More Links And Reports On Terrorist Attacks 1056
Two major news updates: the plane downed near Pittsburgh is reported not to have been shot down. A fifth plane which had been feared hijacked, this one a Korean Air jetliner, was forced down by Canadian Air Force planes over the Yukon. However, this plane is reported not to have been hijacked -- instead, its emergency beacon was triggered by a low-fuel indicator.
Importantly -- remember, blood is in demand. The Red Cross' site is mobbed, but here's the blood donation information on a the cached page at google.
More details of the attack and its aftermath: a report at at gnome.org, and a photo at indymedia.org. pajama links to NYC Police scanner traffic (winamp) streamed online, and an anonymous reader also points to another scanner feed.
Shadowwalker Delaforge writes "Hey guys: I'm submitting my web site to yours to get the word out. I've been compiling web sites, and info on the U.S. Attack. These sites are ones that work, and arent' swamped out of existence. I'm also adding new data about where people can donate money, blood, and other things dealing with this.
soccerdad writes "Due to the activities of today, the internet/networking experts at my firm have been asked by some of our clients to be on standby in case anything untoward occurs. They've been monitoring backbone activity, etc., in a "just in case" mode. They've described the activity they're seeing as somewhat strange. The backbone is, according to them, at about 80% utilization -- they've never seen it above 40% before. However, the main portal sites such as Yahoo aren't having substantively higher than normal traffic. They're working on doing some traffic analysis but haven't completed that effort yet."
A small piece of that bandwidth may be saved if you go to the link Kalak suggests: "William Shunn is collecting short notes from people in the terrorist affected areas so you can see who is OK." Look here (or post your name here if you're in an affected city) before tying up a phone connection. Alex Fabrikant submitted another personal information site at Berkeley
Thapthim writes "http://cbc.ca/ has all sorts of information, even in our own city buildings are being shutdown, all air traffic has been suspended. However Canadian Airports are taking in international flights heading into US so the air ports there are free for emergencies."
sn0wcrsh wrote to say that a "short blurb on Channel 7 Boston that the CTO of Akamai was on the fateful plane that hit the trade center" confirms the earlier reports that he was on board.
And ectrix writes: "The CFO of my company, Netegrity was on United Airlines Flight 175, which has been confirmed to us by United Airlines to have hit tower two of the WTC.
WAVY NBC - Norfolk, VA (among other local TV stations I'm sure) is reporting on the air the Threatcon levels at the area Naval, Air Force, and Army bases. They are all at Threatcon Delta. Their website currently only lists their status as of the beginning of the attacks, which was Threatcon Charlie. Norfolk, VA is the home port for the US Atlantic Fleet. Local TV stations also are showing armed (M16s, shotguns) guards patrolling the base grounds and perimeters."
There are updated photos and videos here, and CarbonFusion wrote with another good link to photos and videos.. eddiem writes: "http://www.flightexplorer.com/ will soon let you view the flight path of the planes." Explanations of airport security at How Stuff Works and Cryptome are an interesting read under the circumstances as well.
Bard, Andrew wrote with some updates as well:
"Just to let you know:
- I heard a woman who was on the 92nd floor of the first WTC building when the plane hit it. She was able to escape and so was everyone "in her company" so it is assumed that virtually everyone from the 92nd floor down was evacuated successfully - an estimated 20,000 people of the 25,000 in the building.
- the plane that went down in PA had a woman onboard who locked herself in the bathroom with her cellular phone - she was telling authorities about the hijacking when the plane crashed and killed her - that is the only way the authorities knew for sure what plane went down in PA so quickly, she gave her flight number
- the Mexican border is completely closed and the Canadian border is still open - all International flights have been redirected to Northern Canada
- the planes from Boston were presumably chosen because they were going on long flights (to LA) which would make them larger than average airliners with full tanks of gas
- when the first WTC building crashed (which was the 2nd one to be hit), 125 firemen were down below fighting the fire on the first building to be hit... none of them have been heard from yet - 10,000 emergency personnel in NYC responded to the first WTC getting hit... it is unknown how many of those were crushed in the two collapsed buildings."
The best photo I've seen of this nightmare (Score:2, Interesting)
The Internet has Helped (Score:4, Interesting)
What was really heartening was this:
http://www.worldtradecenter.com
Usually it's some jerk looking to make money. This person looks to be really trying to help.
the canadian border hasn't been sealed... (Score:4, Interesting)
My office building is right behind Lester B. Pearson Airport in Toronto, Ontario, Canada and it's usually very busy with airplane traffic. It's eerie now that there is none. The shock can be felt around the world. Deepest sympathies from Canada.
VERY strange coincidence (Score:5, Interesting)
ian @ polpo . org
Farewell to the twin towers. (Score:5, Interesting)
Only a few short weeks ago I walked a couple of times across the Brooklyn and Manhattan bridges, to get some fresh air. I took a bunch of pictures of the evening New York City skyline. Amongst them were a couple of shot of the WTC towers. Little did I know that this would be the last time I'd see them.
Please see my short tribute to the World Trace Center towers:
/ farewelltowtc/index.html [geocities.com].
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Peaks/5799
God have mercy on these souls.
Re:Gas prices as a result (Score:2, Interesting)
Kirby
Re: My God, what happened? (Tragedy of the commons (Score:4, Interesting)
The ultimate "tragedy of the commons".
The United States has been a wonderful experiment in an open society. On
That last assumption may no longer be valid, and what that does to an open society, I have no idea.
On a slight side note, this does the Palestinians no good at all. If they really wanted sympathy and to affect US policy, they should have made a movie set on the West Bank, with everyday life as a backdrop. Instead they've merely upped the body count. (Presuming it's not Son of Timothy, and the data IS rather indicative.) While I agree that 'appeasement' doesn't work, I fear what may have been awakened in the US, and only hope our response, whenever it comes, is properly 'measured'.
Re:Still doesn't seem real. (Score:2, Interesting)
Maybe some good can come out of this tragedy: I hope that Bush and the rest of the current administration get it through their thick heads that billion dollar strike fighter programs and missile defense systems mean about as much in the 21st century as black powder musket production would've meant at the beginning of the 20th century.
Hijackings, biological and chemical attacks, and yes, even net warfare are the new weapons of mass destruction. We will ignore them at our own peril.
give credit where credit is due (Score:2, Interesting)
"The Americans" - Original Script
"LET'S BE PERSONAL" Broadcast June 5, 1973 CFRB, Toronto, Ontario
Topic: "The Americans"
The United States dollar took another pounding on German, French and British exchanges this morning, hitting the lowest point ever known in West Germany. It has declined there by 41% since 1971 and this Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the most generous and possibly the least-appreciated people in all the earth.
As long as sixty years ago, when I first started to read newspapers, I read of floods on the Yellow River and the Yangtse. Who rushed in with men and money to help? The Americans did.
They have helped control floods on the Nile, the Amazon, the Ganges and the Niger. Today, the rich bottom land of the Misssissippi is under water and no foreign land has sent a dollar to help. Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy, were lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of dollars and forgave other billions in debts. None of those countries is today paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States.
When the franc was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans who propped it up and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it.
When distant cities are hit by earthquakes, it is the United States that hurries into help... Managua Nicaragua is one of the most recent examples. So far this spring, 59 American communities have been flattened by tornadoes. Nobody has helped.
The Marshall Plan
I'd like to see one of those countries that is gloating over the erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplanes.
Come on... let's hear it! Does any other country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tristar or the Douglas 107? If so, why don't they fly them? Why do all international lines except Russia fly American planes? Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or women on the moon?
You talk about Japanese technocracy and you get radios. You talk about German technocracy and you get automobiles. You talk about American technocracy and you find men on the moon, not once, but several times
When the Americans get out of this bind
When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down through age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old caboose. Both are still broke. I can name to you 5,000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other people in trouble.
Can you name me even one time when someone else raced to the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside help even during the San Francisco earthquake.
Our neighbours have faced it alone and I am one Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them kicked around. They will come out of this thing with their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled to thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating over their present troubles.
I hope Canada is not one of these. But there are many smug, self-righteous Canadians. And finally, the American Red Cross was told at its 48th Annual meeting in New Orleans this morning that it was broke.
This year's disasters
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Re:Better security on planes (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Farewell to the twin towers. (Score:2, Interesting)
Here's what the dihard SlashDot'ers NEED to do (if you agree mod this up!)
I am about to mirror some of what I found, sometime somewhere soon, TBA.... I hope we can band together to pull off a media spread fast and informative.
Comment on Trademarks and Copywrights: Screw them, this is too important. DO NOT white out sources, GIVE FULL CREDIT IF YOU CAN!!! But, we want the news spread clear and fast, with as much detail as we can. So, give credit, and if they don't make the credits for the photos or media clear enough in the content, it's THIER FAULT for not taking credit... Let's just mirror shit so we don't choke down the major news sites and the best photos we can find.
Re:Slashdot Strikes Back (Score:2, Interesting)
From google thread (Score:2, Interesting)
Below is the google thread:
He predicts the exact day!! He says he would not be around after!!! He may be a suicider!!
From: Xinoehpoel (tesnal@psl.moc)
Subject: Re: 911
Newsgroups: alt.prophecies.nostradamus
View this article only
Date: 2001-09-04 12:40:28 PST
Wait 7 days, and then maybe I'll answer this post. You see, I am going away
in seven days, and you will not hear from me again.
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Article from Russian Website (translated) (Score:2, Interesting)
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all last information about the tragedy in THE USA .
Information constantly is renewed
nformatsiya about the tragic events in THE USA, arranged/located in this article, constantly it is renewed.
Fresh information is isolated with medium boldface type .
According to the communication/report to TV broadcasting company SI-N- N, which leads straight/direct reporting from kabul, in the Afghan capital several powerful explosions were heard . In several places of city the fires arose. Correspondent SI-N- N reports that the explosions in kabul " greatly resemble the explosions of the cruise missiles, which it observed two ago in Yugoslavia ".
According to the preliminary data, one of the explosions occurred in the place, where in kabul large fuel depot is located. In the sky above the city, reports SI-N- N with the reference to the eyewitnesses, were noticed several cruise missiles.
According to the data of urban authorities, in that become on Tuesday the object of the most destructive in the history OF THE USA attack of terrorists the complex of the center of international trade, which was being considered one of the main sights of the largest city OF THE USA, it worked to 50 thousand people, skyscraper- twins assumed/took daily higher 10 thousand visitors " this- nightmare it is worse/worst, which could happen ", he said in the interview, hardly holding in control tears, the mayor of New York Rudolf Dzhulianni.
According to the data of the special services OF THE USA, the terrorist acts, carried out on Tuesday in Washington and New York, organized the international terrorist Of usama Ben Laden . On this reported the TV broadcasting company " Fox ".
As a result of today's teraktov, when both towers of world commercial center in New York were brought down, were injured not less than 2100 people, of them about 600 with the heavy injuries were delivered into the hospitals. On this reported the mayor of New York Rudolf Dzhuliani, transfers BY CHNN. the number of those been killed as before unknown and it will be named only into the medium or even on Thursday. At the same time, according to the data of spasateley, a quantity of victims still can grow considerably - according to the preliminary data, at the moment/torque terakta in the towers of world commercial center were located not less than 40 000 people.
As a result of terakta in the building of the Pentagon, supposedly, perished about 100 people. The aircraft of vrezalsya into the compartments/rooms, where were arranged/located two departments of the Pentagon for fight with the terrorism.
As a result of fire the 40- storeyed building, which entered into the complex of world commercial center in New York, collapsed. The house, which is building the number of 7 complexes, obtained damages and it inflamed after caving as a result of terakta of two 110- storeyed skyscrapers. Somewhat previously collapsed the building of smaller height - number 6, also entered into complex. In all into the complex of world commercial center in New York entered 7 buildings, including two 110- storeyed skyscrapers.
All commercial flights of the aircraft above the territory OF THE USA are stopped at least to noon of medium on the local time " not some aircraft to this time it will take off ", stated director on the communications of the White House Of keren of Hugh meanwhile approximately 500 voyages, which were being sent to the USA because of the boundary were perenapravleny into the Canadian airports
CHNN reported the last data about the numbers of the voyages, by which had to fly the aircraft seized by terrorists: the voyage of 11 companies " Amer. Airlines " Boston-Los- Angeles, the voyage of 77 companies " Amer. Airlines " of Washington (airport Dallesa)-Los- Angeles, the voyage of 93 companies " United Airlines " Newark-San- Francisco, the voyage of 175 companies " United Airlines " Boston-Los- Angeles.
The ministry of defense OF THE USA declared the highest degree of anxiety - " readiness for the war ", reports CHNN. it is declared general mobilization. Are put into operation the alternate command posts of the army OF THE USA sky above America closed, PVO l - AIR DEFENSEm OF THE USA monitors entire territory of the country from the command center in the state of Colorado.
The President OF THE USA George Bush could not rapidly return to Washington from Florida and he stated on the military base in the state of Louisiana that all armed forces to THE USA and abroad were given to the increased combat readiness. According to him, " attack underwent democracy itself and democracy will be protected ". To 21:30 on Moscow time the President OF THE USA could return to the capital, but it does not communicate about his location.
As reports RIA of " news " , the special session of the permanent council of North Atlantic agreement will be assembled in the nearest hours in the staff office OF NATO in Brussels.
According to the deputy chairman of senate committee on reconnaissance Richard Shelbi, American special services government organizations obtained " absolutely no information " about prepared teraktakh, reports RIA of " news " .
TV -6 reports that one of the aircraft, which flew from Moscow to THE USA, was as other international voyages, perenapravlen into Canada and villages. Russia forbade the departure of all aircraft, which follow in THE USA.
About 9 hundred in the evening on Moscow time the representative of Russian federation in THE UNITED NATIONS Sergey Lavrov reported that, according to his data, among the colleagues of official Russian representations in New York and Washington and the members of their families there are no been killed. The opening of the current 56-1 session of the general assembly OF UNITED NATIONS outlined for Tuesday is abolished.
Information more lately entered, that one additional driven away passenger aircraft " Boeing-747 " approaches Washington. As reported CHNN, it was biased/beaten BY VVS OF THE USA in all, according to the data of TV broadcasting company NYUK, in THE USA were seized 11 (eleven) passenger aircraft. Location 4 of them is unknown Until now.
One additional communication/report entered 18 hours 50 minutes: near the large American city Pittsburgh fell " Boeing ", which belonged " to United Airlines ". On its board/edge it was 81 people. Broke one additional aircraft in the Washington airport Dulles, on his board/edge it was 54 people. It communicates also that in the last hours in THE USA occurred 8 (eight) avikatastrof.
It communicated that one additional aircraft, which turned above Washington, was constrained by USAF l - United States Air forcem land and collapsed not far from the residence of the President OF THE USA into the camp -Devide (state of Maryland). Late officials refuted this information.
A quantity of victims cannot be even assumed, but out of any doubt, it is enormous. Perished pilot- suicide and the passengers of three aircraft (according to the preliminary data, only in one of the aircraft it was located 160 people). Majorities of 50 000 TSMT were already at their work sites at the moment of attack. TV -6 reports that people jumped out from the burning buildings of the center of international trade. There were at the places and the colleagues of American military department. Furthermore, precisely, on the upper levels of two New York towers are located running plates completely popular among the tourists.
According to the last estimations/evaluations, perished not less than 50 thousand people. American cities are panic-stricken. Is declared state of emergency in the largest cities OF THE USA - in New York, Washington, San Francisco, Los Angeles. Thousands of victims enter into the hospitals of New York and Washington.
Sky-TV reported that the responsibility for these terakty took upon itself the democratic Front of the release of Palestine, but this late communication/report was disproved by officials DFOP. The leader of the Palestinian autonomy of yasir Arafat also condemned the terrorist acts in THE USA also about his nonparticipation they stated and the leaders of motions " khamas " and " Islamic dzhikhad ". According to the data OF CHNN, in the territory of Palestinian autonomy it passes a kind of the celebration, which passes into the the people of gulyaniya. In East Jerusalem is conducted the demonstration of several ten Arabs, who praise Usamu Bean Ladena.
According to last data, terakty were condemned " main suspected " - by Afghan fundamentalistskim motion " taliban ". this statement made the ambassador of talibov to Pakistan. According to the information CHNN, taliby also stated that Usama Bean Laden was not participating to these teraktam. According to them, it simply does not have this technical capability.
The President Vladimir Putin expressed the condolence of the people OF THE USA it was conducted special communication/report with the power ministers. About 9 hours of msk the President RF appeared on the television and brought on behalf of the people of Russia his condolences to American people. The Minister/Secretary of Defense RF Sergey Ivanov made statement, that the servicemen of Russia were ready to render assistance OF THE USA in connection with teraktami in the American cities.
Re:From google thread (Score:2, Interesting)
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=Xinoehpoel&hl
Re:Don't care if I get modded down (Score:3, Interesting)
AFAIK, Building 7 housed the BATF and OSHA.
Re:Excellent. (Score:1, Interesting)
Turn fucking Afghanistan into a piece of glass. Hunt down anyone and everyone (and every country) who has ever sympathized with or donated so much as a nickel to Ben Ladin or anyone even remotely connected to him and kill them.
Did you know that the U.S. recently gave Afghanistan millions of dollars?
Re:MSNBC: Nuclear Retaliation "Not Off The Table" (Score:5, Interesting)
Xinoehpoel (Score:2, Interesting)
Like the movies (Score:2, Interesting)
A special agent of the FBI, a case officer of the CIA, and a general in the U.S. Army have all taken the same oath - "to support and defend the Constitution" - but when a bus blows up in Brooklyn and a campaign of terror begins to make its bloody mark on a city under siege, the men and women who have sworn to protect the country must now reckon with the many implications of their oath.
Anthony "Hub" Hubbard (Denzel Washington), the head of the joint FBI/NYPD terrorism task force, is the man charged with keeping New York City safe from an array of threats that seem to grow more terrifying with every headline. As an officer of the court, his job is the apprehension and prosecution of criminals. Elise Kraft (Annette Bening) is a CIA operative, now undercover, with important sources in the Arab-American community and ambiguous ties to the suspects. Her agenda, like that of her government's foreign policy, is more complex than Hub's. And yet these two are forced to work together, forging an uneasy alliance, as the incidents of terror threaten to paralyze the city.
But before they can accomplish their mission, the public's clamor for safety forces the hand of the President of the United States - whose only recourse is to declare a State of Emergency and ask help from the military. General William Devereaux (Bruce Willis) is a thoughtful, cautious warrior who well knows the dangers of bringing the army onto the streets of an American city. Although he argues against it, when he's given the unenviable task of imposing military order he responds as a soldier must, with unquestioning obedience and purpose.
As the pursuit of the terrorists becomes more desperate, these three lives become intertwined in a terrible and frightening dilemma, a situation that threatens the very fabric of a democratic society and the central premises on which it is founded.
http://www.thesiege.com/htmls/movie_info2.html
The final parahraph is very important:
At what point does the protection of the country's citizens conflict with the protection of their rights? Faced with such grave danger, how will the members of a free society measure up? How quickly will the country abrogate the Constitution? How shallowly beneath the surface does the ugly spectre of repression and persecution reside? Or more simply put: Will the people of this country be forced to become monsters in order to fight monsters?
At what point does the protection of the country's citizens conflict with the protection of their rights? Faced with such grave danger, how will the members of a free society measure up? How quickly will the country abrogate the Constitution? How shallowly beneath the surface does the ugly spectre of repression and persecution reside? Or more simply put: Will the people of this country be forced to become monsters in order to fight monsters?
Re:Just heard on CNN: knives and cardboard cutters (Score:4, Interesting)
I've heard all the Israeli passenger flights have a soldier on board. Can anyone confirm/deny that?
Please don't speculate at this point (Score:1, Interesting)
WE DO NOT KNOW who was responsible for the attacks yet. You could guess at Middle-Eastern countries, but that just helps to alienate and insult the middle-easterners who were innocent (which is most of them.) For all we know, it may as well have been an ally.
Today at my school many people who looked middle-eastern (notice I said LOOKED, they may not have even been) were picked on. This stems from hate and fear, which BOTH come out of ignorance. We need to shut up about what hasn't been proven.
And the same goes for the explosions, etc., in other countries.
I will have the most accurate, truthful information I can find along with many pictures and videos on my website, ModernPsycho.com [modernpsycho.com], which has not been slashdotted *yet*.
On a final note, my heart goes out to all that have been injured or killed from the day's events, or those close to people who have.
Re:The Internet has Helped: Reaction (Score:2, Interesting)
Right now everybody's trying to figure out how this could possibly have been planned in secret. Eventually the finger pointing is going to get around to encryption technology, and maybe even the recent lifting of restrictions.
I fear we're about to be set back decades in the battle to effectively communicate in a private manner.
The biggest challenge comes in the next few days (Score:1, Interesting)
Having speculated on the prospect of going to full military awareness level, I would fully agree to going to such an excess. Noone can deny, that the attack on the US is one of the most abonimable acts of terrorism ever, but the largest threat lies not in the scale of theese events, but in the aftermath, that we are about to witness. I am not one to dispute, that the US is entitled to a retaliation, but imagine the scenario, where the US targets the wrong country/area/terrorist faction. Then we have a scenario where we have a united Middle East (well, almost) against the US, and a NATO, that cannot approve of an attack against virtually innocent civilians (let's face it. One cannot retaliate this event by attacking purely military installations). This would leave a shattered NATO (and hence a shattered UN), which would leave us all open to just about everything. I, for one, is happy, that we do no longer have the cold war to worry about...
Thus, I would strongly advice to put a lid on the initial anger, and think of the bigger perspective.
Not hiding behind a nickname, I submit my views as Sune Mølgaard, Århus Denmark