Glimpses of the Future from the Intel Developer Forum 90
km790816 writes: "Lots of cool stuff on CNet about the Intel Developer Forum, including the next version of the P4, followed by 3GIO on the desktop (1st version 0.5 gigabytes per second of data-transfer capacity but bumps up to 1, 2, 4 and 8 gigabytes per second with the use of more wires.), and Intel's work to embed wireless in silicon. Quote from the CTO: 'We could get it to the point where radios are built into every product we make, giving every device seamless, roaming connectivity. You will see orders of magnitude of cost (decreases) through integration into silicon.'"
Re:Great timing (Score:3, Informative)
I have a strog doubt that we will ever see working DRM. If it were possible to use this kind of technique to control people we would be driving cars that were limited to the speed limit. The situation is the same, consumers will shy away from products in proportion to how limited they are, so the manufacturers will find ways to avoid such a plnalty on their products
A great example of this I was a few days ago was a bin of RCA Lyra MP3 players for sale cheap, and noone was touching them, they are a pain to own simple because of the hoops they make you jump through because of DRM, and there are other players that don't, so they win.
Another example is DVD players here in New Zealand. When DVD first came out we had a crappy region code, and noone was importing suitable disks (as well as the artificial delays imposed by the US, sorry I mean studios), so people 'had' to pay to get them chipped to non-region-coded, these days you have trouble buying a player that is not 'chipped' straight from the retailer, as they know they cann't sell ones without this 'feature'.
I see DRM as a cash grab from the studios, they need to be able to point at something and say 'see - we are trying to save ourselfs, not legistale us more money!', unfortunately that part of the ploy will probably work, makes you proud to pay your tax dollars! (grrr).
A pretty bad example... (Score:1)
Man, do you have your priorities mixed up. Driving faster than the speed limit can only kill people. Without DRM, though, the big record labels / movie studios could lose money!
Cheers
-b
The big question... (Score:2, Interesting)
"DDR or RAMBUS or ????"
Seriously... with Intel recently dumping RAMBUS (see slashdot article a few days ago) what would these new P4s use? I would imagine that this "hyper-threading" along with higher-than-ever clock speeds would make the memory bandwidth even more of an issue than it already is.
Will they go back to using RAMBUS?
Will they continue to choke the P4 with DDR?
Or...do they have something totally different in mind without telling us?
-kwishot
Dual channel DDR has the same bandwidth as Rambus (Score:2)
Re:Dual channel DDR has the same bandwidth as Ramb (Score:1)
There are some fragmented thoughts, anyone have a link to a well written article detailing the current state of the technology?
Re:The big question... (Score:1)
Re:The big question... (Score:1)
After that, there is NO rdram supporting chipset on Intel's roadmap.
So yes, Intel Have/is/are dumping Rambus.
Re:The big question... (Score:2)
Here is something to think about and something that the Slashdot community doesn't commonly consider (or so it seems)... Intel did not recently dump RAMBUS. Intel only recently announced its intentions toward RAMBUS. I work with Intel and the their largest customers closely. It was decided a long time ago that Intel was going with DDR, they just hadn't made public mention of it. That being the case, all you have to do is look at the test tools currently available for different computer busses. (To stay safe, I'll have to let you find them on your own. The web sites are there but I only know the ones that work with my company and I'm not about to reveal who that is.) Armed with that knowledge you can fairly easily deduce what features Brand Name computers will have 6-9 months down the road. (Now, keep in mind if the answer to your big question is ???? then you might not find out what that ???? until farther down the road.)
My point being, without divulging more information than I should, is DDR tools are very popular right now. RAMBUS tools are not. That should give you some clue what is down the road.
..and Linux in the government... (Score:2)
radio? (Score:1)
Radio? Gimme sattelite tv, radio is old news...
Re:radio? (Score:3, Funny)
AMD (Score:2, Interesting)
Hopefully AMD will really work on a compiler that take advantage of the new chip's strength. Maybe hire those SGI engineers?
I just hope we will still have a choice in the processor market a few years from now.
Re:AMD (Score:4, Insightful)
Sure it will. When the fastest Pentium 4 is 3GHz, the fastest Athlon is "2600+", and the fastest ClawHammer is "3400+", people will happily buy the ClawHammer and run Windows XP in 32-bit mode.
(Those numbers are made up; I'm too lazy to check the latest leaked roadmaps.)
Re:AMD (Score:1)
As to running 32 bit mode, thats just silly... there is no way anyone should/will cash out 3x more money for Hammer (or Intels Itanium for that matter) to run it 32 bit emulation mode that make it slower than AMD Duron
Re:AMD (Score:2)
Also, Hammer is supposed to give the same performance in 32-bit mode as in 64-bit mode.
Re:AMD (Score:4, Informative)
Re:AMD's not the real competitor. (Score:3, Interesting)
As for your assertion that the quality of Apple computers, the speed of the G5, and the quality of MacOS 10 somehow mean that they will thrive in the marketplace, you are both ignorant and naieve. Welcome to the MS dominated marketplace. Innovation, and the idea that quality breeds sales, died years ago, along with such quality OSs as BeOS, OS/2 Warp, DR-DOS, CP/M, and even earlier incarnations of MacOS. This industry has proven that the one dominant product, once entrenched, will remain the dominant product, no matter how innovative, high quality, or impressive the competition, no matter how shoddy the dominant product. In this case, I see the rise of Linux as a sign of the destructive force of MS. It takes an OS whose structure is as cancerous as a starfish, where you can cut off an arm, and that arm will grow into a whole new creature, whose economic model is as painful, where companies literally give away their products *and* the blueprints to those products, and whose longevity has already been proven, where Linux has been in development far longer than Windows 9x(I believe it was first released in '91, and I used a UMSDOS version of slackware in '95, and X was well on it's way by then) to even exist on the same platform, let alone thrive. Apple is a special case -- they were able to get a large portion of their user-base a long time ago, when Apple was popular. Many users stick with apple because it is indeed a superior platform for many applications, but new users are few and far between.
Basically, you sound like I did about a year ago, but I was talking excitedly about BeOS R5 for the x86 platform. Be was a reality check -- no single company can compete in this marketplace. A painful lesson, but very true. Learn this quickly, and you may not be as hurt when the next Apple flops commercially, like every non-MS operating product before it.
Re:Intel had done a good job so far... (Score:1)
I have heard, however, that it is possible to make saline breast implants that can be filled and deflated as desired, but the tubes would probably look a little funny when one was naked, so I don't think it's exactly a standard procedure
Great ... (Score:1)
LL
No Wires (Score:1)
On another note, with gigs per second of speed, imagine beaming TV shows between televisions and even from your TiVo to your PC... I can already see the lawsuits.
Radios in everything? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Take it from the hams... (Score:2)
Re:Radios in everything? (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Radios in everything? (Score:2)
wireless to your toaster.. (Score:4, Interesting)
One thing I am waiting for with wireless is some decent security functionality. What with the farce that is 802.11 and the proliferation of 'secure' data within companies I work with, wireless has become one of the major security threats.
The number of people I have found using RF keyboards/mice on computers in 'secure' areas, and not even believing that these can be snooped (which is quite trivial), then insisting that we have a 802.11 hub for their flashy new laptop, simply because it has that functionality built in.
I would love to see a standard developed for a plugable security model on top of these transports, so a 'suitable' level of protection can be installed for the situation.
Small devices could make security even worse (Score:2)
Re:Small devices could make security even worse (Score:1)
The mouse? Same thing. Try drawing any disney like artwork in the gimp and it'll lock up.
Re:wireless to your toaster.. (Score:1)
This exists. It's called IPSec [ietf.org] and there is no reason that it should not be running on all your wireless links. For pete's sake, there's even IPSec implementations for Palm OS and WinCE.
We don't need a new security protocol, we just need to implement and use the ones we have (IPSec, ssh, ssl) properly. I'd rather see wireless lan cards come out with 3DES, AES, RSA, SHA-1 etc. hardware acceleration (and open documentation) than yet an other wireless "security" protocol that hasn't been peer reviewed properly.
Re:wireless to your toaster.. (Score:2)
Unfortunately wrong, IPSec (which is great when it can be used ) IS OF NO USE ON NON-IP LINKS, or do you think that your radio keyboard uses IP? this is where the growing problem is, with radio, we gain new and uncotrolled public networks, many of which have ZERO security, authentication, etc.
Secondly, have you ever tried to maintain IPSec on some middle-managers laptop? it's hard enough keeping their virus count down.
We need protection at a lower level, which is what 802.11 tried (but failed) to provide. With the relative freeness of flash and embeded processors these days, it is ridiculous that they are still producing systems which are not software upgradable, and therefore allowing the chance to fix these problems.
How Secure is Bluetooth (Score:1)
I'm sure it can be as secure as it needs to be with another layer of security like a VPN, but as it stands today how secure is bluetooth. Could my laptop start using any printer in range, or sniff anything in the air ect? Could I listen in on the conversation of someone using a bluetooth headset on their mobile phone? If the devices work out of the box, it seems logical...
Re:How Secure is Bluetooth (Score:1)
I wouldnt bother with listening to phone conversations though; I'd dial up to check my email over their cellphone. Hey, maybe I could have my laptop act as an 802.11 base station and bridge out all wireless over the cellphones of people in BT range on the other antenna.
Banias? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Banias? (Score:2, Interesting)
This is the only blaring inacurracy. It is still related to the P4 core as it looks very much like a Northwood processor. I'd like to go into more detail, but I'll leave it at that.
Re:Banias? (Score:1)
Intel chips have have had HALT since the P54C (90/100Mhz Pentium) ?
Nice promises... (Score:1, Funny)
radios (Score:2)
while this is good for people who want to get their sports scores at 3 am while careening down the highway, it's not good for people who wish to place a private call without some agency knowing what house they are placing it from.
Your extramarital affair, your whistle-blowing telephone call, your obfuscation of whereaboutsa from your parents, etc. could all be negatively impacted by the predominance of radio-implanted devices. That's fine, just allow the option of devices that still allow privacy.
Intel and "the price of doing business" (Score:1)
Prescott? (Score:5, Interesting)
In the UK it means only one thing, and that is John Prescott [number-10.gov.uk] the deputy prime minister (roughly the equivalent of Dick Cheyney). By the admitidly low standard of politicians he is quite a character. He single handedly made the last general election interesting by punching a voter who was stupid enough to throw an egg at him (when choosing your egg target, don't choose one who used to earn spare cash by bare knuckle boxing!).
I can't decide if the phrase "Prescott PC" would be good for sales or not. I guess it might suggest a machine with a bit of punch!
Re:Prescott? (Score:2)
And I thought you folks were supposed to be so civilized over there.
"Our policemen don't even carry guns!" they say.
Huzzah!
Re:Prescott? (Score:1)
Re:Prescott? (Score:1)
Quite a few of them do actually..
airport police have taken to carrying MP5's around in recent months!
Meaning of latest intel codenames (Score:3, Interesting)
Well I found the background for the codename 'Banias' which ties into the mention that it's being developed in Israel. But I couldn't find a damn thing about the codename 'Prescott'. Anyone? Could it be really referring to the British deputy prime minister?
http://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,t269-s2085308,00. html [zdnet.co.uk] ...
Banias, formerly Caesarea Philippi, is the Arabic name for the Hellenistic city of Paneas whose name derives from Pan, the Greek god of herds and shepherds. His cult was observed in a large cave at the foot of Mount Hermon, where a source of the River Jordan emerges.
Pepperdine University has conducted digs in the area that have unearthed parts of a palace from Herod Agrippa II. Modern-day Banias is located in Israel, where the Intel design team for the new chip is based. The company typically codenames its chips after geographical features.
Re:Meaning of latest intel codenames (Score:2, Funny)
Re:No Wires (Score:1)
Re:No Wires (Score:1)
They will print them on 'electronic paper'. The chips in the spines won't turn them on unless the chip in your forhead indicates that you are an authorized reader.
Re:Prescott? (Score:1)
Wow, that's more like it. Perhaps AMD should name their next processor after him!
Next clock speed? (Score:1)
Re:Prescott? (Score:2)
Easy street for Joe Newbie? (Score:2)
How much simpler can installation get? You take out the plate, lightly shove the card into the slot and screw it in, then reboot windoze. /hour fee to install said pci card.
OTOH, there are plenty of users in this world who pay the teenager down the street $20 to install a new NIC or modem. Or, even worse, pay the local FutureShop (insert US equiv. here) $40 + a $50
One innovation I would like to see would be a total overhaul of the concept of installing a driver (mainly for Windows, although *nix would be nice too).
Basically, I envision a ROM chip on every card, containing a copy of the device driver. User A puts card B in slot C, boots Windows, driver D is auto installed from the chip without the user clicking a button.
This would be especially useful for those situations where Windows PnP loads the wrong driver for the device, or asks the user for a file located 7 directories deep on a floppy.
Of course, both of the above are of little to no use for the average /. user, but could be a godsend for Joe Newbie.
Re:Easy street for Joe Newbie? (Score:2)
Re:Easy street for Joe Newbie? (Score:1)
Simply, a quick, no fuss driver install is all that is needed. Ever look at the ATI driver cd discs? The Are soo bloat in Graphics, even since you're probably installing the cd's in 640x480 16 color.
Re:Prescott? (Score:1)
Yes, but there's no DRM (Score:1)
3GIO (Score:1)
Our company was no different. We were pushing to make Infiniband products just like everyone else, but when we finally had time to start working on one, the party had ended and everyone had gone home. Well, it looks like we should be gearing up for 3GIO soon...
Re:3GIO (Score:2)
The party isn't over either. A lot of big companies (Dell, IBM, Microsoft, HP, and Sun) still have IB on their mind. My company is enjoying lots of interest in our IB products. 3GIO solves some problems but it doesn't provide for host to host communication, and I/O device sharing. These are two really big plusses for InfiniBand.