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Web Designers Ignoring Standards and Support IE Only 1279

An anonymous reader says "According to this story on news.com, it is becoming harder for users of Microsoft-free systems and browsers to view the web. This seems to be a new call to arms from the standards groups, and it is something we should be thinking about. Without help from web designers, using browsers like Mozilla and Opera will effectively cut off our ability to view web sites 'correctly.'" My pet peeve is when sites hype and announce new-and-improved sites, and then they come out and they are simply a gigantic flash application.
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Web Designers Ignoring Standards and Support IE Only

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  • by Mr Guy ( 547690 ) on Monday July 08, 2002 @10:15AM (#3841401) Journal
    For Lynx references?
  • by SSJ2 Labsuit ( 513035 ) on Monday July 08, 2002 @10:27AM (#3841530) Homepage

    The Pope is Catholic

    There's a war in Afghanistan

    CmdrTaco's grammar and spelling leave something to be desired

    Your cat only loves you because you feed it

    That girl would go out with you, if you'd only ask

    Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition

    Let's meet our next contestant, Sybil Fawlty. Special subject: The Bleeding Obvious.

  • by Dave9876 ( 591025 ) on Monday July 08, 2002 @10:35AM (#3841624)
    Nah, it's time for netcat references
    $ printf "GET / HTTP/1.0\n\n" | nc foo 80 | less
    If it can't be read using that, then it ain't worth reading.

  • by Liet ( 57358 ) on Monday July 08, 2002 @10:46AM (#3841758) Homepage
    You are not even capable of aligning your bold tags properly...
  • by FortKnox ( 169099 ) on Monday July 08, 2002 @10:53AM (#3841839) Homepage Journal
    Don't think of it as having to change your design for 5% of the people. Think of it a designing to gain 5% more customers.

    Now tell this to jamie to fix the page-widening-bugs that plague slashdot. And change 5% to the real number of IE users (I'd really like to see real stats on who uses what browser to view /.).
  • Irony (Score:2, Funny)

    by gdr ( 107158 ) on Monday July 08, 2002 @11:02AM (#3841928)
    This page on news.com wouldn't validate on w3c's validator (it doesn't even have a DOCTYPE declaration). Oh, the irony.
  • Re:AOL (Score:3, Funny)

    by PhxBlue ( 562201 ) on Monday July 08, 2002 @11:12AM (#3842077) Homepage Journal

    I'm no corporation, but you've just given me 34 million good reasons to reject any non-IE browser from viewing my personal webpage.

  • by Eccles ( 932 ) on Monday July 08, 2002 @12:38PM (#3842746) Journal
    If these commercial websites would 86 the bandwidth-hogging eye candy, and keep it simple, they would deliver their message more effectively, especially for people who still dial up, and be readable with any browser.

    But, but, but designing that eye candy provides work for otherwise unnecessary marketing types! You expect them to have to get a real job instead? How cruel can you be?
  • by maiden_taiwan ( 516943 ) on Monday July 08, 2002 @12:42PM (#3842772)
    True story.

    At a world-famous corporation (that shall remain nameless here), the chief technology officer mandated IE as the official company browser. Compatibility with all other browsers was to be ignored for cost reasons, for all intranet sites.

    The CTO announced the mandate on an intranet web page.

    The page, when rendered in IE, crashed.

    Of course it displayed perfectly in Netscape.

  • by vanyel ( 28049 ) on Monday July 08, 2002 @02:59PM (#3843849) Journal
    As long as a large enough percentage of users are using IE, complaining won't help much. You can help educate them with a variation of the following stuck in your <head></head> section:

    <script language="JavaScript">
    <!-- Hide the script from old browsers that don't recognize scripts

    var browser_name = navigator.appName;
    var browser_version = parseFloat(navigator.appVersion);

    if (browser_name == "Microsoft Internet Explorer") {
    document.write("<font face=\"Futura, Kudos, Helvetica, Arial\">");
    document.write("<center>\n");
    document.write("My condolences! ");
    document.write("You appear to be running Internet Explorer.<br>\n");
    document.write("I highly recommend checking out ");
    document.write("<a href=\"http://www.opera.com\">Opera</a>\n");
    document.write("as an alternative...\n");
    document.write("</center>\n");
    document.write("</font>\n");
    document.write("<p>\n");
    } // -->
    </script>
  • by jjv411 ( 267377 ) on Monday July 08, 2002 @03:55PM (#3844304)
    Speaking of standards and supporting multiple browsers... I do some web development on the side. One of the companies I work for doesn't care if we screw over Netscape 4.x users. This makes development real easy (using XHTML, HTML 4.0, CSS, etc). The other companies I work for want me to still support Netscape 4.x. I HATE SUPPORTING NETSCAPE 4.x. Are there any opinions on how long old browsers should be supported? Is it safe to say that anyone using any half-way decent OS can get some flavor of Mozilla or Netscape 6.x? The only OS that I know is screwed is Solaris 2.5 or less. Anything else?
  • by ealar dlanvuli ( 523604 ) <froggie6@mchsi.com> on Monday July 08, 2002 @05:31PM (#3845011) Homepage
    Then they should use CSS for popup navigation on the left sidebar...

    oh wait, IE dosen't support CSS well enough to do that, nevermind..

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