Be Gear Up For Auction 169
Well, if you live near the Menlo Park, CA area you should join what's evidently a number of slashdot readers at the Be, Co. auction. With the merger and dissolution of Be, all of their remaining hardware/furniture will be up for auction.
Has anyone ever gotten something reasonably priced (Score:1)
Re:Has anyone ever gotten something reasonably pri (Score:1)
Anyway, I can't figure the attraction out....
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Ah, the firesale.... (Score:4, Informative)
But for Be, there might be an added sentimental value to items. Pick up the box that you once downloaded your favorite os from, that type of thing.
Either way, its a sad day that we have to witness a Be firesale.
Re:Ah, the firesale.... (Score:1)
Re:Ah, the firesale.... (Score:1)
That's also why there aren't many sites out there which are denying that BeOS will lose a lot of users (okay, already have). Some can still use it fine, but a lot of people were waiting for the next revision, which was (reportedly) going to finally have hardware OpenGL, and a lot of other things as well.
BeBox (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:BeBox (Score:2, Informative)
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Re:BeBox (Score:3, Informative)
At first, BeOS ran only on a platform called the BeBox. The BeBox was somewhat similar to a PowerMac, being a dual-processor PowerPC machine. The BeBox had these cool LED CPU load bar graphs on the front, and a port on the back called the GeekPort (a huge connector with all sorts of digital and analog I/O lines and other cool stuff).
Re:BeBox (Score:2)
Plus, everyone wanted them some years back when they were considered great perfomers, so now you get to own a piece of geek-lust history.
The orginal BeBox was a Dual PPC setup (Score:2)
Really it had 1st class hardware for its day.
Click here for specs (Score:5, Informative)
Here's a quote...
"...Be only made about 1,800 BeBoxes, I believe, and they are rapidly becoming collector's items, so you'll have to move fast. Be produced two models, which were identical in all but the processors. The first model was the Dual603-66, which was powered by two PowerPC 603 CPUs, each operating at 66Mhz. The second model was the Dual603-133, which had two PowerPC 603e CPUs. Each of these ran at 133Mhz, and in addition had twice the level 1 cache size of the CPUs in the Dual603-66. Both models of BeBox have been criticised for the lack of a level 2 cache, but it was a simple engineering choice: the MPC105 (the memory controller, bus arbitrator and PCI bridge) could either support a single CPU and a level 2 cache, or two CPUs. The performance gains due to a level 2 cache were vastly outweighed by the performance boost from a second CPU. The CPUs are soldered directly to the motherboard; one cannot swap them for faster (or, if you were perverse enough) slower processors.
The BeBox has some amazing features. Firstly, it has both the ISA and PCI busses which are so common in the x86 PC world. This means that one can plug any standard PC peripheral into it. It also has both ATA (IDE) and SCSI 2 disk interfaces, with an external SCSI 2 port. It has a standard AT keyboard interface, a standard PS/2 mouse port, four standard 9-pin RS232 serial ports, four MIDI ports (two in and two out, for two channels), two standard PC joystick ports and 16 bit sound line in and out through RCA phono plugs and stereo minijacks for a microphone and headphones. It also has some more strange IO abilities; three InfraRed ports (for IR device control, not IrDA) and something known as the "GeekPort".
Plus, the BeBox has one amazingly impressive feature that no other machine in the world has. On the front bezel of the BeBox, there are two bar graphs made of green lights. Each graph represents the amount of work each CPU is doing - you can tell at a glance whether the application you're running is taxing the machine's processors or not. As they say, "We don't understand the software, and sometimes we don't understand the hardware, but we can see the blinking lights!"..."
Re:Click here for specs (Score:1)
"Plus, the BeBox has one amazingly impressive feature that no other machine in the world has."
I know that IBM AS/400's had the little CPU meters on them. However, I don't know if they had them when the BeBox was being produced or if they still have them.
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That was a quote you nong (Score:2)
Re:Click here for specs (Score:1)
My IBM AS/400 and NetFinity's have those...
Re:Click here for specs (Score:2)
cpu load displays (Score:1)
The SGI Origin2K and Onyx2 Racks took it even longer, They had a systemcontroller (mmsc) with its own display, where you started and stopped the machine. It was nice looking at 64 CPU load bars in color. separating system,interrupt,user etc. SGI made a cheaper black and white mmsc for the origin/onyx 3000 series, so they was obviously too expensive, but cool.
Re:Click here for specs (Score:2)
Not exactly. You can tell at a glance whether the sum total of your application PLUS the operating system's processes, hardware interrupts, and any other background applications are taxing the machine's processors or not. At very quiet OS and hardware moments, the blinking lights will approximate your app's CPU usage.
Re:BeBox (Score:3, Interesting)
When PC's became more affordable and proliferated throughout the market, Be decided to stop making the BeBox.
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BeBox pictures [bebox.nu]
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-OctaneZ
Re: Thoughtport ISP in Columbia, MO (Score:2)
I wonder what ever happened to all of his stuff?
I know the ISP went out of business years ago - but he had a nice collection of Be equipment there.
Re: Thoughtport ISP in Columbia, MO (Score:1)
The most significant thing I remember about Thoughtport? They sucked ass.
Oh, and if anyone's going to this auction and wants to grab one of the BeBoxes for me, shoot me an email:
johnthorensenATcfswebmail.com
-John
Re: Thoughtport ISP in Columbia, MO (Score:2)
But yeah, I think the guy I met was named Leo. I only talked with him one time, because he was an acquaintance of a good friend of mine who was going to Mizzou.
Anyway, I didn't hear a whole lot positive about ThoughtPort - but I did get to tour his "facility". As I recall, it was all set up in some sort of mobile home/trailer home type of thing. It may not have been 100% Be, but it was pretty darn close. I think he had some sort of web camera pointed at a fish tank in the place, and that may have been a Windows-based Intel box. I'm almost positive he had web, news, and email running on all Be Boxes though. I'd never seen so much Be stuff in one place before, or after that.
will this include... (Score:4, Offtopic)
star trek desk calendars
paper clip art
nerf guns
frisbees
etc.
Re:will this include... (Score:2, Insightful)
*sigh* Okay, I'm going to repeat this one last time. Not all technology companies spent money on toys or provided extras. Be is a very clear example of a company that *did not* spend on such excesses.
Almost nothing was free at Be. No lunches, no soft drinks, no toys. NO fancy hardware. Most of the tech employees brought in equipment from home, because it was hard to requisition some kinds of equipment considered optional. When a component was needed, it was scavenged from non-working equipment.
There were some scooters, and probably some small "toys", but they were universally purchased by employees, who have since taken them home or on to new jobs.
I notice the original comment has been modded up as funny. You know, for many people watching an organization they were deeply committed to being disassembled, it's just, well, not funny. In this particular case, it's not funny, and it's not even close to true.
Somewhat Related (Score:4, Informative)
Uhh.. No. Jobs finished keynote - not even new PDA (Score:1)
where is the??? (Score:1)
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What about the code? (Score:3, Interesting)
Uh..... (Score:1)
Re:What about the code? (Score:2, Informative)
I emailed the auction company to find out if the items were going to also be auctioned online or just at the physical location. They haven't written me back yet...anybody here know?
Originally reported Dec 25 (Score:1)
Some of the pics have an interesting backdrop [arpagan.com] I wonder what trade secrets the chair hides.. LOL
Re:Originally reported Dec 25 (Score:2, Flamebait)
Whichever ones happened to be specifically blown right out their asses would be my guess.
Aeron Chair (Score:1)
Dotcom bust has really helped the Herman Miller company....
Re:Aeron Chair (Score:2)
Besides, doesn't change of ownership void any warrenty they have?
If you really want a chair.... (Score:2, Informative)
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The dot COM bust I'm sure has been a nightmare for them (in the same way as it's been for F5, Cisco, Nortel, etc.): Suddenly instead of the smaller market buying new, they're all buying used from .COM shops that went under (and, of course, Herman Miller doesn't include a "non-transferrable" license with their chairs... :-)).
What can you buy? (Score:1)
mo' money! (Score:1)
Slashdotted already? (Score:5, Funny)
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Wht a shame - I'd love a Be box! (Score:2)
Bringing Linux or NetBSD up on a Be would be a step cooler* than running on NeXT or tricked out Amiga hardware.
* yes, cooler is entirely subjective, insert comments about having a life, etc... But tell me you wouldn't want to at least test-drive a BeUNIX Beastie.
Re:Wht a shame - I'd love a Be box! (Score:1)
It's easy enough for me to go over and put a bid on a couple. I could practically walk there.
If there are people that are seriously interested, let me know. I suspect there will be more bidders on these boxen though. I don't care to make money on them, and I don't mind paying for them in advance, I just need to get an idea of what people would want to realistically pay for them.
Re:Wht a shame - I'd love a Be box! (Score:1)
I wouldn't think twice about dropping two grand on one. Maybe three if it's all in great shape and includes the nifty original packaging and such.
I'm sure others would pay more.
What, no Aeron chairs? (Score:2, Funny)
Re:What, no Aeron chairs? (Score:1)
"Uhh... we're consultants!" Yeah, like everybody and their momma, who can also get online and register YoMommaConsulting.com.
Going once, going twice, going thrice... (Score:1)
Auction (Score:2, Funny)
Ebonics? (Score:5, Funny)
When I first read the subject, my first thought was a badly phased title written in ebonics.
Re:Ebonics? (Score:1)
Yes, badly phased titles have been known to fall into temporal rifts and be lost in the inter-dimensional void.
And thanks to slashdot (Score:1)
I wonder if the auction itself is going to be as
Unfortunately, most of the stuff is just nothing-fancy standard office equipment. Be wasn't living the hi-life like the dotcoms. It's too bad they didn't make it.
Huge auction at Ebay. (Score:2, Troll)
Re:Huge auction at Ebay. (Score:1)
All the cool stuff will probably be gone by now (Score:4, Informative)
Who's job is it to make sure the remaining assets of the company make it to the auction? Ultimately the creditors are to lose (more).
Re:All the cool stuff will probably be gone by now (Score:2, Funny)
Mine. Please bring all your servers by my house before the auction. ANy unsuitable ones will be discarded.
Re:All the cool stuff will probably be gone by now (Score:1)
Not Stealing... just Backpay (Score:1)
Re:Not Stealing... just Backpay (Score:2)
It all depends on how much the information is worth...
Re:Not Stealing... just Backpay (Score:4, Funny)
What happened? Well, the liquidation company (employed by the court) realized that there was missing equipment right away. They rewound the security videotape for the building and ID'd the employees who'd walked out with equipment. The next day they called the police and had most of them arrested. IIRC, eleven of them were charged with felony grand theft, and quite a few more were charged with simple theft and burglary (a couple IT guys with keys came back the next day). Without fail, ALL of them offered to return the equipment, but they liquidator refused to drop the charges and everyone eventually plead no contest. Most of the employees were given fines and restitution FAR larger than the value of the equipment they took, a handful of the employees were put on probation, and two of the employees who re-entered the building were actually given brief jail stays (14 days IIRC).
All of the employees learned an unfortunate lesson about property rights and bankruptcy. You see, the moment the judge OK'd the bankruptcy and liquidation, the equipment became the legal property of the COURT with controllership assigned to the liquidator. The employees had an honest grievance with Company X, but they avenged that grievance by stealing from an entity that wasn't involved in it. Legally, it's the equivalent to stealing your neighbors TV because the guy down the street took $500 from your living room. There are legal ways to deal with the guy down the street, but you have no right to steal from someone else in return.
The ironic thing was that we were all paid within two weeks anyway, with a two month severance bonus to boot!
Das Blinken Lights (Score:1)
But really, why didn't Beos ever really catch on? Das blinken lights? But even Madonna used it on tour, I used it on my laptop, it had great multimedia infections.
Maybe they needed a cuter animal to mascot for them.
Re:Das Blinken Lights (Score:1)
Chicken? Egg?
Re:Das Blinken Lights (Score:1)
A little nostaligia for you (Score:5, Insightful)
For anyone drooling over the thought of a BeBox... (Score:2, Offtopic)
But you can get an almost-as-ancient Apple "Proforma" computer, and a Laserwriter II!
- A.P.
Re:For anyone drooling over the thought of a BeBox (Score:1)
http://www.arpagan.com/auctions/2002Jan16/pics/
Re:For anyone drooling over the thought of a BeBox (Score:2)
been there, done that (Score:1)
Copy of last BeOS for BeBox sought (Score:2)
Re:Copy of last BeOS for BeBox sought (Score:1)
Good Luck!
If you can't find it though I might be interested in purchasing that BeBox
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Re:It is a shame... (Score:1)
What about the domain name? (Score:2, Insightful)
I'm sure www.be.com [be.com] is worth some dough!
Re:What about the domain name? (Score:3, Funny)
http://let.it.be.com/
List of stuff, with pictures! (Score:1)
PS: if the link doesnt work then your browser isnt standards compliant.
Sad (Score:1)
It's really a shame they didn't make it (Score:5, Insightful)
Such a snappy OS. Everything is so amazingly responsive.
Then, I opened up a project I had been working on, an SNMP console. The APIs to the system were such a pleasure to use. Everything was an object, and every window ran in its own thread. Just from building the basic app template, you gained services and abilities that Mac, Windows, and Linux still don't have without a lot of inelegant effort.
If you love software development, as I do, the BeOS was a technological masterpiece in a world of mediocrity. Learning to develop for it was truly a joy that you'd have to experience to appreciate.
It really made me sad to think that all of that is now gone.
I played around with the interface one last time, then I rebooted into windows and wiped my BeOS partitions.
Very very sad.
Auction: Slashdotted. (Score:1)
I mean, beside the fact that everything will be more expensive now because of the many bids, as other readers, have pointed out, just imagine an auction, SLASHDOTTED.
The auction room packed with people, people waiting outside, people making constant HTTP GETs, sorry, that's requests for getting in, the auction becoming not so responsive etc.
Mirrors anyone?
fine print (I wish) (Score:1)
star trek desk calendars
paper clip art
One underappreciated O/S, incl. source.
nerf guns
frisbees
etc.
BeIA (Score:1)
We can also help you get a clean image of the internal SanDisk.
Thanks,
Chase
Don't Expect Much (Score:5, Informative)
First, I'd like to thank the Slashdot editors for publicizing this auction, thereby assuring that every item will be bid up well over retail by over-enthusiastic tourists, shutting out budget-minded unemployed guys like me. *sigh*
Oh well, there's probably a few things you should know about the stuff up for auction. First off is that Gassée ran a tight fiscal ship. As such, you aren't going to find Aeron chairs or 26" flat panel displays everywhere. Fact is, the standard developer workstation was a single processor Frankenbox in a generic beige ATX minitower, with a 16" (nominal) monitor and $5 keyboard. A typical RAM installation was 128M, with 64M also being common. So you're not going to see 21" Viewsonics in great numbers. Nor are you going to see 1.4GHz Athlon machines; just about everyone used 266-700MHz Pentium machines. The sound card of choice, when there was one at all, was an ISA-based Soundblaster descendant.
Second, towards the end, there were virtually no functional BeBoxes left. Even the internal build machine was decommissioned when PowerPC BeOS was internally deprecated, around the middle of 2001. Those that were left were used primarily as serial debugging terminals.
Third, there is a ton of junk at Be. Dead monitors, dead motherboards, dead hard drives, dead PCI cards, bad RAM, etc. We ran sutff into the ground there. At one point we had 18 dead monitors lined up in the hall (which were slated for a massive roof disposal, but I convinced management to have them recycled instead). We knew where all those piles of crud were, and to avoid them. If the last of the Be people didn't throw it out, I'm sure the auction people can't tell the difference, and will try and sell paperweights alongside the good stuff.
And fourth, the former employees got first crack at all the good stuff.
What all this basically means is that you can be sure that all the BeBoxes that are left are either broken or incomplete (or, in some instances, empty cases being used to hold up bookshelves).
As for the good stuff that remains, I call dibs on the 'scope and logic analyzer :-).
Schwab
Former employee of Be, Inc.
P.S: Whoever ends up with the espresso machine better take damn good care of it, or I'll come after your ass.
Re:Don't Expect Much (Score:2)
Thank-you. There's a couple pounds of lead [google.com] in computer monitors. One hardly needs that going into the landfills.
[HTML version of PDF provided courtesy Google.]
Re:Don't Expect Much (Score:1)
I think thats the reason Be Inc failed, if a video of 14 monitors flying of the roof was included in BeOS r5PRO I think many many more copys would of been sold.
mlk, (see sig...)
Recycling vs. Roof-Disposal (Score:2)
Believe it or not, I actually thought about doing it that way.
Then I looked at the array of monitors lining the hall, and imagined the huge pile of shattered plastic and glass they would become post-roof disposal. Cleaning up just four monitors was a real hassle. Cleaning up 18 would have taken hours. Plus, there was a significant probability that, as the impact zone became a non-flat heap of monitor debris, one of them would have taken a bad bounce and gone sailing through the windows of the Chuck E. Schwab office on the ground floor.
Further, recycling a monitor isn't as simple as recycling an aluminium can. Careful disassembly is required. Sometimes the monitor can be brought back to life by replacing a bad component (in which case, roof-disposing it was a horrible waste).
So, while it would have been a magnificent sight -- and, honestly, if David Letterman had asked us to do it, I would have agreed -- I just couldn't see releasing that much toxic material into the local environment. I knew I sure as hell didn't want to clean it up.
Schwab
Re:Don't Expect Much (Score:2, Informative)
For those who didn't quite get the ``roof" reference:
http://cibo.dhs.org/hold/movies/clips.zip [dhs.org]
They included these clips (since R4.5), and other sundry pieces of media on every BeOS CD sold, including tribute songs:
http://cibo.dhs.org/hold/sound/songs.zip [dhs.org]
It was truly a special thing to be a part of (even if your part was miniscule).
Imagine! (Score:1, Insightful)
Goodbye Be (Score:1)
i wonder if... (Score:1)
However buys it (or the iMac [arpagan.com]), please replay...
I wish I have the cash for a BeBox [arpagan.com].
mlk
wonder.. (Score:2)
Hopefully someone will buy a couple of the desktop pc's and find out that they have tons of sourcecode to BeOS.. hehe.. I wish..
Re:I'm bitter about apple (Score:1, Offtopic)
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Re:Hrrrmmm... (Score:1)