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Blogging for Dummies? 223

Guinnessy writes "Wired News reports that one of the most respected journalism schools in America is going to be teaching blogging as part of next semester's course. I find this quite interesting, especially considering the existing controversy over whether blogging, such as Slashdot, is real journalism or not. I still haven't made up my mind." "Blog" now takes the cake as the most ill-used word of 2002. Please draw distinctions between webpages with news, mindless link propagation, discussion sites, personal diaries or journals, etc.
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  • Blogs and Cat People (Score:3, Interesting)

    by allrong ( 445675 ) on Thursday June 06, 2002 @10:07PM (#3657204) Homepage
    In my (albeit brief) investigations into the personal diary style of blog I seem to have found a correlation between being a female PD blogger and the ownership of a cat. Any suggestions why?

    Where are the dog people?
  • by ObviousGuy ( 578567 ) <ObviousGuy@hotmail.com> on Thursday June 06, 2002 @10:11PM (#3657240) Homepage Journal
    Freedom of the press is one of the most cherished freedoms we hold in this country (the US). It, hopefully, is the 4th branch of government that keeps all other branches in check through close scrutiny.

    Lately, however, such scrutiny has become non-existent. Whether this is a result of the 9/11 attack and its subsequent Arab bashing or because powerful entities with ties to liberal political movements (Ted Turner) have bought out all the major news outlets is up in the air. If anything, it's probably a combination of both factors. These days we see nothing but carefully crafted 'news' and air-brushed reporters and anchors on the tube. The real news gets lost somewhere on the cutting room floor.

    So where can we get our news now without the Big Brother Filter working overtime? The main source is the Web. Sites like the Drudge Report, NewsMax, and IndyMedia (not to mention our own new-anarchist Slashdot :-) are set up to print news as it comes with only the lightest of editing.

    So what comes out of this new media? Frankly, crap for the most part. However, hidden deep in the headlines are jewels of information and true news. Unfortunately these gems are surrounded by conspiracy theories and crackpot reporting that it is difficult to separate the wheat from the chaff. That's the problem with the new media.

    The benefit of the new media (or blogs as the article incorrectly calls it) is that discussion of the topics at hand can begin almost immediately. Slashdot.org is a great example because after each story the readers can chime in with their own comments and insights or provocations. In short, it is news by consensus. Not too shabby.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 06, 2002 @10:12PM (#3657247)
    "Please draw distinctions between webpages with news, mindless link propagation, discussion sites, personal diaries or journals, etc"

    No. I won't. And you're somewhat screwed up to think a word's popular use, lending itself to a definition, should change simply because it's too broad. A word, part of language, can encompass many topics and things. That's why we use them.

    The single word, blog, can mean all of those types of pages. If you want better distinctions, find another word, came up with another word and hope it becomes part of popular language (you've contributed before with a term, e.g. the slashdot effect), or use language (words, usage, formatting) to clarify the distinctions you seek.

    A square is (or you're case, wait, that's too broad) a rectangle, but a rectangle is not a square. Caucasion, human. Web pages, or slashdot.org.
  • Blogosphere (Score:5, Interesting)

    by webword ( 82711 ) on Thursday June 06, 2002 @10:17PM (#3657268) Homepage
    There was a pretty good article about the "blogosphere" a week or two ago. Very long, and relatively interesting, especially if you are interested in blogs, journalism, news, and that sort of thing. If you have a blog, you might like it too. If you are interested, I've got interview questions sent off to John Hiler, the author of the blogosphere article. I think he'll be getting back to me in a few days. I'll have the interview posted on WebWord.com [webword.com] soon after that.

    There was also another story making the rounds about a week ago about making a living from blogging. I was expecting a lot more from it, i.e., some real details on "how to do it", but it was still a reasonable article. It might give you some ideas. Mileage may vary.

    Last link whore comments: If you haven't seen Blogdex [mit.edu] or Daypop [daypop.com], you might want to check them out. Very nice tools to see what it hot in the world of weblogs.
  • College Credit.. (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Knoxvill3 ( 578169 ) <dan@NoSpAM.jediknox.com> on Thursday June 06, 2002 @10:28PM (#3657328) Homepage Journal
    Hey, colleges and universities have to encorporate something that is A) Related to the Present and B) Something easy that even a 1/2 wit can Ace.

    And Weblogs, aka 'Blog's, are just that and then some. I must say I like to occasionally sift through someone's online journal or 'Blog', but 1/2 the time I find myself wondering 'Why is this person complaining?' and 'Where did this person get the idea that people would want to read this stuff?' (that would make me guilty I guess.) and last, but certainly not least, 'Where in the [heck] did this person learn english?'

    But to defend that last curiousity, we can blame the net, (or even D-Dials if you really want to push it), for the lack of educational value when it comes to the written word, namely english. Even I can not concider myself an english major, nor will I even attempt such a bogus statement, but geez, compared to some sites, I could fall into thinking that I'm an English Language God of sorts. =)

    But the end result, it just smells like college teachers are just looking for things to make them 'Hip' and 'in the know' of the present, and it will last a few years till the fad dies down, then it will be tossed into your Local Junior College's Adult education class catalog, right under 'Potery'.

    ( Disclaimer - Potery is not Bad, Pot maybe, But Potery is not, unless of course your a complete and under freak, then maybe even breathing would be a class with too much of a curve for you. Anyways...)
  • by bshanks ( 520250 ) on Thursday June 06, 2002 @10:46PM (#3657384) Homepage
    your denotation may be correct but the connotation is misleading. "link farms", i.e. content selection and summary, is as important as the reporting of original news itself because information is plentiful and an individual's time is scarce. Maybe it is not "journalism", but it is certainly important enough to have classes and even whole courses of study analyzing how it is done and how to do it better.

    perhaps "Blogs are the future of news distribution" would be a better slogan (although personally i believe that something even more P2P, probably more like wikis than blogs, are the future of news distribution)

    oh, and i agree that Slashdot is not a blog -- i like to reserve the word "Blog" for things either more personal (like online journals) or for "web logs", i.e. lists of interesting links that someone or some group has visited. I like to call Slashdot a news discussion board.
  • by Prof.Nimnul ( 583515 ) on Thursday June 06, 2002 @11:20PM (#3657502) Homepage

    After all, is it a set of standards and proceedures for reporting information, or is it just the actual presenting of information that one discovered/uncovered/learned/etc.?

    An editoral or opinion piece in many major newspapers are good examples, as some of them have the writers actually out covering some sort of story, whether it be government corruption or international tensions or what have you, but the only difference between the editorals and the articles is that the editorals have the author stating their own personal feelings about it, rather than "Just the Facts, Ma'am." Their opinionated pieces are basically the same as something the a guy posts on his website regarding something important to him.

    Similarly, let's say I'm wondering about a topic, so I go out and ask around with some people connected to it, check what records I can find, do fact-checking, and then post my findings on my personal website, would that be journalism? I'm not a professional, and it's posted on a site that's not claiming to be a source of hard news, but all the same, if I followed the same proceedures that any other reporter does, what's the difference if it was read in a newspaper or on the web?

    Very few people believe all the read on the 'Net, for good reason. Similarly, very few people believe all they see on TV, as well, also for good reason.

    The whole concept of what "blogging" really is seems to a rather pointless debate. News can be reported in any format by any person, really -- the means doesn't make the difference. Teaching blog at a school just seems to me more or less showing students one way that a web site can be run, and not an exercise in some new "cutting-edge" journalism technique.

    Matt

  • by ObviousGuy ( 578567 ) <ObviousGuy@hotmail.com> on Thursday June 06, 2002 @11:41PM (#3657582) Homepage Journal
    I'm afraid that it was Chile's own middle class and a very radical right wing that drove the military coup that wiped out Allende. Certainly there was American support for the coup including weapons training, but it was at the Chileans' hands that Allende was killed, not America's.

    At the time America was in the midst of the Cold War and was actively supporting any regime that would renounce Communism. The policy was certainly wrong-headed in retrospect, but the cancerous growth of communism from Russian to China to SE Asia to America's shores was enough to put the US government on edge. Battling communism at its tendrils rather than at its heart was the easiest way of fighting it without waking the Russian giant.

    At this time, Russia too was supporting communist growth across the globe, funding and arming communist guerillas and armies.
  • by orpheus2k ( 166678 ) on Friday June 07, 2002 @01:03AM (#3657876)
    I find this quite interesting, especially considering the existing controversy over whether blogging, such as Slashdot, is real journalism or not. I still haven't made up my mind.

    That's an odd reminder to make; surely it's a settled matter for this audience. Consider whether you'd ask a Catholic monk if he thought Catholicism was "real religion." Of course, it isn't as weighty a domain, but in both cases it's about the concept being defined by the usage, rather opposed to the presupposition required of your point.

    Slashdot is no less authoritative than CNN and no more than a journalist's daily diary entires, if you let go the notion of a pure objective journalism. Each fulfills a need and an expectation that in the whole provides us with "journalism." Besides, isn't the "blog: is it or isn't it" debate only being conducted through the proxies of media conglomerates? Is a conservative professor going to change my mind about covering any topic I choose and taking advantage of available technology for delivery?

    Instead of providing a field for the self-preservation instincts of a AOL-TW, let's embrace the newly discovered (but always extant) complexities of journalism as a given.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 07, 2002 @02:42AM (#3658097)
    Coming from a country of linguistic puritans (Iceland), I think that it is vital for a language to have a committee of knowledgable people working to come up with new words to describe new things, instead of just accepting every new English term that comes along. That said, the native speakers usually decide amongst themselves if that word is a good addition/suggestion or not, just by using it or not!

    What's most important is to protect the overall feel and rythm of a language, and having good people dedicated to that cause is applaudable! Why aren't people as worried about languages becoming extinct [yourdictionary.com] as they are about animals?

    Regarding the word "blog", it seems to have made it into the Icelandic language, as we now have the verb to "blogga" and some people are known as "bloggari". And as far as I know, it only applies to personal blogs and bloggers... :) "Chat" on the other hand is useless as an Icelandic word, and we use "spjall" instead, which means chit-chat...
  • by blisspix ( 463180 ) on Friday June 07, 2002 @03:12AM (#3658148)
    I see this class as being more about exploring alternative avenues for freelancing then actually being about 'blogging' as a form of journalism.

    There is a decreasing number of jobs available full time on newspapers and in television as more media companies merge and cut staff, especially in rural areas.

    Hence, a need for journalists to become their own employer, and to create freelance opportunities.

    Journalists are also traditionally slow to adopt new technology, and have been particularly apprehensive about the Internet. The blogging class serves two purposes, to give them ideas, and also to show them ways to evaluate Internet information and use new technology.

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