Evolution 1.0 Released 425
jdavidb writes: "I pulled up the Ximian redcarpet updater this morning and discovered that Evolution 1.0 is finally available! Now Outlook can start facing some serious competition, although there's still a long way to go. (Evolution does not yet emulate all the Outlook viruses, of course, nor does it integrate with Exchange Server.)" Here's Ximian's full announcement. Update: 12/03 14:59 GMT by T : Nat Friedman of Ximian points out that they're offering a software extension which does allow integration with Exchange 2000. There's good story on the new iteration of Evolution at NewsForge, too.
Cool, but... (Score:3, Interesting)
I'm using Evolution and Mutt as my primary mail clients now (I used to only use Mutt, but I forced myself into Evo so I could help with testing and bug reports). Evo is a very impressive application and I hope people who need such a tool will like it.
However, I don't need or want such a tool. I just want a mail client that logs into my IMAP server, reads and sends mail. That's it. Integrated {contact manager,calendar,task manager,whatever} is cool, but I don't want it. I need something that does a thing, and it does it well, and I hope that other mail(-only) clients will raise to the standard set by Evolution (so far only Mulberry was good enough but it's neither free or open source, and there are a couple things I don't like about it either).
Again, this isn't groupware (Score:5, Interesting)
Also, we actually have a client side application for Linux and Windows that is working. (Buggy, but works) Its still under heavy development, but it pretty easy to plug into. A more portable version is in the works.
Anyway, so people would stop asking me about it, please, email there development team and ask them to talk to the phpGroupWare guys about creating an XML-RPC or SOAP interface. I think these 2 projects would go hand and hand nicely.
So, for those complaining about the lack of an "exchange server" enviroment, something is there, just not being used.
Re:NOT FREE SOFTWARE - so what? (Score:2, Interesting)
Why are you asking us to?
Yes, some free software fanatics read Slashdot, but there are also a lot of us who think that free (in both senses) software and non-free can co-exist. In fact, I believe Ximian's strategy is the most sensible for new generation software companies - give away the basic product, sell the add-ons.
haha (Score:2, Interesting)
Ximian and Distribution upgrades. (Score:2, Interesting)
Ximian is great, except for one little detail, which prevents me to recommend it. From what I gathered in the monkey talk chat room and elsewhere is that once you install Ximian, you are mostly stuck with the current version of your distribution.
For instance, Ximian and Red Hat 7.1. Red carpet does not allow (at least I have not found any links) to upgrade to Red Hat 7.2. I was told that one must uninstall Ximian Gnome before upgrading to RH 7.2. That is not very user friendly. BTW, how does one uninstall Ximian Gnome? Anybody have the receipe for upgrading a system with Ximian installed? An easy receipe BTW? (Not manually identify and manually remove each rpms for instance).
This system upgrade is the one serious piece missing, which for the moment prevents me to recommend Ximian to others. And by ricochet, I cannot recommend Ximian's Evolution.
Sincerely,
Hans Deragon
Offshoots (Score:3, Interesting)
In the same way that the Mozilla code base has been hacked - in a generally reductionist way - to produce the much-improved Galeon and promising K-Meleon, I feel that Evolution could benefit from the same process.
Offers, anyone? Im a little busy right now.....
RPM Dependencies, KDE, & Pilot-link... (Score:3, Interesting)
Evolution wanted one version of pilot-link, and KDE PIM wanted another...but the packages are mutually exclusive (a rarity, but it happened).
Can this be forced & patched with a simlink?
Personally, I prefer Evolution to KDE PIM, but I'm looking after a few different computers and want to leave the option of what one to choose up to the user. For now, Evolution wins so KDE PIM gets yanked though it would be nice not to have to pick and choose.
Re:Windows port? (Score:2, Interesting)
Some of us don't have 1GHz/256MB computers.
Runs fine on my P166/128MB computer. For that matter, I've also got it running on a P233 with 48MB, but it's sloooow there.
Exchange users will pay more... (Score:4, Interesting)
If we wanted to move to Evolution we'd still have to pay the same amount, and then have to pay for the Exchange connector on top of it. The price just went up $70/user to move to Evolution. I can't seem to locate my quote for our Exchange migration here, but a quick check shows a 5 user client access pack for Exchange is about $350...so the price per user just doubled.
I'll pay it... I've been waiting for this since Evolution was first announced. Every LinuxWorld I ask them about Exchange support so it's nice to see it coming soon. But, it will be harder for someone else to do a mass migration.
Something to consider.... I hope it works for them. I see Ximian as a company that needs to stick around for the Linux desktop to really take off.
Re:Proprietary Exchange-support to follow (Score:5, Interesting)
Hey, I'd much rather see Ximian alive than dead and if Evolution works reasonably well on Solaris (haven't gotten around to trying it) I'm sure my wife will be in line to pay $69 to be rid of that godawful web interface to Exchange. But it seems like it might be worth mentioning that Free/Open Source software poster boy Miguel de Icaza is now in the proprietary software business. I can't help noticing that he's making himself scarce and letting Nat answer the phone...
Re:Ximian Connector (Score:5, Interesting)
Isn't Ximian done by Miguel de Icaza?
(Below this is trolling/flamebait/whatever)
Isn't he the guy who started Gnome because he was pissed off at the proprietary nature of KDE/QT? How do we reconcile the two? Oh, because Miguel sees proprietary as okay if Miguel gets the money?
Re:are they eating their own dogfood (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:serious competition for outlook? (Score:3, Interesting)
So this is kind of a win for Linux the desktop and a loss for Linux the server.