 @05:13PM (#4028292)
    Drinking too much water can cause hyponatremia (too little sodium in your blood), which can make all your cells in your body swell up, including your brain cells, which would then cause brain damage. This is a fact.
  • Re:2 observations (Score:3, Informative)

    by Exedore ( 223159 ) on Wednesday August 07, 2002 @05:14PM (#4028293)

    A few points:

    1. Can the human bladder even hold that much? I don't know. I'm sure it stretches a bit, and there's probably a variance from person to person. But it doesn't matter because it doesn't go straight to your bladder, you goof. You see, you have this thing called a digestive tract. Anything you swallow generally goes there first. Nutrients (not that Coke contains much of these) and liquids are extracted and absorbed into your bloodstream. Blood passes through the kidneys and excess water (among other things) is filtered out. Then it goes to your bladder. So the real question should be Can the human digestive tract hold 5 pints, and the answer is probably Yes.
    2. As other posters have already pointed out, the average human body contains about 5 quarts of blood. If you only have 5 pints a trip to the emergency room is probably in order
  • water intoxication (Score:5, Informative)

    by MORTAR_COMBAT! ( 589963 ) on Wednesday August 07, 2002 @05:15PM (#4028304)
    You can drink too much water [ufl.edu]
    Q. I am a runner and would like to know whether it is possible to drink too much water?

    A. Yes, there is a condition known as "water intoxication." It is usually associated with long distance events like running and cycling. And it's not an unusual problem. For example, water intoxication was reported in 18% of marathon runners and in 29% of the finishers in a Hawaiian Ironman Triathlon in studies published recently in the Annals of Internal Medicine and in Medicine & Science in Sports & Exercise respectively.

    What happens is that as the athlete consumes large amounts of water over the course of the event, blood plasma (the liquid part of blood) increases. As this takes place, the salt content of the blood is diluted. At the same time, the athlete is losing salt by sweating. Consequently, the amount of salt available to the body tissues decreases over time to a point where the loss interferes with brain, heart, and muscle function.

    The official name for this condition is hyponatremia. The symptoms generally mirror those of dehydration (apathy, confusion, nausea, and fatigue), although some individuals show no symptoms at all. If untreated, hyponatremia can lead to coma and even death.
  • Uber Gulp (Score:2, Informative)

    by peacefinder ( 469349 ) <(moc.liamg) (ta) (ttiwed.nala)> on Wednesday August 07, 2002 @05:31PM (#4028466) Journal

    It brings to mind the July 8th cartoon from PvP Online [pvponline.com].

    Even funnier, though, is what I found when I hit google with "uber gulp" [earthlink.net].

    Eeeek.
  • Re:Supersize is in. (Score:3, Informative)

    by Mt._Honkey ( 514673 ) on Wednesday August 07, 2002 @05:43PM (#4028568)
    I worked at a movie theater (GKC) back in high school. We had the child size, small, medium, and large (14, 20, 32, and 44oz). The large was nearly big enough to break your foot if you dropped it. Anyway, we offered free refills, and even though the large is a maddening 44oz, we had people come back for 1, 2, even 3 refills. And no, it wasn't a family sharing the drink, one person (and no they weren't carrying a jug that they poured it in). Some people (they're not all fat either) actualy do drink that much in a 2 hour movie.

    Seems to me that that would make your head explode.
  • Re:Quick reply (Score:3, Informative)

    by foo fighter ( 151863 ) on Wednesday August 07, 2002 @06:31PM (#4028936) Homepage
    Speaking of pissing and how much liquid a body can hold...

    Does anyone else here time themselves while urinating?

    I started timing myself after a long movie where I drank a large pop (~30-40oz.), refilled and drank it, and then didn't go to the bathroom until two hours later. It was a very long piss.

    I find my average to be 12-15 seconds. My longest was 43 seconds, again after a long movie with lots of cola involved.

    This isn't a flame, troll, or whatever. I'm just amazed that my body can hold three times the amount it usually takes to make me urinate without my kidneys or bladder popping out my back.

    If 12-15 seconds worth of urine is enough to fill my bladder and make me go to the bathroom, where does my body find room for 2-3 times that amount?

    Are these 40oz. plus cups two- or three-pissers? Meaning you end up going to the bathroom a few times before you can actually finish the thing?

    Just curious.
  • Re:Quick reply (Score:4, Informative)

    by kesuki ( 321456 ) on Wednesday August 07, 2002 @07:16PM (#4029267) Journal
    Keep in mind your basic physics. Your bladder is more than a sack of waste fluid, it's a muscularly controlled valved sack for storing waste fluids. the 'need' to take a leak is based in part on how tired that muscle is of holding in the pee. so if you've got about 12 ounces of fluid in that sack the need to pee will arise at half the speed as if you had 24 ounces of fluid in there. To get an idea of how much harder it is, just take a bottle, put a baloon on the end of it and compare how difficult it is to hold in 12 ounces vs 24... it takes a greater amount of pressure, and the strain of holding pee in has everything to do with the muscular valve for your bladder, not the volumeteric displacement that it's capable of handling.
    As for where your body finds the room for it, that is also simple physics, when you drank the cola in the first place, you expanded your mass and volume, starting in the stomache and then moving on to the blood stream, and finally ending up in your bladder, and when you relieve it, your mass/volume is restored to where it was before, since the volume being talkeed about is under 2% you'd never notice such a miniscule change or variation unless you habitually measured your weight or diameter 10-20 times a day.
    Also keep in mind that the flow rate of urine is affected by the gravitational and muscular forces on the urine inside the body, so the only accurate mesurement is to measure the actual volume of urine, and ignoring the time elapsed, since that is such a highly volitatle variable.
    A slight disclaimer, I'm not an expert, but it's pretty clear that bladders follow basic physics the same as anything else.
  • by MiTEG ( 234467 ) on Wednesday August 07, 2002 @08:02PM (#4029532) Homepage Journal
    What I think is ridiculous is the fact that on the under the sizes listed at Starbucks, "large" is displayed as "Venti (TM)." Now, "venti" is the Italian word for the number 20, and that particular size happens to be 20 ounces. I don't understand how they be allowed to hold a trademark on a number like that.
  • by MKalus ( 72765 ) <mkalus@@@gmail...com> on Wednesday August 07, 2002 @09:54PM (#4030072) Homepage
    This is a subject that is pretty interresting to me since I started racing triathlons, I never really thought that things like Gatorade made sense until some people corrected me on this.

    The following is a first hand account of someone who experienced hyponatremia, pretty scary.

    ----------------

    Hi everyone,

    I'm writing this to "the big list", the PA Buzzards, Virginia Happy Trails
    Running Club, the Montgomery County Road Running Club (in Maryland) and a
    few others to say THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH for the Get Well Wishes, Cards,
    Flowers, and overall concern and support. Wow! I have a lot of wonderful
    friends!

    I am writing to so many people for a few reasons - first, I have received
    many inquires about how I am doing after the Vermont 100 miler. Also, many
    people heard about what happened (which I'll explain below) but only got
    parts of the story. So you'll get the story here - as best I know it, from
    me, Michele Burr - the person who got a severe case of hyponatremia at
    VT100. The people who do know about my getting hyponatremia have urged me
    to post something so that people are aware of this very serious problem.
    I must admit, I don't remember much because I had a seizure and went into a
    coma but I have pieced together many things from people who saw me at the
    end of the race and from talking with my husband, who thank God, was there
    at the finish line and with me during my 5 day stay at two hospitals in
    Vermont and then New Hampshire.

    WHAT IS HYPONATREMIA? This is a condition in which there is a very low
    concentration of sodium in your blood. It is also seen in conjunction with
    WEIGHT GAIN (not weight loss) and most often occurs during endurance
    exercise lasting more than 5 to 7 hours. (From:
    http://www.halcyon.com/gasman/water.htm) More specifically, hyponatremia
    develops as sodium and free water are lost and replaced by fluids, such as
    plain tap water, half-normal saline, or dextrose in water. Basically, this
    condition occurs when a person takes in too much water and not enough salt.
    So you are probably wondering...was I taking Suceed! caps? Was I drinking
    electrolyte fluids? Yes to both of these questions but obviously I was not
    taking enough of either one of these things and yes, I was also eating
    potato chips, peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, fig newtons, and potatoes
    -but again, it wasn't enough salt and I was taking in too much water. My
    weight was up 5 pounds at the last weigh-in. To give you an understanding of
    where my sodium level was compared to a normal person....most people have
    about 140-145 mEq/L - this is some sort of measure of the amount of salt in
    your blood. I had 113 mEq/L. This is extremely low. So, why is this a
    problem? Because you need sodium in your blood for your brain to function.

    WHAT ARE THE SYMPTOMS? The answer to this question is the scary part and why
    this is such a medical emergency when it occurs.
    ****Many of the symptoms are NEUROLOGICAL in origin.**** Level of alertness
    can range from agitation to a coma state. Variable degrees of cognitive
    impairment (eg, difficulty with short-term recall; loss of orientation to
    person, place, or time; frank confusion or depression). Other symptoms
    include seizure activity and irrational behavior. In patients with acute
    severe hyponatremia, signs of brainstem herniation, including coma; fixed,
    unilateral, dilated pupil; decorticate or decerebrate posturing; and
    respiratory arrest. Coma and seizures usually occur only with acute
    reduction of the serum sodium concentration to less than 120 mEq/L.
    (Remember my sodium level was at 113 mEq/L.)

    I didn't recognize where I was or who my friends were or who my husband was
    at the end of the race. I walked the last 5 to 10 miles which is very
    unusual for me and people said I didn't know who they were and it appeared
    as though I didn't even know I was in a race. Shortly after I crossed the
    finish line on Saturday night I started to vomit uncontrollably then I had a
    seizure then I went into a coma. I remained in a coma for 3 days. At some
    point before I woke up out of the coma I began the "irrational behavior"
    mentioned above. I pulled out all my IVs and ripped off my EKG patches and
    tried to kick and hit the nursing and neurosurgeon staff. I was very
    combative whenever someone tried to touch me and was eventually given
    antipsychotic medication.

    When I woke up I didn't know where I was, what
    had happened, what month, or year it was. Upon being forced to give a guess
    for the month I told the neurosurgeons, "I think it's Vermont" for the
    month. I couldn't read and I couldn't add numbers. On Tuesday after the
    race I started to feel much, much, better. I could read again and I had
    watched a car commercial to figure out what year it was. I also got a lot
    of the story about what happened from my husband. It was on this day (or
    maybe Monday?) I learned I had been in another hospital earlier. Why was I
    first in a small local hospital (Ascutney in Windsor, VT) and then
    transferred by ambulance to Dartmouth-Hitchcock? That has to do with the
    scariness about how to treat this medical emergency. It you don't do it
    right, it will lead to further and permanent brain damage.

    HOW IS HYPONATREMIA TREATED? From http://www.rice.edu/~jenky/heat.html: It
    says that the condition is frequently mis-diagnosed as dehydration and that
    the consumption of water makes matters worse because it dilutes the blood
    sodium concentration even further than it already is.
    From http://www.emedicine.com/EMERG/topic275.htm :
    "The principal causes of morbidity and death are when chronic hyponatremia
    reaches levels of 110 mEq/L or less and cerebral pontine myelinolysis (an
    unusual demyelination syndrome that occurs when HYPONATREMIA IS CORRECTED
    TOO QUICKLY).

    Much has been written about treatment of hyponatremia and the potential
    adverse outcome of central pontine myelinolysis. This condition is
    demyelination of the pons, which can lead to mutism, dysphasia, spastic
    quadriparesis, pseudobulbar palsy, delirium, coma, and even death.
    Raising the serum sodium concentration more than 25 mEq/L or to a normal or
    above-normal level in the first 48 hours increases the likelihood of central
    pontine myelinolysis.

    The main controversy in the literature surrounds treatment of chronic
    symptomatic hyponatremia because, as mentioned, central pontine myelinolysis
    may result if the condition is corrected too rapidly. Therefore, although
    treatment in these patients is similar to that just described, the rate of
    correction should be slower (0.5 to 1 mEq/L per hour). Aggressive therapy
    should be discontinued when the serum sodium concentration is raised 10% or
    symptoms abate."

    Upon being admitted at the first hospital in Vermont my soium level was 113
    mEq/L but then quickly went to 116 and the next reading was at 126. The
    hospital felt uncomfortable and kept telling my husband it was possible I'd
    get "PONDS" - which is central pontine myelinolysis (permanent brain
    damage). They also told him to think about long term care for me and that
    "things could turn out a number of ways". They also asked him if I remained
    in a vegetative state, would I want my organs donated and did I have a
    living will prepared. At this point, an ambulance took me to New Hampshire
    to Dartmouth-Hitchcock. Needless to say, I think I aged my husband about 10
    years during these 5 days.

    WHAT ARE THE LONG TERM EFFECTS? Well, so far I feel I am about 95% back to
    where I was neurologically before the race. (Physically, I lost 10 pounds.)
    I couldn't remember my password when I got to my office so I couldn't log
    into my computer and I forgot a combination lock number I often used. I
    also forgot a few people's names. I had a little bit of trouble typing and
    signing my name but that seems to be gone now. The last clear things I
    remember from the race are at the mile 18 aid station. I am also a bit
    spacey (it's a bit difficult for me to concentrate) but I can drive. I am a
    research scientist so it's important that I be able to generate and
    interpret statistics. I haven't tried that yet but I'm optimistic. Here are
    a few more links (in case you just can't get enough about hyponatremia):
    http://www.spinalhealth.net/hypona tremia.html
    http://www.fred.net/ultrunr/hyponatre mia.html#Paul

    Finally, the way to avoid this in the future (for me) is to drink less water
    and eat more salt. I will also push for a blood test from my doctor before
    I run another 100 (this was my 5th one) to make sure I am not starting out
    at a deficit - which is what the doctors were suggesting at
    Dartmouth-Hitchcock Hospital. They said that my low sodium diet, combined
    with a high volume of running (sometimes as much as 100 miles/week) and
    sweating in the heat and humidity here in the Washington DC area were the
    problem combined with the low volume of electrolyte fluids (relative to the
    amount of water I was taking in).

    This was scary. I hope some people will be educated by reading this and for
    the many people who emailed and asked me what happened, I hope this answered
    their questions.

    Thank you so very much again everyone for your concern. My friends,
    co-workers, relatives, and the ultrarunning community have been great!
    Michele Burr
  • Re:Quick reply (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 07, 2002 @11:57PM (#4030598)
    Actually, as your bladder fills, it also stretches. When you "break the seal", it has stretched somewhat so that it can't quite return to the same volume as before, so you can't really empty it completely.

    So what happens is, you piss as much as you can. Then you stop. The bladder slowly regains its original size, but since it isn't completely empty (plus anything added since), the pressure slowly builds. The muscles, already tired from holding before, complain and you feel like you need to hit the bathroom again.
  • by foobar104 ( 206452 ) on Thursday August 08, 2002 @02:23AM (#4031034) Journal
    You are wrong, my sugary friend. There's no moralizing going on here; I'm overweight myself, so I'll be the last person to look down on you for your diet.

    IANAD either, but my girlfriend is a surgical resident. I'm handing her the keyboard at this point.

    You're wrong. Type I diabetes mellitus has a strong genetic link (80% concordance in twins), but type II diabetes appears to be completely linked to sugar intake. It's correlated to obesity too (75% of patients are obese at time of diagnosis), but that appears to be a secondary correlation. Because type II diabetes is a slow, progressive disease, it's usually not diagnosed until many years after onset. A diet high in sugar leads to both obesity (sometimes) and diabetes. That's where the correlation comes from.

    The mechanism works like this. When your blood sugar level rises, the pancreas is stimulated to make and release insulin. The insulin signals cells in muscles, fat, and the liver to absorb sugar from the blood and transport it into the interior of the cell.

    People with type I diabetes have an auto-immunity to pancreatic insulin-producing b-cells. In other words, your immune system seeks out and destroys the cells that produce insulin, so your body can't regulate its blood sugar level. Type I diabetics require total insulin replacement to live, but that's all. It's a relatively simple disease that way: take your shots, monitor your blood sugar, and you'll be fine.

    The pathology of type II diabetes is more complex. It's often a combination of insufficient insulin production in the pancreas and a resistance at the cell to the activity of insulin. In other words, type II diabetics may not have enough insulin, or their body may not respond to insulin, or a combination of both.

    When you eat, your body pancreas starts releasing insulin, which your muscle, fat, and liver cells absorb. If you eat A LOT of sugar, all at once, your body has to produce A LOT of insulin, all at once. If you eat a lot of sugar frequently, your body becomes "used" to it. It becomes less sensitive to high blood sugar, and starts producing less insulin. At the same time, your cells become "used" to having a lot of insulin around, so they stop absorbing it as much. When that happens, you can no longer regulate your blood sugar.

    You can treat type II diabetics with insulin sometimes, but not always. If their cells aren't receptive to insulin, then giving them more won't help. In those cases, the patient is usually treated with metformin.

    So taking good care of yourself in other ways won't necessarily keep you from developing type II diabetes. If your diet includes too much sugar, especially if you ingest it in a way that drives your blood sugar up dramatically, then you're at serious risk.

    Do you suffer from excessive hunger or thirst? Do you get tired 2-4 hrs after you eat? Do you urinate frequently? Do you ever suffer from blurred vision? Your doctor can test your urine to see if you're peeing out glucose. If you don't eat for several hours and your urine still has glucose in it, that's an indication that you may have some degree of type II diabetes.

    If you do develop type II diabetes, chances are you won't know about it for years and years, because it's so gradual. By then, moderate to serious neuropathy may have set in, as well as a degree of retinopathy. Circulation to your extremities will have been reduced. If you let it go for too long, you could end up losing your sight, or your legs. I did a BKA (below knee amputation) on a 67-year-old type II diabetic on Tuesday. He wasn't obese, either.
  • Re:ounces? (Score:2, Informative)

    by oojah ( 113006 ) on Thursday August 08, 2002 @04:50AM (#4031355) Homepage
    I think that they mean "fluid ounces".

    A traditional unit of liquid volume, called the fluid ounce to avoid confusion with the weight ounce. In the U. S. customary system there are 16 fluid ounces in a pint, so each fluid ounce represents 1.804 687 cubic inches or 29.573 531 milliliters. In the British imperial system there are 20 fluid ounces in an imperial pint, so each fluid ounce represents about 1.733 871 cubic inches or 28.413 063 milliliters. A fluid ounce of water weighs just a bit more than one ounce avoirdupois.
  • by kesuki ( 321456 ) on Thursday August 08, 2002 @06:27AM (#4031608) Journal
    Seriously, having worked at a fast food, I can understand what the person was thinking when they gave you the confused look. Because small medium large etc... are all usually industry size terms for the cup. cups come in 4, 8, 12, 16, 20, 22, 32, 44 ounce sizes. 4 ounce is trial size, 8 ounce is almost not in use anymore, but at once time was a water-only-size cup. 12 ounce is usually a 'child' sized cup. 16 is a 'small' 20 is a 'regular' 22 is a 'medium' 32 is a large, and 44 is an extra large. (for those not in the know medium and regular ARE different sizes, but it's possible i mixed them up, and besides the menuboards don't tell you if they're using 20 oz or 22 oz cups.) The sizes are standardized for easy comparison with competitors it would get out of hand if one soda place called a 16 ounce a 'extra large' and the other place called it a small... but anyways, if you 'ask' for a small, you'll generally get the smallest size they have, if the person isn't a rookie. people who work at fastfoods for more than 3 months realize that the poulous doesn't WANT to be educated , they just want to get the food in 5 minutes. I actually ran into problems because of that though, because I would read back orders the _correct_ way instead of the way the customer ordered it if they'd spent more than a few minutes taking the order. And thus I'd have to explain why I rang it up differently. Like people who try to order kid's size drinks. when small was the smallest we had.

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