Microsoft Opts-In Hotmail Users 704
medeii writes "East Side Journal reports that without telling anyone, Microsoft has suddenly changed the privacy preferences for all Hotmail users. They're now sharing your name and other personal information with third parties, even if you said you didn't want that when you signed up. (If you're a user, login, go to Options > Personal Profile, and un-check the boxes at the bottom of that page.)" The same reporter has written a follow-up article today.
Surprise! (Score:5, Insightful)
I mean, come on, this is Micro$oft we are talking about here... marketing, marketing, marketing!
Besides, Yahoo led the way, did they not? I would not be surprised to find out that Microsoft watched that whole Yahoo business very closely, and saw the complete lack of any outcry as a "green light" to go forward with this.
Trust. . . . (Score:3, Insightful)
they can spend all of the money that they want making their software better and better (hey, Win2K does indeed rock. Heh.
keep pissing people off and they will lose customers faster then 'software security audits' up to hell will gain them customers.
(oh yah, and not making each OS more and more bleeping 'beautified' would be nice as well, I swear, if I wanted a pretty-boy interface I would've bought a mac!)
::hopes somebody hurries up and forces McNeel software to port Rhino3d to other x86 platforms. Is willing to provide crowbar to volenteer 'encourages' if necessary::
Funny, (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Boycott Hotmail (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Notice (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Good strategy. (Score:5, Insightful)
For months they have been trying to get people to sign up with their Premium Email package which expands the mailbox to 10Mb and lasts forever (or something like that). People have not been signing up. It's simply too easy to create a brand new address when one fills up, so Microsoft then has to deal with 2 accounts (and so on and so on and so on) for each customer who has used up their allotted space.
Enter spam. If Microsoft can make it intolerable for ordinary users (non-Premier club members) to use Hotmail because the speed in which the account fills with spam is simply too fast, then they will push away those users who are not interested in paying for the service. Or they will attract the payers by making it intolerable to use the service otherwise.
Bottom line: They reduce the total traffic on their site by sloughing off the leeches (including yours truly), and increase revenue at the same time.
The idea is brilliant.
Re:Alternatives? (Score:2, Insightful)
Notice that I said "respectable."
Re:You think that's bad? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:You think that's bad? (Score:1, Insightful)
Of course, I don't like logging in only to find I have 120+ spam messages... f^ckers
Re:Surprise! (Score:2, Insightful)
Well, there's outcry and there's outcry.
I had been using Yahoo email for a long time, and was planning to pay for the service since it was useful. Because of their change, I sent a letter to Yahoo indicating why I would not pay for the service, and am now using a new address.
My yahoo address is still open, however, so I can catch the stragglers that haven't caught up yet. So from a superficial (number of users pov), yes, it appears that this didn't affect their business, but what you don't know is how many people like me changed their mind about paying for the service, or the trust that they had placed in Yahoo.
The future will tell if the same thing happens with Microsoft. I don't have a hotmail address because I knew better than to trust Microsoft, but a lot of people didn't. The question isn't really (like Yahoo) whether this will cost them hotmail addresses, but whether this will cost them $ in future service offerings like the larger mailboxes.
Always assume the worst (Score:4, Insightful)
Either don't give them any true or useful information or don't give them any information at all. Leave footprints like misspelling your own name in a very unique way. Track it and complain complain complain when you find them out. cc a copy of your complaint to your state attorney general's office.
Re:You think that's bad? (Score:4, Insightful)
So did they sell my info already? (Score:1, Insightful)
so there is no point in changing the settings back, is there.
The "proverbial" cat is out of the "proverbial" bag!
Re:and here's from mozilla (Score:2, Insightful)
First Name
Andrew
Your lastname contains a word or phrase that has been reserved or is prohibited for
registration. Please type a different lastname.
Last Name
Bugg
I am really glad i can't use my own damned last name with
A Bugg
!There is another explaination! (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:You think that's bad? (Score:2, Insightful)
Well, they weren't found guilty of trying to run Mozilla out of business, just Netscape. I'm sure they're sensitive to charges that they are deliberately breaking compatibility with Netscape. But they're free to crush everyone else.
Re:You think that's bad? (Score:3, Insightful)
If you got to Help, there a link at the bottom to send comments. Select "other" from there so that you can actually put in your comment.
Re:Other things I love about hotmail (Score:1, Insightful)
And yet, you keep using it. Now, ain't THAT nifty?
A simple solution (Score:1, Insightful)
For any form, even non electronic stuf when I'm not required by law to be truthful I *never* am.
Name, age, address, everything is wrong.
This way their databases are full of useless crap.
I still get to use the service and they'll never find out. If they do and they cancel it, I'll register again with more false info.
Actually it is a good idea to have multiple false accounts anyway. More backdoors for me, more junk for their hard disks.
Simple, hit them in the balls.
Re:You think that's bad? (Score:1, Insightful)
If it wasn't for
At least they can only have fake info, tho
Re:You think that's bad? (Score:2, Insightful)
Now this is a twist (Score:1, Insightful)
This proves to be a big mistake. After all, MS is wathing it's flock.
I am now locked out of Passport. Thats right, no hotmail, no profile access, nothing. Instead I get this...
"We are required by U.S. law to get your parent's permission before allowing you to continue to use Hotmail. We use Kids Passport to get your parent's permission so you can start using Hotmail right away. To get started, answer the question below.
And in a cute purple, pink, and yellow box it asks if my parents are with me, yes or no.
.NET Passport account. To provide your consent, follow these steps:
.NET Passport account, or register for a free .NET Passport and then sign in.
.NET Passport.
Saying yes takes me to this informative page.
Dear Parent,
A U.S. federal law requires Hotmail to get parental consent before it can collect personally identifiable information from your child. As a result, your child needs your consent to register for a
1 Sign in using your
2 Provide consent for your child to use Hotmail and
3 Verify you are an adult by providing a valid credit card number if you have not already done so. There is no charge for using this service.
They now consider me a child, and want my credit card number to prove otherwise. Believe it.
Anyone want to voluteer to be my parent and unlock my account? MS only needs your CC#
Fake Info! (Score:3, Insightful)
How hard is it to find a zip code!
Would you ever knowingly provide Bill with your details?
Re:You think that's bad? (Score:3, Insightful)
The worst part about IE being sloppy in what it accepts is that HTML authors who preview their page don't even get to find out that something is wrong.
damn that does kill the doctrine
"be generous in the data you accept but strict on the data you hand out"
It should be an option in IE to report all non-conforming HTML
Re:Legality in the UK (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Other things I love about hotmail (Score:3, Insightful)
...and how easy is it to set one up for those of us who own our own domain?
I've given out a couple of email addresses on my domain to family, but there's still no way they can configure passwords on their own. I saw a package which lets you run a yahoo-like web email service (skinnable interface, optional POP collection, etc) but that's £500 (and obviously I can't run it on a size-limited hosted webserver)
Plenty of us have got domains we can use, the question is whether it's possible (or easy) to use them for limited web-based email accounts.