Portable Mini-CD MP3 Player / Burner 180
An Anonymous Coward writes: "Here is a neat new toy. It is an MP3/CD portable that not only plays music files, it burns them. Called the RipGO, it was just released by Imation and runs about $400. The article includes a photo of the player."
Heh, And iPod naysayers... (Score:2)
Really? (Score:2, Insightful)
It burns mini CDs... (Score:4, Interesting)
not-really - i use a lathe (Score:2, Funny)
Re:It burns mini CDs... (Score:1, Funny)
Re:It burns mini CDs... (Score:1)
Re:It burns mini CDs... (Score:2)
I've seen mini-CDR media at Fry's Electronics. It's not fantastic stuff, but it is available.
But for $400, as cool as the small form factor is, I really don't need it to burn CD-Rs for me. For $400, I'll buy a CD-RW and use the money left over for a full-size (650M/disc) player-only portable unit.
Big question left unanswered in the review: Do you rip/encode/burn the MP3s with some grotty proprietary DRM-hobbled application that ships with the device, or do you actually just shovel MP3s onto it like you would a regular CD-R?
Re:It burns mini CDs... (Score:2)
Re:It burns mini CDs... (Score:1)
Re:It burns mini CDs... (Score:1)
here's a site with media for sale [ioproducts.com] ranging from $0.79 each (100 on a spindle for $79) to $1.09 each in jewel cases (pack of 5 for $10.90).
Re:It burns mini CDs... (Score:3, Insightful)
Hmmm... Regular 700MB CDR costs about $20.00/100 (or free, if you can find a good enough rebate). A MP3 CDrom player costs around $99.00 at BestBuy [bestbuy.com] and a decent CDRW Drive costs about the same [bestbuy.com] at the same place.
Sure, this new toy is possibly more convenient, but not $200 convenient, especially when you figure in a higher 'cost of ownership' per MB of storage.
Sorry, please play again.
Re:It burns mini CDs... (Score:1)
On a side note, the band Bullfrog [gobullfrog.com] has released three singles on this media.
OT: Kid Koala vs Bullfrog (Score:1, Offtopic)
I've been trying to figure out where that sample comes from: "However, as a beginner, it's often best to just kill everyone as fast as you can with the pump action"
And now that we have halloween, the Charlie Brown sample "I got a rock!" is cool.
I am aware that Kid Koala is more Nija Tune than Bullfrog in general, but I thought perhaps you might know.
Re:It burns mini CDs... (Score:2)
I can buy mini-cd blanks almost anywhere... Sony forced them into the market by making that damned Digital camera that burns the mini-CD's.
Yes they cost about a buck a CD right now (a far cry from my $0.19 a cd for standard CD-R blanks.) but are neat.
Obligitory MiniDisc Plug (Score:2, Interesting)
I love the MD!
I have an MD, I like it, but.... (Score:2)
Re:It burns mini CDs... (Score:1)
RIAA will have their panties in a bunch over this! (Score:2, Interesting)
No doubt the morons at the RIAA will complain that this device violates the DMCA, but in reality it will encourage people to buy CDs, because they will listen to the music in very low quality MP3 format, and later on they will buy the genuine CD, to get the extra sound quality.
I just hope these guys stay under the RIAA's radar.
Re:RIAA will have their panties in a bunch over th (Score:1)
Vinyl is the way to go anyway....
Re:RIAA will have their panties in a bunch over th (Score:1)
The best audio format would be some kind of analog laser disc, which would combine the indestructability of the CD with the analog 'warmth and humanity' of vinyl.
Mind you, looks like the dumb consumer has spoken. I cannot remember the last time I saw a mainstream release (apart from dance music) come out on vinyl. I think vinyl is all but dead.
SACD seems to be the latest pretender to the vinyl throne, but with players costing over $1000 I think they make take time to catch on.
Re:RIAA will have their panties in a bunch over th (Score:1)
Re:RIAA will have their panties in a bunch over th (Score:1)
The interface to the PC is USB. How long would it really take to rip and encode a CD, transfer it to your RipGo via USB and burn a miniCDR? I'm guessing it would take quite a bit longer than a couple hours to rip/encode/transfer/burn $400 worth of CDs.
Re:RIAA will have their panties in a bunch over th (Score:1)
My guess is that it would take a couple of days, non stop. And $400 worth of CDs hardly qualifies as a collection.
Sounds like it has potential (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Sounds like it has potential (Score:1, Flamebait)
Re:Sounds like it has potential (Score:1)
Jeeze, why not trot out some more tangentially related to bash Apple with?
Product is a piece of crap:
1. Can't play miniCD format in your car changer.
2. Hooking it up to stereo negates purpose of putting the music bytes onto plastic CD bits.
3. Using USB mass storage is like Chinese water torture.
4. RipGo requires special fruity colored and $10 ea. media.
5. Add another brick to the powerstrip Ma! Is not bus powered.
Links:
http://www.tomshardware.com/technews/technews-2
http://www.imation.com/en_US/products/product_g
Re:Sounds like it has potential (Score:2)
1. Can't play miniCD format in your car changer
...you most certainly can! a miniCD can be played using a full-size adapter in ANY (read: ANY) CD player, be it tray-loading, slot-loading, or magazine-loading.
4. RipGo requires special fruity colored and $10 ea. media
...not so. Memorex sells miniCD's in 5 packs for $10, and in 50-packs for $35. That's to say nothing of the prices to be found on Pricewatch.
185MB *each* is plenty... (Score:1)
and considering the cost of CD-Rs these days, CD-RWs seem more and more needless.
Cool gadget (Score:1)
Re:Cool gadget (Score:1)
I bought a MD recorder for live recording. I would much rather have something that I could pop into my CD-ROM drive rather than having to record it from my MD to my PC in real time. At the time, I looked all over the net for a portable standalone CD-R with mic input. A bit too late for me, I suppose...
Re:Cool gadget (Score:1)
As written in the FAQ you so pointed to, the MD ATRAC format does not support data unless you use the MD-10 with a SCSI interface.
That was the point I was making. It does not reproduce the audio fidelity digitally. It simply stores an analog input in a digital format. What you get out is not necessarily what you put in.
I'm Not Impressed, Really... ;-) (Score:1, Flamebait)
Bah, I'd rather have the iPod... (Score:2, Insightful)
And this is better than iPod, how? (Score:5, Insightful)
Posts lauding a mini-CD-burning 160MB player that does... Oh, wait, that's all it does. For $400US...
I'll gladly take an iPod, thanks... And thanks to the Firewire Disk mode, I can write it off as capital equipment that I can use while consulting... Tax writeoff = free... Wait, I guess I could do that with this teeny CD burner, too... Or is it MP3 only?
Re:And this is better than iPod, how? (Score:2)
The unit is not limited to digital music files, allowing it to simultaneously serve as a backup unit for your PC
That makes it a bit handier for the techie-on-the-go, as Firewire is nowhere near as ubiquitous as USB, and these CD's should play in anything. Wonder if you can burn a (small) ISO or other bootable CD on 'em?
Re:And this is better than iPod, how? (Score:2)
Re:And this is better than iPod, how? (Score:2)
iPod = $399 + Apple PC (Score:2)
"The problem is..." (Score:2)
True, and no doubt Apple knows this is a downer. This and the price makes it obvious they're currently selling the iPod as a Mac peripheral, rather than a general-purpose MP3 player.
However, I expect Apple will: (1) bring down the price on the device after a few months, (2) develop and/or partner for non-Apple compatability for the device. If people like it, no doubt third-party attachments for non-FireWire computers will become available. The FireWire is one of the best features about the iPod, though, so I don't expect that to ever go away.
Just my thoughts. Sony sells all their portables with Memory Stick compatability; Apple sells for Mac compatability; Microsoft sells for Windows compatability. It's normal for the industry to at least *start* with closed compatability and open it as time goes on. Smaller companies benefit from open technologies, like MP3 CDs, because they don't have to develop as much.
But as has been said, Apple is profitable *because* they target a niche audience, and the only reason to complain that they're focusing on that niche is if you aren't yet part of it. So I'd expect the iPod price drop and wider compatability to arrive at about the same time. Best thing you ("you" meaning "all Slashdot's readers") can do to hasten that process: WRITE APPLE AND TELL THEM YOU WANT LINUX COMPATABILITY. It's got to be easier than Microsoft compatability, right?
Re:"The problem is..." (Score:2)
It half makes sense, but many of Sony's products that are memory stick compatible are still usable even if you never own a memory stick as long as you live.
I wouldn't own a Macintosh (space+money mean the 5 PCs I own and use for business must stay), but I would own an iPod. But I can't because I'm not buying a $900 computer to own a $400 MP3 player.
Re:iPod = $399 + Apple PC (Score:2)
Bzzzt. Apple is selling it that way, but that doesn't mean that's the way it is. Wait 'til they ship, then we'll know whether you're kneejerking or on to something.
Re:iPod = $399 + Apple PC (Score:2)
They also say it's a regular Firewire hard drive. No iTunes necessary to use it as such. It's entirely possible, whether they say so or not, that it just does the Right Thing with any media files stored on it (it's also possible it's proprietary and broken). Until the units are shipping, or people start really exploring their 'review' units, we don't know.
It''s entirely possible that you're right, but web page blurbs are not the way to know.
Not a tax writeoff (Score:1)
Disclaimer: I am not a CPA but I do have an accounting degree and I've spent several years as a professional tax preparer working in a CPA's office.
Re:And this is better than iPod, how? (Score:2)
I think this burner is supposed to transfer any type of file, not just mp3s.
Re:And this is better than iPod, how? (Score:1)
Usefulness? (Score:1)
Is anyone else reminded of the Kodak Digital Camera/MP3 Player? Granted, this thing has more features for the same purpose now, but...
Sony (Score:4, Informative)
And their's is only $250.
Durability? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Durability? (Score:1)
That's why you buy the no-questions-asked "extended warranty" from the retailer for another 20 or 30 bucks. You're right, something like can become trash with one little mishap.
My rule of thumb: never get the extended warranty on something that's going to sit on a shelf all it's life. Do get it if what you're buying is small, expensive and meant to be carried around, because eventually you'll probably drop it.
Then again, maybe I'm just clumsy...
i'll wait until the reviews come out, thanks (Score:2, Interesting)
i hate thinking, "this would have been so cool had they taken another four days to design it!"
Does it work with Win2k? (Score:1)
So let's get this straight... It doesn't work with Windows 95. Nor does it work with NT. Win2k is based on NT. So I guess you need Win98, or ME. Ick.
Re:Does it work with Win2k? (Score:2, Interesting)
You'd know the answer to this... (Score:2, Funny)
It's USB. Win95 or WinNT can't deal with USB in any reasonable fashion. Win2K supports USB just fine.
Y'know, WinME was based on Win98 was based on Win95, so, by process of elimination, it looks like it'll only work on Macs.
PhilMills
-Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, will be taken out of context and posted on
Yep. (Score:3, Informative)
I imagine that they disqualify 98 and NT because neither of those have USB support. Any Windows released after '98 should have the requisite USB support (that includes Windows 98 and Win2K).
Of course USB is dog slow for this kind of product. For the same amount of scratch you can get an iPod with a five gig capacity and FireWire connectivity. Just my $0.02.
Correction! (Score:2)
I meant "Any Windows released after '95..."
I knew that "preview" button was there for a reason!
Re:Does it work with Win2k? (Score:1)
According to the article, it uses USB to connect to the computer. I would guess that is the reason why it doesn't work with NT and 95. USB support with Win95OSR2 is pretty horrible and it is nonexistant with other revisions.
In Conclusion, Win2000 is supported. I'm 98% certain.
Prove me wrong.
Compatibility? (Score:4, Funny)
So, it only works on XP and WFW 3.11?
Re:Compatibility? (Score:1)
Ha, that's funny. Wish I could mod you up. But wait, isn't XP just a collection of bug fixes on 95 and added NTFS support?
Not really (Score:1)
Re:Compatibility? (Score:1)
Re:Compatibility? (Score:2)
INteresting "target audience" (Score:1)
I wonder how the RIAA feels about a company marketing to those damned illegal Traders.
It's weakness is USB (Score:3, Informative)
It seems like devices like this would benefit a ton from firewire. USB 1.0 works great for mice and printers and other low bandwidth devices but in my experiences, it seems too slow for transferring large amounts of data.
That being said, I have noticed that my Sony PIII 650 MHz laptop running WinME is quicker than my Athlon at 550 MHz running Win2k, so maybe chipset or OS has more to do with it than anything.
Re:It's weakness is USB (Score:3, Informative)
Re:It's weakness is USB (Score:1)
Out of curiosity when did Sony start making PIIIs?
Sorry had to...
Oh and here is the url for the Imation site...
http://www.imation.com/en_US/products/product_g
But what if... (Score:2)
I guess if they make it burn slow enough for USB to keep up. I don't think USB 1.0 can keep up with 16x burn speeds can it?
Call me impatient, but when I burn CDs I don't want to wait. 4x doesn't cut it. Granted, when I'm burning I'm usually not making audio cds that might be worth listening but instead I'm backing up data from a webserver. Maybe I'd be more patient if it were something fun like audio cds.
Re:It's weakness is USB (Score:1)
Re:It's weakness is USB (Score:2)
Fragility and Utility (Score:5, Interesting)
Second thing, related to the first. Who makes it? Assuming IMation has OEM'd the thing out, who did the fab? I would suspect the thing is far from durable.
Third thing, I have seen mini CDR media but no mini CDRW. Who wants to backup their stuff onto a 180MB mini CDR? I mean once in a while its cool, but if you can't use your CDR to back up CDs, whats the point? The mini media is nice, but a mini burner that wont take fullsize media at all is useless IMHO.
Fourth thing, its $400. That's enough for an NJB($220), a RioVolt 90 ($89, for when the NJB breaks) and an internal CDR for your computer ($89).
Based on point four - what advantage does this thing really have over the NJB+Riovolt+CDR-in-your-computer? And if you don't have room in your computer for a CDR, and you're gonna buy this contraption, could you not just buy a USB CDRW and a Riovolt for less? Of course you could. And that way you're not banging your CDR drive around.
Seems like a silly idea to me. Now if only it had restrictive rights management!
Re:Fragility and Utility (Score:1)
Re:Fragility and Utility (Score:1)
Re:Fragility and Utility (Score:2)
However, while I am without a job, the US$400 price tag is way out of my budget.
Go see one in person. (Score:2)
I guess the only question is (Score:1)
Does it play *real* mp3s, or crippled mp3s? It's my opinion that the players that force proprietary encryption on mp3 files in order to work shouldn't get to advertise as "mp3 players," because, in reality, they aren't.
But then, what am I going to do about it besides rant on /.?
Archos 6gb Recording Drive (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Archos 6gb Recording Drive (Score:1)
Re:Archos 6gb Recording Drive (Score:1)
Uhh... (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Uhh... (Score:1)
Because MDs (no matter how many times you reburn them) are limited to use in MD players.
Re:Uhh... (Score:2)
What I want is an all-inclusive Minidisc setup. I want a device that plays MP3, lets me xfer data, can record voice through a mic, and has a decent video stillcam. It needs a car audio interface, so I can slam it in the dash and play MP3. It needs a home stereo interface, so I can slam it in and play MP3. It needs a computer interface, so I can slam it in and record MP3 and xfer out the voice recordings, data, and images.
If it had a bit of PDA in it, so much the better. If it also had a reliable but slow and common connection, good: I can then stuff it onto any computer and xfer data.
Re:Uhh... (Score:1)
Someone show me a decent MP3 player (Score:3, Insightful)
All I want is a decent MP3 player. I want one that supports some sort of smart media card, supports at least 128MB, and has USB. And most importantly, doesn't cost $400! Is that too much to ask? The Diamond Rio 500 came closest to that, but of course it's not made anymore (and cost too much anyway). Instead, SonicBlue produces the vastly inferior Rio 600 or the way over-priced 800. If I can buy a camcorder for $300, a freaking MP3 player oughta be under $100.
I don't need a built-in CD player (that's why I have MP3's fer crissakes!) I don't need a built-in hard drive. I don't need a goddamn built-in toaster oven. I just want a little MP3 player that holds more than 5 songs that I can stick in my pocket when I go for a walk. I certainly don't need to put my entire MP3 collection on it all at once.
Let's see a cheap MP3 player that does one thing exceptionally well, instead of an overpriced MP3 player that does half a dozen things poorly.
Re:Someone show me a decent MP3 player (Score:2, Insightful)
1. solid state!
2. lightweight: 3 oz
3. small size: 0.6x3.5x2.4"
4. 13 hour battery life on a single AA
5. 192 MB!
Sure I can't store my whole collection on it, but I can fit 2.5 hours using VBR or 3+ hours at 128 kbps. That's more than adequate for most uses and doesn't require any screwing around with CDRs or Minidiscs.
As far as the RipGo goes, are they on crack? It's a cool device, but at $400 I'll pass. Recording abilities or not, this thing is way overpriced... since most users don't need recording, they should come out with a player-only unit similar in price to the RIO-Volt.
How about this one? 128MB, palm-sized, $135. (Score:2)
Re:Someone show me a decent MP3 player (Score:1)
Collecting karma with the same post in different threads! Ingenious!
Re:Someone show me a decent MP3 player (Score:1)
Where's the mic input!? (Score:4, Informative)
I know, minidisc does it already, but minidisc players don't have digital output for PC post-production work and actually doesn't sound as good as plain old WAV files.
If this had a mic input, you could burn directly to MP3 and have 6 hours of digital recording - 6 times that of a minidisc.
If the iPod had a mic input, you could burn 10 hours of uncompressed audio or 100 hours of MP3s. Portable 2 track recording studio!
Almost the same thing (Score:1)
Get the small player and a regular CD-R drive that writes both large and small CDs and you save $100 and get a faster burner to boot.
Ugh. (Score:2)
Who buys a $400 walkman? They're too small and fragile and easily stolen, not to mention outdated fairly quickly by the next "big thing."
Besides, I'd rather have a burner where I can use it most efficiently - at home, attached to my RAID, where my 4,000+ MP3s are!
Wow.. Taco is freelancing... (Score:1, Offtopic)
Battery Life? (Score:1)
Re:Crap... (Score:2)
The difference is mini-cds can be played in a regular CD player too. Ever noticed the indention in the middle of a CD player's tray? That's for a mini-CD. Minidisc is proprietary and requires you use a Sony licensed player.
Re:long play minidisc's (Score:1)
Sony is not the only source for minidisc recorders. sharp is another big supplier.
Re:long play minidisc's (Score:1)
Thank you for correcting me on the Sony thing though. I do appreciate a level-headed correction.
Re:long play minidisc's (Score:2)
The similarity is that both are proprietary standards.
See:
http://www.mp3licensing.com/help/developer.html
I want to support mp3/mp3PRO in my products. Do I need a license? YES
I have my own/third party mp3 software. Do I need a license? YES
Do I need a license to stream mp3/mp3PRO encoded content over the Internet? YES
Do I need a license to distribute mp3/mp3PRO encoded content? YES
Time to read up on http://www.vorbis.org/ and support them instead.
--jeff
Re:Crap... (Score:2)
It's not as if Sony is forcing you to use a Sony Player/Recorder.. far from it... there Panasonic/JVC/Awia/Sharp minidisc players/recorders.. if Sony was really evil, they'd start saying that you couldn't play minidiscs correctly because you don't have Sony MiniDisc Explorer 6.. err..
Format is Sony's, though (Score:2)
Re:Crap... (Score:2)
My car has a slot-load CD player. Guess that's not "regular"....
Re:Crap... (Score:2)
Re:Crap... (Score:1)