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Handhelds for Students? 212

OmegaGeek writes "Wired is reporting from NECC 2002 that one solution to achieving universal computer access advocated by teachers (and marketing departments too, no doubt) is the use of handheld computers instead of laptops or desktop PCs. Is this a reasonable solution? Does it offer anything for the students other than the ability to beam notes instead of passing a piece of paper? I've also posted a commentary at LearningTech."
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Handhelds for Students?

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  • by Fapestniegd ( 34586 ) <{gro.etihwsemaj} {ta} {semaj}> on Friday June 21, 2002 @09:03AM (#3742886) Homepage
    It takes just as long to learn how to program one of those things (in my day it was the hp 48) than it does to simply upload the material to your brain using a little IO device called "studying."

    Just my $.02 YMMV
  • by Vengie ( 533896 ) on Friday June 21, 2002 @09:05AM (#3742901)
    PDA's and other hand-held devices can be a huge boon to anyone who has the capacity to use them. Sure, students who already know how to use a computer and _type_ will benefit from the technology. However, what about students who lack that. We haven't reached the point where all students in all public schools have computer access or even a relevant amount of computer knowledge. To a certain extent; this is overkill.
    I don't quite think this will turn into glorified note passing; Given the chance to roll their own apps, I think this could result in a number of great projects. I know that if I had been handed some form of PDA with wireless capability in high school, my friends and I would have developed some form of networked app/network game. (Ahh, the joys of having time to code in homeroom) However, the amount of experimentation that would be allowed with the device would be called into question; You'd need a really progressive school system to allow that type of innovation.
  • by MarvinMouse ( 323641 ) on Friday June 21, 2002 @09:07AM (#3742908) Homepage Journal
    You add a microphone, and at least the vocal part of the notes can be taken almost instantly.

    You have the teachers distribute the handouts in a digital form and the written portion of the notes are handled as well.

    The only fear that remains are people who don't study or pay attention. Now, they won't have to do anything in class with this set up because all of the vocal part of the class will be recorded and all of the written part will be transmitted. Thus, the only remaining reason to write would be for small details not covered in the written portion.

    Interesting idea though. (Albeit, seeing how many of my friends turned their graphic calcs into message sender/receivers(infra-red ports), I wouldn't be surprised if that happened with this as well.)
  • In Short, NO. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by mekkab ( 133181 ) on Friday June 21, 2002 @09:08AM (#3742915) Homepage Journal
    Why? Glad you asked!

    I think educators are basically being tapped out for their budget, so they are being marketed (or "marked") by poeple who have computers and want to sell it.

    But before we step in to the "can we do it?" phase, we need to step into the "Why?" phase:

    What advantage is this going to confer to kids?
    A radically changed lesson plan to incorporate whiz-bang gizmos, where neither the lesson plan nor the gizmos have had all their bugs wrinkled out?

    No, this is a bottom up approach and you end up having the tail wag the dog. Lets look at computers in some schools- in the late 80's my grammar school had a couple of Commodore PETs (literally 2), it was wheeled out for special occaisions (once a year) and wheeled back into its closet. It was obvious that they bought the hype that "computers are our future, so simply by having one near a classroom it will enrich the students!"

    We need a top down approach: what are we trying to teach? How best to implement the lesson plan?
    And if you want to teach "computers" (ugh, who'd want to take that class?!) figure out what you want to do- maybe instead of a hand held device one of those microprocessor lab trainers (a computer on a board with a led read out and hex keypad input), or a unix system, or just a plain ol' windows box with Word on it (hey, typing is a skill!)

    I hate when people just throw tech at a problem without thinking it through.
    This guy,
    "I'm trying to figure out how to use Palms in our schools,"

    is doomed.
  • by RobinH ( 124750 ) on Friday June 21, 2002 @09:08AM (#3742916) Homepage
    From the article: "It gives all kids an opportunity to use technology," he said.

    That's a pretty pointless statement to make. When the kids ride a schoolbus to school, they're using technology. When they use a toaster to toast their pop-tarts in the morning, they're using technology. When they change the channel on their TV with a remote control, they're using technology. If they have a wristwatch, they're using technology!

    It sounds to me like whoever wrote this article is getting kickbacks from the handheld manufacturers.
  • Chrimany (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Hard_Code ( 49548 ) on Friday June 21, 2002 @09:10AM (#3742925)
    I'm glad a don't live in San Antonio and have to fund this with my tax dollars. It is a stupid and clueless waste, and a cop out for real education. A computer lab should be enough. We have such a freaking gadget fetish, and now we're shoving it onto kids? So they are not allowed to carry cell phones and pages, but handhelds are now mandatory? These will largely just be used for games and various other bullshit and time wasting. The most valuable part of education will come from teachers and books - not the technological gadget of the day. Imagine a teacher having to compete for attention with the handhelds of each student. Hey, I have a really cool handheld: a notepad and a freakin pencil.

    The conveniences you demanded are now mandatory.
  • by mekkab ( 133181 ) on Friday June 21, 2002 @09:12AM (#3742937) Homepage Journal
    My wife has a slim little toshiba laptop and she types much faster ( not to mention much neater) than she can scrawl with a pen or pencil.

    Given the extremes, it seems silly to "mandate" such a thing into existence- let the typers type, let the writers write, and let the kids who sleep in the back use a tape recorder!
  • by Dilbert_ ( 17488 ) on Friday June 21, 2002 @09:17AM (#3742971) Homepage
    Erm... I thought the point of making notes during class was that you could use them to study the material, or annotate the provided texts. With a voice recorder you'd be forced to listen to every lecture *again* when exams rolled around. Surely no student has the time for that?
  • by Markvs ( 17298 ) on Friday June 21, 2002 @09:18AM (#3742974) Journal
    I work (as a contractor) at a Board of Ed. We've had three different laptop programs, and the first two were dismal failures. Now with the 3rd one, kids won't be taking them home. The problem with laptops and kids is the same as palmtops and kids.

    The problem is that children aren't adults, and are (generally) less responsible and tend to throw their bags/coats etc. In short, things get broken. Never mind "I left it at home" excuse derailing a project and wasting time in the classroom. Wired workstations are still the way to go, not only for speed, but also for reliability.

    Before asking "can we", the question is "should we"?

  • by Nomad7674 ( 453223 ) on Friday June 21, 2002 @09:28AM (#3743033) Homepage Journal
    These were roughly my thoughts, but better said than the conversation going on in my head. ;-) I live near two large cities, New York City and Bridgeport, CT, both of which are struggling to improve their education. Are they struggling to introduce technology to improve the lives of students and introduce them to the 21st century? No! They are struggling to teach the BASICS - math, reading, science, etc.

    At this time, we need to be focussing on Equality of Opportunity by making sure every citizen is literate, understands at least enough Math to balance a checkbook and understand how to save money, and understands enough science to know snake oil salesmen when they show up. If a person knows that much, they can take their destiny into their own hands and learn the rest from books, the Net, whatever.

    That is not to say we should not strive to make computers available to everyone - internet computers in libraries are a great idea. But first things first.

  • Laptops for all (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Wyatt Earp ( 1029 ) on Friday June 21, 2002 @09:36AM (#3743068)
    At my work, this summer we will require all High School students to buy a Thinkpad, iBook or Powerbook G4.

    Already, the English department requires everything to be done on a computer, we offer classes on photography without a darkroom (Photoshop/Gimp) and there is a huge amount of digital photography and video.

    Our campus is 90% covered in 802.11b and we have a flexable attitude towards study locations and learning, so we think that laptops will be a great boon to education at this level.
  • by silicon_synapse ( 145470 ) on Friday June 21, 2002 @09:42AM (#3743094)
    Why haven't they done this yet????

    I'm sure I don't have to tell you how much easier it is to read printed material than it is to read from a lit display. I really don't think it'd be feasible for extended use until ebook readers support electronic ink. It's just too hard on the eyes.

    On another note, reliance on spell/grammer checkers is, I believe, leading to people not being able to spell well on their own or form gramatically correct sentences. I'm don't claim to be immune from this either. My spelling can be terrible at times (most of them). I won't even start on how grammer checkers have such bad grammer. Who are they helping?
  • by andykuan ( 522434 ) on Friday June 21, 2002 @09:54AM (#3743175) Homepage
    I find it strange that everyone is obsessing about how laptops, PDAs, and computers are used as learning devices in school when that's not what they're really good for (unless you're learning about computers). If you use the business world as a model -- since that's where most computers are used -- you find that people do four things with their computers: organize their lives, create documents, surf the web, and send/receive email. If putting a PDA into a kids hands will help them with just ONE of those tasks -- organizing their lives -- it'll make the kids more productive in school. That's the argument used in the business world for adopting these devices so it stands to reason one can make the same argument in education.

    How the PDAs are handled by these kids (including being broken, stolen, etc.) is besides the point. If we know PDAs will help them manage the information that they're bombarded with daily then they should be used. Working out the logisitics is really secondary.

  • by MrRagu ( 212889 ) <ploovo241@@@yahoo...com> on Friday June 21, 2002 @10:08AM (#3743276) Homepage
    I had one class in a classroom that had a laptop bolted to every desk. During lecture the professor encouraged us to use the web to find further information on questions he couldn't fully answer. I remember during a lecture on Huffman coding some students found a great Java animation of the algorithm that they sent to the professor who then displayed it on the projector.

    But beyond just providing an instant reference the laptops provided a way to communicate with the professor during lecture without disrupting class and without fear of embarrasment. The professor set up an IM account that he left logged on during lecture. Anyone at any time could IM the prof questions, comments, or links to reference material anonymously and the professor could then answer them at a convenient point in the lecture. Some might argue that anonymity may not allow the professor to get to know about their students, but I feel that in large lectures, alot of questions go unasked because people feel too embarrassed to ask them. In our class the professor knew exactly when something he said needed clarification. I think the students benefitted greatly from what the technology allowed.

  • by warpSpeed ( 67927 ) <slashdot@fredcom.com> on Friday June 21, 2002 @10:09AM (#3743289) Homepage Journal
    The students that are natuarly drawn to tech will learn how to use it regardless.

    The problem for the schools is that most teachers, and administrators are not interested in tech (they are interested in teaching thier core subjects). And they may not understand how to use it, which is not thier fault, they were most likely never trained on it, or have no desire to use it.

    The schools are told to embrace tech, and teach it. They do, but find out that the technicaly inclined kids quickly outpace the teachers and are doing things that the administrantion and teachers do not understand, and are not comforatable with.

    Before you know it, the studetns are in a locked down envirment, techincaly speaking, with tools that can go far beyond what the students are allowed to do with them. It is no fun learning a tool that you are not allowed to use to its full potential.

    They end up teaching tech to the lowest common denominator, and the technicaly savvy kids are frustrated, and move on to something else, or find ways to break the system.

    If you want to teach tech, you need tech savvy teachers... otherwise it is wasted effort.

  • by YrWrstNtmr ( 564987 ) on Friday June 21, 2002 @10:11AM (#3743300)
    The point is, hopefully, to enhance the teaching/learning experience.

    If introducing PDA's does help in one area --organizing their lives-- but brings along detriments (beam cheating, stolen/broken PDA's, goofing off playing games), has the teaching/learning experience really been enhanced?
    Using the business model as a starting place is not really valid. Kids are not office workers, they are kids. And kids like toys. Which is what these PDA's will become. Expensive toys that the taxpayer funds. To the detriment of other things like teacher salaries, books, regular supplies.

    1 step forward and 2 steps back is not a good way to progress.
  • by afflatus_com ( 121694 ) on Friday June 21, 2002 @11:20AM (#3743815) Homepage

    ...actually the handheld's killer app in education, once the notes can be passed globally.

    I curate MedicalMnemonics.com [medicalmnemonics.com] which is a non-profit database of mnemonics for medical students, which includes a port to the PalmOS.

    In the pre-handheld days, you could dream something up, and share it with someone nearby. Now a button click on the handheld shares your new studying technique to about 40,000 other students trying to learn the same thing as you are.

    The implementation has received good feedback from the pretty much all the students who use it. Some buy their handhelds, others get them provided by the school. Laptops aren't nearly as popular as handhelds, since walking around all day on the wards in the clinical years--never really sitting down to be able to open up a laptop.

    Since slashdot is a technology site, the mechanism of global sharing, used in the application, might prove interesting too: To avoid custom HotSync conduit problems on Linux and other platforms:

    1. Button click on the PalmOS application makes an XML record of the new entry to be shared.
    2. Place the XML record in the email application's outbox (including a b64 text version of any picture that was drawn).
    3. Now are automatically piggy-backing on the existing online email, or desktop email conduit, to email the XML record off to the server.
    4. Server checks the addition's email address every few minutes, and parses any XML records it finds, adding new entries to the server database, and queuing modifications to existing entries for later inspection.
    5. Every few weeks, server builds an update pack of new records to download, which patches the existing database on the handheld.
  • by Grab ( 126025 ) on Friday June 21, 2002 @02:16PM (#3744869) Homepage
    Backlights are good, and hi-res LCDs are pretty hot these days too (I lucked out on a 17" 1280x1024 LCD at work, and I love it to bits! :-) But eyes aren't set up to look long-term at lit things, they're set up to look at things which reflect light back. Paper is just easier for eyes to look at for long periods.

    Electronic ink will be the big thing to hit displays. But I don't think even that will get away from paper - flicking between pages of a book is simply quicker and easier than flicking through a document.

    Grab.

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