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Posted by Hemos
from the things-are-gonna-change dept.
I'm trying to get stuff together, and post an update: The Pentagon, which evidently has partly collapsed with a chasm 200-300 feet across, and fires on six stories, has ordered the USS JFK and George Washington into NYC. PLEASE GIVE BLOOD. Over 200 firemen are reported missing, and reports of 50,000 dead in the WTC collapse are being bandied about. Dick Cheney has assumed control of the White House, and is in the situation room there. GWB is not returning to the White House until things have calmed down -- and has gone evidently to an undisclosed location. The [CDC] in Atlanta has largely evacuated but has activated their bioterrorism units. American Airlines flight 11, the first to crash into the WTC, was going from BOS -> LAX. There are rumors of Akamai's founder being onboard on Flight 11, As well, the rumor is that the pilot of United Flight 193 flew it in into the ground, outside Pittsburgh, rather then fly into the USX building, which if true, makes him a better person then I -- but there are also rumors that it was shot down by a F-16. United Flight 175 also crashed into the WTC, according to Boston.com, and originated from Boston -- so the WTC was both Boston flights. Reports of a car bomb that was supposed to have gone off int front the State Department have been denied. In a statement, the Taliban government of Afghanistan has denied any involvement, and Yassar Arafat has denounced the attack. Remember: No one knows who did this yet, so don't make any assumptions -- remember what people first thought about the OKC attack. In other news, the US - Mexico/Canada borders are being heavily screened; all air traffic has been grounded; nationwide federal buildings are being evacuated; NATO personnel in Brussells have been sent home, Israeli embassies worldwide have been evacuated, all U.S. Disney parks shut down; major parts of European cities, Britain in particular, are being shut down; stock trading is shut down in all major European and American exchanges. There are 50 flights still in the air, with 2 international flights that have yet to respond. F16s from the US Air Force has been instructed to shoot down flights in a no fly zone over NYC & DC - an AVI of the WTC plane or mpeg here. More as we know.Update: 09/11 18:10 PM GMT by H :I've heard on NPR that all flights and planes are now accounted for -- but that a fifth crash has occurred in an undisclosed location. As well, a car bomb did go off in front of the State Department, and there was a crash near Camp David. There's a well done timeline - we also had a report from someone who lives 3 miles away from the PA crash. Evidently the plane veered several times, and then smashed into an abandoned strip mine - which was luckily not near any people or anything.
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  • by tino_sup (460223) <tino_sup@aichohteeemayeell.com> on Tuesday September 11, 2001 @12:43PM (#2278624) Homepage Journal
    Here are emergency contact numbers for the airlines with planes down.
    American Airlines - 800-245-0999
    United Airlines - 800-923-8555

    Hope this helps

  • Remember the past (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 11, 2001 @12:43PM (#2278636)
    "No matter how long it may take us to overcome this premeditated invasion, the American people in their righteous might will win though to absolute victory.... ....with confidence in our armed forces - with the unbounding determination of our people - we will gain the inevitable triumph - so help us god."

    - President Franklin D Roosevelt
    December 8th, 1941
    Speaking to the American people after the attack on Pearl Harbor
    • by scanrate (470160) on Tuesday September 11, 2001 @12:59PM (#2278837)
      "I fear all we have done is to wake a sleeping giant, and fill him with a terrible resolve."

      Japanese Admiral Yamamoto
      After attack on Pearl Harbor
      Quoted from http://www.nps.gov/fdrm/generation/ph.htm
    • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 11, 2001 @01:33PM (#2279228)
      The innocent lives lost are tragic and unprecendented (in the US at least--think of Vietnam, Bosnia, WW2, Siege of Leningrad and others). But we reap what our leaders past and present sow. We are a super power and an empire and so draw the wrath of thesoe we hold dominion over. And we are a free society, so hitting us from within is easier than it could be. The Roman Empire faced terroism by the Gauls and other tribes on their borders. If we as a nation, continue to support land theft, assasination and torture in throughout the world in order to maintain our empire (Chile, Vietnam, Agentina, Iran, Israel, and many more: Ask Kissinger/Bush Sr./Rumsfeld for details) then we must expect retribution will at least be attempted. It is sad to see it apparently acheived by somebody with some axe to grind: for they never kill the guilty, but instead destroy the lives of many innocent people for no purpose. They can even come from our own as in McVeigh. Terrorism is a sad, sad tactic for in leaving the guilty unpunished and killing innocents does nothing to help a cause. It jsut makes the world a meaner, less humane place. Funny huamne derives from human and it is humans who are the least humane of all animals.
  • Plea for peace (Score:5, Insightful)

    by m2 (5408) <slashdot,org&spam,ksub,org> on Tuesday September 11, 2001 @12:44PM (#2278643) Homepage Journal

    FWIW, I'm not a citizen of the U.S. nor do I live there.

    Violence induces more violence. Retaliation will only lead to more deaths. If you are a citizen of the U.S. of America, please write your representative right now and ask him to join a plea for peace. Historically the U.S. reaction to this kind of attack is to counter strike. It's highly probably that it's already being planned or even carried on. That will solve nothing. You might get even, but that achieves nothing. The death will not come back and the attack has been already recorded on the books of history. At this point in time, counter attacking is irrational and puts not only the lives of U.S. citizens at risk, but those of lots of people all arround the world, too.

    • You are SO wrong. Appeasement NEVER works. We tried to appease Hitler, and didn't work. Do you really think that we could have "pleaded" with Hitler for peace? Or "pleaded" with Japan when the bombed Pearl Harbor?

      On the other hand, when we bombed Khadafi in the 80s, terrorists didn't screw with us for YEARS.

      This requires a huge, huge response. The aggressors set the rules. At the very least, invasion of the country that either sponsored, or allowed to happen, this terrorism must be made.

      This "day of infamy" must not be allowed to stand.

      Go W!

      • Re:Plea for peace (Score:4, Insightful)

        by jafac (1449) on Tuesday September 11, 2001 @01:43PM (#2279395) Homepage
        There are only two ways to break the cycle of violence.

        1. Kill them all. Every last one of them. And anyone who ever cared about them. No one will be left to carry out revenge. No future generations will rise up.

        OR

        2. Forgive.

        Apparently, neither of these are really an option, so we'll be pedalling this cycle for a good long while to come.

        - - - -
        But really, "Go W"? Do you have any idea how rediculous that sounds? We'll be lucky if that bastard doesn't round up any person who is a moslem in the US and put them in camps for orderly disposal.
        I think that the US people have learned, and will soon have the lesson reinforced, what happens when you elect a president with WEAK foreign experience.
        I'm all for rallying around the flag, but I refuse to support this charlatan of a leader.
      • Re:Plea for peace (Score:4, Insightful)

        by WolfWithoutAClause (162946) on Tuesday September 11, 2001 @02:45PM (#2280046) Homepage
        Aggressors don't always set the rules.

        "Vietnam", "Afghanistan", "Retreat from Russia"

        In the latter, the Russian winter beat back Napolean, in the first two terrorism was able to hang on for years in the face of an aggressor.

        >This requires a huge, huge response. The aggressors set the rules. At the very least, invasion of the country that either
        >sponsored, or allowed to happen, this terrorism must be made.

        We don't know this was state sponsored. Clearly if it was, that country is in the deepest doo-doo imaginable. But it is most likely that this is done by a relatively small group of people; and may very well not be state related at all.

        If you really believe that invasion of the country that allowed this to happen should be done, what happens if that country unknowably turns out to be Canada?
    • by MarkusQ (450076) on Tuesday September 11, 2001 @01:19PM (#2279066) Journal
      To summarize:

      Counter attacking is not a good solution, for several reasons. 1) We do not know who to blame, and blind lynching leads to many problems, 2) even if we did know who to blame, counter attacking stands a good chance of angering others, and perpetuating the cycle, 3) even if we knew which nation to attack, and could get away with it, it is still wrong to kill people for the actions of others--we would be no better than the terrorists.

      On the other hand, doing nothing is likewise unacceptable. It will send the message that these actions can be taken with impunity, and likely lead to further assaults. Failing to stand up for yourself is the best way to become a victim.

      So, logically, we need to do something that is not a counter attack.

      This is where brains come in. What can we do that will reduce or eliminate this kind of threat but isn't a blind reprisal? That is the question we should be turning our brains to.

      -- MarkusQ

  • by PenguinRadio (69089) on Tuesday September 11, 2001 @12:44PM (#2278646) Homepage
    http://www.penguinradio.com/ has live streams of the DC Police Special Operations channel. This is a shoutcast MP3 feed.
  • Just Give Blood!!! (Score:4, Informative)

    by TopShelf (92521) on Tuesday September 11, 2001 @12:45PM (#2278658) Homepage Journal
    Even if you're not in NYC, blood supplies can be moved around, and are desperately needed in a situation like this. Given the situation, does anybody know if they'll accept donations from folks who gave less than 8 weeks ago?
    • by bungalow (61001) on Tuesday September 11, 2001 @01:47PM (#2279454)
      Consider giving blood components.

      I know a lot of places run people in to "donate" plasma - and then give the donors a check for a ~1 - 2 donation. The check structure is based so that those who need the income, are prompted to go in on a regular basis:

      1st week:
      Day 1 $25
      Day 2 $15
      2ND WEEK:
      DAY 3 $20
      DAY 4 $25

      These places take in just about anyone, but test blood before thaey take it. There is usually long lines and it's uncomfortable.

      If you don't like taking money for blood donations, check out Carter Blood Center. They will accept platelet donations 2x per week, and repay donors with the standard cookie / apple juice fare. It's also a longer process - about 1n hour, and you've got needles in both arms. But the nurses have to totally wait on you, and they let you bring in movies to watch, or watch the ones there. An excellent setup. As an added bonus, there's the excuse to drink two extra milkshakes a week - this is recommended to make up for the Calcium and protein loss.

    • by bgdarnel (2144) on Tuesday September 11, 2001 @02:11PM (#2279767) Homepage
      Red Cross offices (in the Raleigh NC area at least) are being overwhelmed by donors and are asking everyone to call and make an appointment rather than just dropping by.

      -Ben
    • by Evro (18923) <evandhoffman@g[ ]l.com ['mai' in gap]> on Tuesday September 11, 2001 @02:36PM (#2279969) Homepage Journal
      If you are in the NYC/Long Island area, here is a URL with locations to donate blood: http://www.nybloodcenter.org/blood_window.htm [nybloodcenter.org]. Additionally, EMS is now saying you can donate blood at any hospital in the area.

      I tried to give blood at 2500 Marcus (very near Long Island Jewish hospital) and I couldn't even get in the parking lot. I'll try again later or tomorrow. Please, if you are in the area, help out...

      I feel so useless... giving blood is all I can do to help.

      Here's the text of that URL in case it's down for whatever reason:

      NEW YORK, NY, SEPTEMBER 11, 2001 - Due to this morning's hijack plane attacks on two World Trade Center buildings, resulting in unknown medical emergencies, New York Blood Center has announced a blood emergency for the greater New York/New Jersey metropolitan area.

      Dr. Robert Jones, New York Blood Center President and Chief Executive Officer, is urging all eligible donors to make a blood donation at donor sites in Manhattan at 310 East 67th Street (between 1st and 2nd Avenues) and 150 Amsterdam Avenue (66-67th Streets); in Brooklyn at 120 Lawrence Street near MetroTech; on Staten Island at 1625 Forest Avenue; on Long Island at 2500 Marcus Avenue in Lake Success, 3125 Veterans Highway in Bohemia; 333 Merrick Road in Rockville Centre and Route 110N in Melville/Huntington; at 167 New Street in New Brunswick, New Jersey; and 525 Executive Blvd. in Elmsford in Westchester. For more details on available donor locations, call 1-800-933-2566. Hours at all sites have been extended until further notice.

      Who Can Help?

      Donors must be at least age 17**, weigh a minimum of 110 pounds and be in good general health. Photo or signature ID is required.

      To find the nearest donation location call 1-800-933-2566 or refer to our blood drive locator.

      *New York Blood Center regions include:
      Brooklyn/Staten Island Blood Services
      serving over 25 hospitals in Brooklyn & Staten Island
      Hudson Valley Blood Services
      serving over 50 hospitals in the Bronx and lower Hudson Valley
      Long Island Blood Services
      serving over 50 hospitals in Queens, Nassau & Suffolk
      New Jersey Blood Services
      serving over 65 hospitals in northern and central New Jersey
      New York Blood Services
      serving over 30 hospitals in Manhattan

      **17-year-olds in New Jersey require parents' written permission to donate.

  • by Hollinger (16202) <michaelNO@SPAMhollinger.net> on Tuesday September 11, 2001 @12:47PM (#2278669) Homepage Journal
    People, give blood wherever you live, regardless of whether it's in California or in Rhode Island!
  • More info (Score:3, Informative)

    by rw2 (17419) on Tuesday September 11, 2001 @12:48PM (#2278683) Homepage
    Continual updates on poliglut [poliglut.com]. And we're still operating without lag.
  • 1-800-Give-Life (Score:5, Informative)

    by djrogers (153854) on Tuesday September 11, 2001 @12:48PM (#2278693)
    Please, no matter where in the country you are - GIVE BLOOD! Blood banks all across the nation will be getting blood and plasma to NY and DC at this time, and we already have a serious shortage nationwide. If you're over 17 years old, 110 lbs, and have no STDs, call 1-800-give-life and find out where you can donate.
  • God Bless Google (Score:4, Informative)

    by Bonker (243350) on Tuesday September 11, 2001 @12:48PM (#2278695)
    If you are looking for news, you will find the most current information on TV or radio.
    Many online news services are not available, because of extremely high demand.
    Below are links to cached copies of news sites as they appeared earlier today.
    Breaking news: Attacks hit US [Washington Post - CNN.com (cached)]

  • by marcop (205587) <marcop AT slashdot DOT org> on Tuesday September 11, 2001 @12:49PM (#2278705) Homepage
    I have been watching a continuous video feed for the past hour from http://www.sky.com/skynews/home/

    BTW, they www.sky.com runs Solaris. So does washingtonpost.com - which was one of the few sites that was up. I don't promote Solaris - but it is interesting.
  • Donate Blood (Score:3, Insightful)

    by MousePotato (124958) on Tuesday September 11, 2001 @12:49PM (#2278708) Homepage Journal
    As I write this preparations or underway to turn our studio into an emergency blood donation center for the American Red Cross. They need help. Business want to help but most do not have the advantage we (martial art schools across the US) do; lots of floor space for them to setup.

    If you can't help this way please just go and donate blood today.

    My prayers go out to the hundreds, if not thousands of families who lost a loved one today. NYC is my home town. All I can do from 1375 miles away I will.

    Peace,

    Sandor Urban
  • Better... (Score:3, Insightful)

    by imipak (254310) on Tuesday September 11, 2001 @12:52PM (#2278755) Journal
    Hemos: THANK YOU for your words urging restraint. There'll be plenty of time to work out who did it and bring them to justice in the following months.

    major parts of European cities, Britain in particular are being shutdown,
    I'm two miles from the House of Commons (central London) and, as far as I'm aware, Hemos is mistaken. (Source?) Specific buioldings such as Lloyds, the Nat West tower, Canary Wharf and so on are evacuated, but Londoners are used to that sort of thing: we had an IRA bombing campaign (and still do, of a sort) and there are plenty of false alarms and practice drills.

  • September 11 = (Score:3, Informative)

    by LordKariya (195696) on Tuesday September 11, 2001 @12:54PM (#2278781)
    Not sure if this has been posted yet...

    Today is September 11th...

    September 11th was also the date that certain conditions were reached under the Camp David accord, a treaty which terrorist groups have regularly rallied against.

  • There is a big hole IN the Pentagon where an airplane crashed into it. It is ONLY 5 stories tall (well, there is that *alleged* basement), 5 sides, 5 rings. A 300 foot hole can not swollow the worlds most massive office building.

    Plane crashed by the helliport, on the Southwest side. Most reports are that it hit between the E and D rings (outermost ring is E).

    Not sure if this was the wedge that is currently under renovation or not.

    There are confirmed dead adults in the building. None of the children in the daycare center were harmed. All of the children are accounted for and safe.

    Verizon is asking everybody in the DC area to stay off of ANY phone line unless it is an emergency.
    • Latest from WTPOP-FM Washington, DC/Manassas, VA

      Mayor Williams of DC has just declaired state of emergency in DC. DC Government closed.

      VA Governor declairs State of Emergency.

      Camp David airplane crash report is false.

      Regan National Airport to remain closed until at least 1100 12 Sep 2001

      Massive gridlock leaving DC, similar to the first flake of snow day in this area (locals will know what I mean).

      Reminders that low flying aircraft around Dulles and National Airports are US MILITARY aircraft, NOT foreign.

      Reminders to stay off the phone.
  • by Nos. (179609) <andrew AT thekerrs DOT ca> on Tuesday September 11, 2001 @01:06PM (#2278905) Homepage
    September 11, 2001


    Immediate


    STATEMENT BY THE PRIME MINISTER


    Prime Minister Jean Chrétien expressed his horror at the news that the United States has been the victim of multiple terrorist attacks :



    "I was stricken by news and television pictures coming from the United States this morning. It is impossible to fully comprehend the evil that would have conjured up such a cowardly and depraved assault upon thousands of innocent people. There can be no cause or grievance that could ever justify such unspeakable violence. Indeed, such an attack is an assault not only on the targets but an offense against the freedom and rights of all civilized nations.


    All Canadians are praying that the brave firefighters and rescue crews who currently on the scene will be successful in limiting the casualties. We stand ready to provide any assistance that our American friends may need at this very, very difficult hour and in the subsequent investigation.


    Aline joins me in offering, on behalf of all Canadians, our deepest sympathies to the families of the victims and to the American people.



    - 30 -


    PMO Press Office: (613) 957-5555
    This document is also available on the following Web site:
    http://pm.gc.ca

  • by FFFish (7567) on Tuesday September 11, 2001 @01:07PM (#2278916) Homepage
    First plane: American Airlines, Flight 11, Boston=>LA, 92 on board.
    Second: UA, 175, Boston=>LA, ?.
    Third (Pentagon): AA, 77, Dulles=>LA, 64.
    Four: UA, 93, Newark=>SF, ?.
    Five: UA, Camp David.
    Six: (PA crash),
    Seven: (CO crash?), UA?, 175, =>LA?

    Many planes still in the air, none currently threatened.

    Crash Five may be a rumour. I keep seeing it scroll by on the TV, but I've read that it's been denied.
    • by FFFish (7567) on Tuesday September 11, 2001 @02:18PM (#2279850) Homepage
      CORRECTION:

      There are five confirmed crashes. The "Camp David" one is actually the PA crash; it crashed relatively close to Camp David. The flight number is still unknown.

      I've got flight 175 listed twice. I haven't heard confirmation of the rumoured CO crash, so presumably it didn't happen.

      All the flights were East Coast take-offs heading for the West Coast. This is not because LA or SF were under threat of attack, as some stations are stupidly reporting, but because these are the flights with the most fuel onboard.

      Transalantic flights would have provided even bigger planes and more fuel, but security on them is more stringent than those for domestic flights.
  • by osgeek (239988) on Tuesday September 11, 2001 @01:09PM (#2278951) Homepage Journal
    It's pretty easy for us on /. to decry law enforcement aids like facial recognition hardware and software when times are good. However, it's at times of senseless tragedy like this when we really need to stop and think about letting law enforcement have the tools they need to prevent wanton acts of distruction like this.

    Abuses of those tools should be another discussion entirely -- an important discussion, but not a paranoid paralyzing one.

    I'm usually fairly detached during times like this, but by myself, watching the coverage, and imagining the enormity of the loss of life, mental health, peace, property, and productivity -- I couldn't help but cry in frustration at not being able to do anything.

    I'm sure I wasn't the only one. To those of you who felt likewise, don't forget that feeling. When the time comes when you're able to voice your support for tools and methods to stop these methods of terrorism, don't be silent.

    • And so it begins...

      Something like this happens, and suddenly we're more willing to be lax on our liberties.

      We can't let events like this damage the values and ideals that we live by. If we do, then they win.

  • by bahtama (252146) on Tuesday September 11, 2001 @01:11PM (#2278981) Homepage
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/mmedia/webcam s/eyeondc.htm [washingtonpost.com] - just got the idea to search for webcams and I found this one aimed at the Pentagon. You could probably find many more out there from http://www.webcam-index.com/USA/ [webcam-index.com] or something like this site.
  • Predictions (Score:4, Insightful)

    by BarefootClown (267581) on Tuesday September 11, 2001 @01:28PM (#2279153) Homepage

    First of all, I hope and pray for the safety of all involved, and commend the rescue workers who are putting their lives on the line to save others. These people are heroes in the truest sense, and deserve our undying admiration and respect.

    Watching the news, all of the stations, particularly the military correspondents (Gen. Schwarzkopf included) talked about the complete failure of our intelligence community to provide us with any warning about this attack. Reporters asking "how could such a thing have happened with no warning," "haven't we infiltrated these groups," "how can you maintain secrecy on something this widespread," etc.

    In a couple of weeks, I'm going to look like a prophet for this one. I predict that somebody will mention data security, including e-mail encryption. Whether correctly or not, somebody will propose it, and encryption, already a hot topic in National Security circles, will gain focus.

    I predict that within a month, Congress will have drafted, and probably passed, a National Security Act to address the threat of terrorism. In that act, I fully expect to see severe restrictions on the use of secure data systems, including encryption of any form (e-mail, PGP file encryption/encrypted file systems, even SSH and SSL), anonymity (anonymous bulletin boards, including such things as Slashdot), and relaxation of wiretapping laws. E-mail will be required to be send in plaintext, Carnivore will be restored to active duty, and put on more servers with more keywords and more aggressive monitoring. Cell phones, already ruled to be not private, will be actively monitored by the government, as will landline phones--remember, cordless phones (you know you all have them) emit RF too, and the few that have scrambling systems are easily compromised.

    Also expect to see civil liberties severely curtailed, at least for a while. Meeting with friends at odd hours (odd to the rest of the world, normal to geeks)? Suspicious. Phone calls to friends in other countries, or of other nationailities (particularly Middle Eastern)? Suspicious. Use of encryption/security? Suspicious squared--after all, what do you have to hide?

    My big prediction, though, is that the American Sheeple will hail this as a Good Thing, and support it wholeheartedly. The Sheeple will automatically say that anything that improves security must be a Good Idea, and will fall into line without even considering the ramifications.

    Mark my words, my friends: today has been one small step for terrorism, but one giant leap for the police state.

    • Reasonable predictions. I'll add one: we'll occupy Afganistan by the end of the year.
    • Re:Predictions (Score:5, Insightful)

      by locust (6639) on Tuesday September 11, 2001 @02:42PM (#2280021)
      Watching the news, all of the stations, particularly the military correspondents (Gen. Schwarzkopf included) talked about the complete failure of our intelligence community to provide us with any warning about this attack. Reporters asking "how could such a thing have happened with no warning," "haven't we infiltrated these groups," "how can you maintain secrecy on something this widespread," etc.


      A co-worker and I did the math on this. You need a minum of 4 people, 8 for better success. They have to coordinate... But: If they are people working at air ports (in bagadge handling or cleaning) they can get a weapon(s) on a plane. Security at US airports isn't exactly tight. Then you need someone who can fly an aircraft enough to steer, not take it off or land it. After take off, the armed party goes to the front bathroom, slips into the cockpit kills both pilots, and locks the door (or there is another person there for crowd control). You need one, but more likely two people per plane. In a country of 300 million, with our freedoms you have to look out for 8 guys.


      --
      locust

  • Well Great. (Score:4, Insightful)

    by FFFish (7567) on Tuesday September 11, 2001 @01:29PM (#2279169) Homepage
    I'm watching CBC television, The National. The desk reporter is superlative, and I'll be writing CBC to give accolades.

    Now that there's less action on the ground, we're getting all the "experts" in as talking heads.

    And the unfortunate thing is that some of them are instigating racial hatred. Well, cultural hatred, at any rate.

    The same thing is beginning to happen on Slashdot: wingnuts wanting to obliterate Palestian, and even some who want to nuke the entire mid-East.

    GET A CLUE!

    The US can't just walk in and kill every damn Muslim and Arab. That'd be a worse atrocity than the attack on the WTC -- and the retaliation would make today's events look like a trip to Disneyland.

    There must be retaliation...but it must be rational!

    Use your cluesticks with impunity. Contact your news stations and let them know that they're being destructive, not constructive; join the message boards and preach cautious, considered reactions; and remain calm.

    [Please also note that more people die every day or two in traffic accidents, than were killed in the attack. It's a tragedy, but not much worse than the tragedy we live with every day... it's just that we don't expect terrorist attacks.]
  • by ZxCv (6138) on Tuesday September 11, 2001 @01:37PM (#2279304) Homepage
    The flights that crashed into the WTC towers were both American flights. Straight from a story on Boston.com, there's a breakdown on the known plane crashes:

    -American Flight 11
    Boston to Los Angeles
    A Boeing 767 with 81 passengers, nine flight attendants, and two pilots aboard crashed into the World Trade Center.

    -American Flight 77
    Washington-Dulles to Los Angeles
    A Boeing 757 with 58 passengers, four flight attendants and two pilots crashed into the World Trade Center.

    -United Flight 93
    Newark, N.J. to San Francisco
    A Boeing 757 with 38 passengers, two pilots and five flight attendants crashed southeast of Pittsburgh.

    -United Flight 175
    Boston to Los Angeles
    A Boeing 767 with 56 passengers, two pilots and seven flight attendants crashed, but United won't say where
  • Baha'i Perspective (Score:3, Interesting)

    by under_score (65824) <mishkin-slashdot ... inus threevowels> on Tuesday September 11, 2001 @01:40PM (#2279364) Homepage
    "The well-being of mankind, its peace and security are unattainable unless and until its unity is firmly established." - Baha'u'llah "The winds of despair are, alas, blowing from every direction, and the strife that divides and afflicts the human race is daily increasing. The signs of impending convulsions and chaos can now be discerned, inasmuch as the prevailing order appears to be lamentably defective." - Baha'u'llah "The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." - Baha'u'llah Official Baha'i Web Site [bahai.org]
  • BLACK BOXES (Score:3, Interesting)

    by SpookComix (113948) <spookcomix@gma[ ]com ['il.' in gap]> on Tuesday September 11, 2001 @01:42PM (#2279392) Homepage Journal
    If we want to gather intelligence to at least point us in the right direction of the organization responsible--we need to at *least* recover the "black box" from the aircraft that went down in PA. Perhaps we could get something from the pilot, or other background noise, to explain what happend to that particular flight, and help us understand the other hijacked flights.

    --SC

  • by autarkeia (152712) on Tuesday September 11, 2001 @01:43PM (#2279398) Homepage
    You can find a listing here [nyc.gov] and good old MapQuest here [mapquest.com].

    My boyfriend and I are going to Goveurnor's on the Lower East Side. You can also call 800.933.BLOOD (800.933.2566) for locations, but good luck getting through.

    Peace, everyone.
  • by KingKire64 (321470) on Tuesday September 11, 2001 @01:44PM (#2279421) Homepage Journal
    Washington Governor Arthur B. Langlie (1900-1966) made the following statement shortly the United States declared war:

    "Your state government is prepared and ready to perform every defense task which has or will be assigned to it. The State of Washington is on the frontier of a great war. We do not know what the future holds in store for us. We do not know what trials we must go through or what sacrifices we will be called upon to make. We do know what is at stake. We know that our country, our liberties and our very homes are threatened. We are individually and as a nation being called upon to make good our pledge of allegiance to flag and country" (Seattle Star).
  • by Arkaein (264614) on Tuesday September 11, 2001 @01:46PM (#2279448) Homepage
    There's been a lot of posts talking about how we need to strike back, and hard. I hope everyone here realizes that's what the terrorists want.

    Terrorism is not about strategy or tacticts, these acts were not battles in a war. they served no strategic or tactical purpose, the group that perpetrated these acts is not going to move in and conquer, or anything like that. The purpose of terrorism is to generate fear and political tension.

    All this commotion the politicians are making is exactly what the terrorists wanted. They have succeeded in the first steps of disrupting American lifestyle. By making huge reactions we're fulfilling the terrorists goals.

    What we need to do is first keep calm and tend to our victims. Second we need to take a few days (at least) to cool off and evaluate ways we can improve security and information access (why was it so hard to figure out which planes crashed? can't we keep track of where a plane is in the air?). Finally, and most difficult, we need to figure how to go back about our lives. We need to show that terrorism is an impotent tool.
  • by fringd (120235) on Tuesday September 11, 2001 @01:48PM (#2279468) Homepage

    all i can think is that this will only mean tightened security. i don't doubt that this might be cited for any number of measures to quash our right to bear cryptography. people will wonder who these folks are, and how they organized. "why," they shall wonder, "didn't the cia or fbi intercept their phone calls, emails, or whatever, and stop them before they acted?"

    what do you think? are they right? do we need to give up our right to privacy to stop tragedies like this? i for one fear what may come of this, ontop of the seemingly staggering death count.

  • by Utopia (149375) on Tuesday September 11, 2001 @01:57PM (#2279596)
    If you plan on helping
    Visit American Red Cross at RedCross.org
    Type your zip code to find your local Redcross chapter or call
    1-800-GIVE-LIFE to make an appointment to donate blood.
  • On another note.. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by SideshowBob (82333) on Tuesday September 11, 2001 @02:04PM (#2279688)
    I personally am mildly disgusted by some of the mainstream media coverage I've seen of the aftermath. I really hate when obnoxious camera crews stick cameras in the faces of obviously traumatized survivors and ask inane questions like 'were you scared?', 'did you see anyone die?', or 'does this make you angry?'

    Sheesh, I wish the media would a) let these people have some dignity, and b) quit asking so many stupid Sally Jessy-esque questions.
  • by Sebastopol (189276) on Tuesday September 11, 2001 @02:06PM (#2279700) Homepage
    In "Fight Club", the plot to take out the skyscrapers seemed cool and funny. And at the end, it seemed carefree and rewarding that the monoliths of capitalism were toppling, I'm sure everyone felt good about that.

    Now seeing people jumping out of windows in terror, thousands crushed burned and killed, a city closed, an infrastructure disabled, and world on high-alert, it doesn't seem so cool anymore.

    I feel the full effect of desensitization in the movies, and I am disturbed that I can't find the right words to communicate with friends who are in the midst of this crisis. Where can compassion be found? I'm not blaming the media for anything, I'm just sharply aware of the before and after I'm feeling toward fightclub vs. the real thing.

    • by puck71 (223721) on Tuesday September 11, 2001 @02:31PM (#2279936) Journal
      The only people in the exploded buildings in "Fight Club" were Tyler's people - in other words, the people in on the plot (suicide bombing if you will). Don't even try to compare the two. 0 innocent lives lost compared to tens of thousands? That's not a comparison. I suggest you watch the movie again and get your facts straight.
  • by captinpoo (520697) on Tuesday September 11, 2001 @02:09PM (#2279737) Homepage
    Any group that has planned this complicated terrorist attack in such a calculated fashion must be expecting a retaliation from the US, and ALOT of the other first world countries. What I am wondering is what they have planned for the aftermath. What are they going to do to the swift responce that is sure to follow.

    The terrorist group that has organized this attack is probably the largest and most organized. But how big are they? they are by no means in size and sophistication as the US, and cannot fight face to face, but will have instead prepared an other extreme action.

    The attacks today were prime targets for 2 reasons. Casualties, and media impact. This has severely shocked America and the rest of the world. What must be done in the future to produce such horrific results?

  • by wbeckler (87039) on Tuesday September 11, 2001 @02:10PM (#2279749)
    I've been getting emails from a friend at Globix, the giant internet exchange in southern Manhattan. Here is the latest news:

    Globix is located on Centre Street south of Canal Street. Businesses south of Canal have been asked to evacuate. The dust from the WTC collapse has forced buildings to shut down their air conditioning. Only a few large computer operations can operate without normal air conditioning, but major exchanges, like the AT&T telephone building and Globix, have backup cooling systems that should hopefully operate in these conditions.

    Globix engineers are taking care of major service problems and trying to prevent potential major problems so they can leave as soon as possible.

    Globix is hooked into the 3 largest backbones that pass through the region, and at least one must still be operating. Email messages originating from Globix are making their way out, but messages sent to Globix are not coming in.

    A telephone call to (212-334-xxxx) from NJ (856-672-xxxx) got through, but no calls to the 718 area code are working. I just received a call from a 212 phone as well.

    My friend at Globix was walking to a class at Sun Microsystems at the World Trade Center when the first plane hit. His view of the collision was obscured, and he was not injured. He commented:

    > I ran down to the woolworth building and stood
    > looking in shock at the North tower, the smoke
    > billowing out of it and the thousands of papers
    > fluttering down against the blue sky. Suddenly
    > I saw something hurtling down the side of the
    > building. It was a man, limbs, tie and suitcoat
    > flailing. several more followed. I turned and
    > slowly walked back towars the sunny, newly
    > renovated park in front of city hall.
    >
    > I heard the second explosion hit, and people
    > began screaming and running past me.
    >
    > As I sit here at my comfortable nest of a
    > workspace, my skin crawls, and I feel sick to
    > my stomach. I have read about events this bad
    > or worse a hundred times in the novels my
    > father derisively terms storybooks, but the
    > reality is completely incomparable. Perhaps he
    > had a point.
    >

    Another friend of mine was in the 70th floor of the second building to get hit, and he made it out alive. I don't yet have the details on that.

    Transportation update (from a Brooklyn friend):
    Subway lines are running off and on, and bridges and tunnels are closed to cars. The W line was still bringing people into Manhattan at 9:30, but that has ceased. The N/R is now running above 14th Street. Pedestrian traffic is allowed on the Brooklyn Bridge and the Manhattan Bridge. People in suits have been streaming over these bridges into Brooklyn all morning.

    Historical Note:
    Today, September 11, is the 28th anniversary of the CIA-led coup that overthrew the democratically elected government headed by Allende in Chile. Why is this relevant? I feel an immense amount of anger towards the people who caused this, and I think the people who caused this are the murderers sitting in Washington D.C. who direct U.S. foreign policy. They recklessly inspire anti-U.S. sentiment in every other country in this world. We ruthlessly bombed civilian targets in Yugoslavia (including water purification sites); we starve the children of Iraq; we blockade Cuba for no good reason; we topple democratically elected socialist governments in order to install pro-U.S. dictatorships. My anger does not direct itself solely towards the government officials who have perpetrated these crimes. I am furious at the millions of Americans who voted for George W. Bush. They are responsible for putting into power a person who is walking all over international agreements about global warming and arms control. And anybody who sits by and pays taxes and watches our imperialistic military and State Department do its dirty work has to take some responsibility for these murders. WAKE UP AMERICA: THIS IS YOUR FAULT. No missile defense shield will protect us from the hate that is justifiably spawned worldwide by our pro-corporate foreign policy.

    Experience of an anarchist:
    When the mail carrier knocked on my door this morning, I was worried that I was about to be taken in by the FBI. If you know what I've been through, you would not think this was a paranoid reaction. There will be a witchhunt following these events, and the U.S. government will probably use it as an excuse to harass activists. Right now the joint anti-terrorism task forces around the country spend most of their money tracking and harassing the anti-corporate activists who have been targeting world financial summits. A good chunk is also spent on the Earth Liberation Front and the Animal Liberation Front, neither of which actually have any members; they are just slogans that autonomous cells apply to their acts of vandalism. Today's events show yet again that money spent on national security does not in fact serve national security, but rather serves the insidious ends of the people controlling this country. Expect there to be calls for more money to fund politically motivated witchhunts against the Left. Expect calls for outlawing consumer use of encryption.

    Finally:
    Eben Moglen, Columbia University Law Professor and general counsel of the FSF once said about the inevitable rise of encrypted communications:

    I don't doubt that there will be downsides. You should accept the truth that harms will be caused, as harms are caused by free speech all the time. But don't let yourself be panicked about this. The world of the twenty-first century will be more free, and will continue to be, as the spooks often say, "a tough neighborhood." Indeed, some bombs will go off; there will be, in Stewart Baker's signature phrase, "some mangled, burnt bodies." You will notice that there are already. But fewer of them will be in Iraqi prisons; none of them will ever again be in a gulag or Lager maintained by a KGB or SS state with a tap on every telephone. And of that you should be very proud, because it is we who will have made it possible.
  • by Braudo (265448) <peregrin@gma[ ]com ['il.' in gap]> on Tuesday September 11, 2001 @02:16PM (#2279827) Homepage
    The National Weather Service put up this amazing picture [noaa.gov]. Is this for real?

    (The link was spotted on BBSpot.com [bbspt.com])
  • by krital (4789) on Tuesday September 11, 2001 @02:32PM (#2279948)
    I just wanted tos ay that I was at the Pentagon this morning, and that everything there seems to be like it's very well under control. There were a bunch of different people there watching the flames be put out - TV stations and such, as well as tourists and residents who, like me, wanted to see what the hell was going on.
    Probably the most interesting thing that happened was talking to one of the officers who works at the Pentagon. She told me not to get any nearer (which I declined to listen to) and then said, I don't know if this was a joke or not, that I should try to stay alive so I could serve the country. God save us if we have to go to war!

    DC is currently in a state of emergency, and almost all the streets are closed - it's pretty eerie. I walked by the state department, and the whole thing is shut down. There are cops and agents from every sort of government department everywhere - you literally can't go a block without seeing a handful sitting around or directing traffic or doing whatever they do. Washingtonians are being pretty calm, though, so there aren't any riots or looting or anything like that.

    Just to give another view on the situation here in DC :)
  • by BigGar' (411008) on Tuesday September 11, 2001 @02:46PM (#2280057) Homepage
    NEW YORK (CNN) -- Terrorists struck the United States Tuesday morning in harrowing, widespread attacks that included at least three commercial jet crashes into significant buildings.

    In the first attack, a plane hits the north tower of the World Trade Center in Manhattan shortly before 9 a.m., followed by another plane into the second tower about 20 minutes later. Both towers later collapse.

    About an hour later, a plane crashes into the Pentagon, part of which later collapses.

    American Airlines tells CNN that it lost two planes, both en route to Los Angeles: American Flight 11 from Boston with 81 passengers and 11 crew aboard is lost. This is believed, but not confirmed, to have been one of the planes that crashed into the trade center. ... American Flight 77, a Boeing 757 from Washington Dulles airport to Los Angeles with 58 passengers and six crew is unaccounted for. Witness says plane that hit Pentagon was an American Airlines Boeing 757.

    United Airlines loses two planes: United Airlines Flight 93 airliner headed from Newark, New Jersey, to San Francisco, crashes near Somerset, Pennsylvania -- police say initial reports indicate no survivors. ... United confirms the crash of Flight 175 from Boston to Los Angeles with 56 passengers and seven crew aboard. It's possible, but not confirmed, that this is the second plane that hit the World Trade Center.

    FBI sources said all four planes that crashed had been hijacked.

    The Pentagon, the White House, the State Department, the Justice Department, the Capitol, the CIA and all other government buildings in Washington are evacuated.

    President Bush calls the crashes "a national tragedy." Later in the day, Bush issues a statement from Barksdale AFB near Shreveport, Louisiana. "Make no mistake: The United States will hunt down and punish those responsible for these cowardly acts."

    In the first-ever national ground stop of aircraft, all flights nationwide are stopped at their departure airports.

    International flights are initially diverted to Canada; FAA says later, however, that 22 U.S.-bound international flights will be allowed to land.

    Mullah Abdul Salam Zaeef, the Taliban ambassador to Pakistan, says in reaction to the terror attacks that "we want to tell the American children that Afghanistan feels your pain and we hope that the courts find justice."

    In New York, more than 10,000 rescue personnel rush to the scene. Evacuation of lower Manhattan begins.

    Israel evacuates all of its missions around the world.

    The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta is evacuated. CDC prepares bioterrorism teams in case they become necessary.

    Philadelphia landmarks are evacuated.

    In Chicago, the Sears Tower is evacuated; United Nations in New York is evacuated.

    Five battleships and two aircraft are deployed along the East Coast of the United States, and two aircraft carriers go to New York area, all from Norfolk, Virginia.

    The New York Port Authority closes all bridges and tunnels into the city.

    U.S. stock markets close after the New York attacks.

    NATO sends home all non-essential personnel from its Brussels, Belgium, headquarters.

    The Immigration and Naturalization Service puts the U.S. borders with Mexico and Canada on highest state of alert.

    Los Angeles International Airport is evacuated.

    Disney closes its parks in Orlando, Florida, and Disneyland in Anaheim, California.

    FEMA implements plan established for such events: FBI leads investigation, and Justice Deptartment heads crisis management.

    Three Palestinian groups -- Hamas, the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine and Islamic Jihad -- deny responsibility for the attacks, but blame U.S. policies in the Mideast.

    Mayor Anthony Williams of Washington, D.C., declares a state of emergency.

    A Delta flight makes emergency landing in Cleveland and all passengers are safely evacuated. Federal officials search the plane for a possible bomb.
  • by Animats (122034) on Tuesday September 11, 2001 @02:52PM (#2280106) Homepage
    The World Trade Center was structurally strong enough to survive being hit by a large aircraft. And it did; the towers were not knocked down. But it had an inadequate fire protection system [nfpa.org], and the fire softened the structural steel, causing building collapse.

    The World Trade Center had inadequate protection systems in the 1993 bombing; the truck bomb in the parking garage knocked out emergency power and the fire pumps. Last time, they didn't even have battery backup on the emergency lighting. The FEMA study of the bombing and fire [fema.gov] indicates only minor upgrades were made to fire protection systems; better emergency lighting and such. No improvements to sprinklers or new fire barriers were made, other than improving backup power to the fire pumps. Most of the improvements were to communications and control.

    This was much worse than it should have been.

    • by F.Prefect (98101) on Tuesday September 11, 2001 @03:55PM (#2280577) Homepage
      Perhaps the fire-supression system was inadequate in many respects. That said, how can you seriously blame the scale of this catastrophe on the fire-supression system? Who in their right mind would equip an office building with a fire-suppression system that could extinguish a fire caused by enough jet fuel to take a 767 across the continent?! I think that even if it were up to a higher standard, it would have been absurd for the designing engineers to say, "hey, let's put in a sprinkler system that could extinguish a fire caused by a 767 slamming into the building with a near-full load of fuel!"
      • by bridgette (35800) on Tuesday September 11, 2001 @05:36PM (#2281614)
        Who in their right mind would equip an office building with a fire-suppression system that could extinguish a fire caused by enough jet fuel to take a 767 across the continent?!

        Apparently, the structural engineer that worked on the WTC would, he's quoted as saying I designed it for a 707 to smash into it.

        http://chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0 10 911kamin-towers.story
  • Insurance Concerns (Score:4, Insightful)

    by UserChrisCanter4 (464072) on Tuesday September 11, 2001 @03:08PM (#2280220)
    Okay, So it's probably safe to assume that a good amount of people in the WTC towers were wealthy investment banker-ish types. Many of these guys were probably the only source of income their families had (since they would probably make enough that their wives didn't have to work). They probably had 1 million+ dollar houses mortgaged, nice cars, etc. So it would probably be safe to assume that their life insurance policies were for several million dollars. Of course, we can't discount that there were also plenty of secretaries/sys admins/janitorial staff/deli proprietors etc. in thee towers as well. Most of them also probably had life insurance policies.

    And of course we have the World Trade Center towers themselves, who are probably insured for billions.

    Well, watching CNN and various other news channels, I keep seeing that many politicians and journalists are calling this "an act of war"

    Folks, what is the one thing that almost no life or property insurance policies cover? You guessed it: WAR!

    We're going to have possibly tens of thousands of families who depended upon a primary wage-earner to survive. These families could potentially be told by insurance companies, "Sorry, but we don't have to provide coverage for your loved ones. It was war...".

    Additionally, we will have whatever group of investors counts on rental income from the WTC go completely to pot, because their property insurance on the buildings will echo the same sentiment.

    As far as I'm concerned, this isn't an act of war, it's an act of terrorism. The "war" clause in insurance policies is there as a last resort... it's meant to protect the insurance companies if half the major cities in the US get nuked to the ground. But I have no doubt that many of these companies will try to use this clause to their advantage.

    I'm going to be sending a letter to my Senators and Representatives in a few days (obviously they have more important things on their minds right now) urging them to pass a temporary law that prevents insurance companies from pulling these sorts of sh> igans. I urge everyone else to do the same.
  • by Telecommando (513768) on Tuesday September 11, 2001 @03:14PM (#2280281)
    Structural design flaws or additional explosives involved? Of course a 757 is bigger than a 707.

    Engineers shocked by
    towers' collapse

    BY BLAIR KAMIN
    Chicago Tribune

    CHICAGO -- The World Trade Center, a
    symbol of American economic might, survived
    one terrorist attack in 1993. It was designed to
    withstand the impact of a jet, but both its
    towers collapsed this morning after planes
    rammed them.

    The structural engineer who designed the
    towers said as recently as last week that their
    steel columns could remain standing if they
    were hit by a 707.

    Les Robertson, the Trade Center's structural
    engineer, spoke last week at a conference on
    tall buildings in Frankfurt, Germany. He was
    asked during a question-and-answer session
    what he had done to protect the twin towers
    from terrorist attacks, according to Joseph
    Burns, a principal at the Chicago firm of
    Thornton-Thomasetti Engineers.

    Burns, who was present, said that Robertson
    said of the center, ``I designed it for a 707 to
    smash into it.''

    Burns, whose firm did the structural engineering
    for the Petronas Twin Towers in Malaysia --
    the world's tallest buildings -- said Robertson
    did not elaborate on the remark. Robertson
    could not be reached early Tuesday.

    Completed in 1972 and 1973, the 110-story
    twin towers were the fifth and sixth tallest
    buildings in the world. One World Trade
    Center, finished in 1972, was briefly after its
    construction the world's tallest building. The towers have been called
    ``a monumental gate to New York and the United States.''

    They withstood the 1993 attack, when a bomb-laden van exploded,
    killing six people and injuring more than 1,000.

    Closely spaced steel columns that ringed their perimeter held up the
    World Trade Center towers. Chicago's Aon Center (formerly the
    Amoco Building), completed in 1973, uses a similar support system,
    known to structural engineers as a ``tube.''

    Shocked by the building's collapse, structural engineers pointed to fire
    as the likely cause of the structural failure.

    ``Fire melts steel,'' Burns said. In addition, he said, the impact of the
    plane could have severely damaged the building's sprinklers, allowing
    the fire to rage, despite fireproofing supposed to protect steel columns
    and beams.

    ``You never know in an explosion like that whether they (the
    sprinklers) get cut off,'' Burns said.

    Architects Minoru Yamasaki and Associates, in association with
    Emery Roth & Sons, designed the World Trade Center.

    The structural engineers were the firm of Skilling, Helle, Christiansen,
    Robertson. The developer was The Port Authority of New York and
    New Jersey.

    Tuesday's attack marked the second time that a plane has crashed
    into a New York City skyscraper, although the first incident was an
    accident.

    In 1945, a B-25 flying at 200 miles per hour slammed into the 78th
    and 79th floors of the Empire State Building, gouging an
    18-by-20-foot hole 913 feet above the streets of Manhattan. The
    pilot, Lt. Col. William F. Smith Jr., had been heading from New
    York's LaGuardia Airport to Newark, N.J., when he became
    disoriented.

    Fourteen people died in the crash and the fire that followed -- three
    people in the plane and 11 in what was then the world's tallest
    building.

    Like the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, which also was struck
    by a plane, provided a sizable and symbolic target.

    The Pentagon is the world's largest office building, with a total of 6.5
    million square feet, serves as headquarters for the world's most
    powerful military. Sears Tower, by comparison, has about 3.5 million
    square feet of office space.
  • by FFFish (7567) on Tuesday September 11, 2001 @03:20PM (#2280329) Homepage
    Why would Palestinian terrorists target the USA?

    Well, perhaps because the USA has exacerbated the mid-East problems, rather than help reduce them.

    From BigEye's Foreign Correspondent [bigeye.com]. No idea how truthful all this is, mind you, but I'm fairly sure it's worth consideration:

    BUSH FIDDLES WHILE PALESTINE BURNS

    NEW YORK - Pre-election concerns that George W. Bush had a weak grasp of world affairs have been confirmed by a succession of ideology-driven blunders and amateurish fumbles made by his administration that have damaged America's interests and image around the globe.

    To whit: trying to rush the anti-missile defense project when there was no need for haste; the tactless rejection of the Kyoto environment accords; Washington's crude enlistment of India in a new anti-Chinese alliance; boycotting this weekend's UN racism conference at Durban: and, most disturbingly, fiddling while Palestine burns.

    Who, one wonders, is running US foreign policy? Certainly not the nearly invisible `stealth' Secretary of State Colin Powell. America's first black Secretary of State was not allowed to go to an African-oriented conference in Durban because Israel was being accused of racism.

    Last week, Bush berated PLO chief Yasser Arafat for failing to end `Palestinian violence.' Soon after, Israel assassinated Mustafa Zibri, a senior Palestinian political leader, by firing Maverick missiles from Apache helicopter gunships into his office.

    The next day, Israeli M-60 tanks and M-113 armored personnel carriers occupied the Palestinian Christian town of Beit Jala.

    Meanwhile, it has been revealed that Israel is using the M494 105mm APERS-T tank round against Palestinians. This deadly round, designed for use against enemy anti-tank missile crews, disperses a conical spray of 5,000 tiny, razor-sharp darts known as flechettes. In the past, Israel has also used anti-personnel cluster bombs against Palestinian refugee camps.

    All of the above-noted weapons were supplied to Israel by the United States. Israel is also using an arsenal of other US-supplied weapons, from F-16 fighters to M-16 rifles, against Palestinians. Israeli-designed Merkava tanks `pacifying' rebellious Palestinians were built with US military aid.

    Israel is the largest ever recipient of US foreign aid - at least $91 billion since 1949, a sum that could have bought four complete aircraft carrier battle groups ( about 80 ships) for the US Navy. Each year, Israel gets $3-5 billion in US aid.

    The 1998 Wye River `peace' accords negotiated by President Clinton gave Israel an extra US $380 million for Apache helicopter gunships and armored vehicles - both currently being used against Palestinians. Just before leaving office, Clinton, quietly sent Congress a request for an additional US$800 million in military aid for Israel, a gift no doubt aimed at securing his future in publishing and Hollywood. Soon after, in a startling coincidence, Clinton received a book contract for $12 million.

    Many American conservatives and Jewish Americans are praising Bush for giving Israel's rightwing government carte blanche to crush the Palestinian uprising and assassinate its leadership. VP Dick Cheney has repeatedly accused Palestinian of `terrorism' while praising Israel's `restraint.' One wonders what Washington's response would be if the PLO began assassinating Israeli politicians who advocate murdering or ethnic cleansing of Palestinians.

    Israel brushes aside occasional tut-tuts from the US State Department, and ignores charges its American-supplied weapons are being used in direct violation of the US Arms Export Control Act, which forbids recipients use of American arms except for national self defense in wartime.

    The White House and US Congress, fearful of antagonizing the Israel lobby, have refused to address this issue. Ironically, it was left to Gush Shalom, the courageous Israeli peace movement, to protest to Bush the clearly illegal use of American arms against Palestinians.

    It is increasingly clear that unless the mayhem in Palestine is ended, the entire Mideast could careen towards an explosion. Ariel Sharon, Israel's rightwing Prime Minister, has painted himself into a corner by vowing to crush the `intifada' and never allow a viable Palestinian state. Having provoked the current uprising, and vowed to break its back, Sharon now finds himself trapped in a cycle of violence, terror and counter-terror.

    Sharon's only answer so far is more of what he has done his entire career: blowing up houses, assassination, martial law, collective punishments. Now Sharon's aides are hinting at attacks against Syria, Lebanon, Iran, and even Egypt. Israeli critics are warning the Sharon is running amok and must be reigned in.

    Given Sharon's adamant refusal to halt Jewish colonization or allow a Palestinian state, Palestinians have no reason to halt their uprising. Only America has the power to push the two sides into an eventual peace agreement.

    Israel's brutal repression of the Palestinian `intifada' is being telecast around the globe, producing rage against Israel and its patron, the United States, and a worldwide surge of anti-semitism. America's strategic and economic interests across the Mideast and Muslim World are being threatened by the agony of Palestine, which inevitably invites terrorist attacks against US citizens and property.

    President Bush needs to act urgently. He needs to help Sharon find a way out of the corner in which he is stuck. Sharon has left himself no line of political retreat - other than being seen to bow to irresistible American pressure. Bush and VP Dick Cheney should cease helping Israel's rightwing and its American media mouthpieces demonize Yasser Arafat, who, however guilty of condoning violence, is the man with whom Israel has to make peace. Being rightwing does not automatically make one right.

    Bush's vanishing act over the Mideast has handed the initiative by default to Arab and Israeli extremists. Unless the US forcefully intervenes, Hamas suicide bombers and Sharon's death squads will determine policy. The result will be a disaster for Jews and Arabs alike.

    Bush is being irresponsible and dishonest by pretending America has nothing to do with this horrible mess. America has everything to do with it and could stop the carnage overnight if the White House showed sufficient political will and courage. Bush needs to recall the old adage, he who pays the piper, calls the tune.

    Copyright: Eric S. Margolis 2001

    Again, perhaps this fellow is lying or out-to-lunch. But if what he states is truthful, I think it's fair to say that the fanatics have just cause to be pissed off (and that's not to say that they are excused for being terrorists.)
  • Pearl Harbor (Score:4, Insightful)

    by The_Shadows (255371) <thelureofshadows@@@hotmail...com> on Tuesday September 11, 2001 @04:01PM (#2280618) Homepage
    This is the worst attack on America. Ever. The destruction at Pearl Harbor can only begin to compare with the carnage that has taken place in America today. September 11, 2001 is a day that will live on in infamy. It is an unprovoked attack on American soil.

    For those who don't seek vengeance, I can only say that you are likely not living in America. There will be a reckoning. Whoever did this, and it's looking like Bin Ladin, will be found an eradicated. Whoever is harboring them will be eradicated. Whoever defends them will be eradicated. War is now inevitable.

    Good may eventually come of it, as good did eventually come from Pearl Harbor and WWII. But for the time being, we will be mobilizing, preparing for war. We were shocked. Now we are angry.

    And anyone who says that we're going to war because "Bush is crzy enough to start one" as I've heard people say (though haven't looked closely on the forum here) is dead wrong. We will be going because it's the right thing to do. We need, firstly, to show the world that we will not be shaken by this, and to show the world what happens when you fsck with the USA. Any potential president, Bush, Gore, Nader, Bud Brown, Clinton, anyone would be looking for a perpetrator right now with the intent to kill. We can see this.

    From a purely political standpoint, the nation is calling for vengeance. Any preisdent who sought re-election for himself or anyone in his party would commit political suicide otherwise.

    This is edited slightly for content, mostly for length:

    "The United States of America was suddenly and deliberately attacked. The United States was at Peace with the world. We have been looking towards the maintenacne of world peace. This attack was deliberately planned days or even weeks ago. The attack on our cities has caused damage to civilians and economic centers. Very many America lives have been lost.

    The facts, so far, today speak for themselves. The American people have already formed their opinions, and well undertstand the implications to the very life and safety of our nation. The commander in chief has directed our forces in our defense. Always, will our whole nation remember the character of the onslaught against us.

    No matter how long it may take us to overcome this premeditated invasion, the America people in their righteous might will win through to absolute victory. We will not only defend ourselves to the uttermost, but we will make certain that this form of treachery shall never again endanger us again. We will gain the inevitable triumph, so help us God.
    This was an unprovoked and dastardly attack on the united states."

    Franklin D. Roosevelt, December 8, 1941

    December 7, 1941. A day that has lived on in infamy. September 11, 2001 will live on in infamy now as well.

    Never again. Never.
  • by Phrogman (80473) on Tuesday September 11, 2001 @04:07PM (#2280651) Homepage

    There is a report on the CBC website [www.cbc.ca] that Canadian Fighters have forced down two Korean aircraft [cbc.ca] in Whitehorse in the Yukon. It is believed that at least one of the jets was hijacked. It is currently surrounded by RCMP and the local Military from what I understand.

    Here is the article since the site is hard to reach at the moment:

    Suspect 747 escorted down in Yukon

    WebPosted Tue Sep 11 15:44:33 2001

    TORONTO - Schools and government offices in Whitehorse, Yukon were evacuated Tuesday as jet fighters escorted two commercial airliners to unscheduled landings, after aviation authorities suspected one of the aircraft may have been hijacked.

    One of the airliners is a Korean Airlines 747, the other an unknown 747. Both landed at Whitehorse airport. The jet fighters continue to circle over Whitehorse.

    Peter Novak of CBC Radio in Whitehorse told CBC News Online that aviation authorities said one of the aircraft may have been hijacked. Novak said highways in and out of town may have been closed, and a bomb squad was at the airport.

    The identified Korean aircraft is believed to have been low on fuel and was redirected to Whitehorse.

    Canadian transportation officials have also shut down all airports in Canada indefinitely as U.S.-bound international flights arrive on Canadian runways.

    All domestic and international flights have been grounded as a precautionary measure after a series of attacks on high-profile targets in the United States.

    Transportation Minister David Collenette says Canada is taking security very seriously and will be carefully monitoring the situation.

    Prime Minister Jean Chretien has condemned what he called a "cowardly attack" south of the border and pledged full assistance to the U.S. He assured Canadians to remain calm, noting that the government was increasing security.

    Canada's Department of Foreign Affairs has issued a phone number for anyone worried about friends or family in the New York area. Spokesperson Marie Lilkoff says Canadians can call 1-800-387-3124 for information.

    U.S. flights diverted to Canada

    The United States Federal Aviation Authority had earlier ordered all international flights to the United States to be diverted to Canada.

    Airports throughout Atlantic Canada are beginning to receive a large influx of flights. Moncton, N.B., and St. John's, Nfld., expect up to 25 diverted planes, and CFB Goose Bay in Labrador expects close to 60 unscheduled landings.

    Halifax airport says they currently have 23 planes on the ground and expect 27 more. The RCMP will search all of the passengers' luggage and they will be transported to large sports facilities in the city for the night. All the hotels in Halifax are full.

    Passengers arriving in St. John's will be put up in hotels, conference centres and private homes. Many Toronto residents are also offering their homes to travellers stranded at Pearson Airport.

    "All Canadian airspace has been closed other than for inbound overseas flights," said Calgary Airport Authority spokesperson Mike Cunnington.

    Effects across Canada

    All Canadian border traffic to New York state is limited. Border guards are on high alert and inspecting all vehicles, said Serge Charette, national president for the customs union. He says travellers with a valid reason to be in either country will be allowed through.

    The Chief of Maritime staff in Halifax has ordered a lock-down and has posted guards at the gates the navy dockyards and the Shearwater air base.

    The rocket-proof gates of the U.S. Embassy in Ottawa were surrounded by police cruisers and plain-clothes officers. Public Affairs officer Buck Shenkman says security will increase, but the embassy will remain open.

    The Canadian Blood Services is urging people to contact their local donor branch in a cross-country effort for blood donations to ship to emergency centres in the U.S.

    In Ontario, Premier Mike Harris offered his province's full support to the U.S. government, including medical support.

    Many office complexes in Toronto allowed their employees to leave work as a precaution, jamming subways and the downtown train station. The CN Tower has also been shut down.

    The CN tower belongs to the World Federation of Tall Towers, along with the World Trade Centre and the two work together frequently.

    "Quite a few of CN Tower staff work with World Trade Center staff. There was a lot of back and forth travel in the last month. We both belong to the same industry association and this tragedy has hit us personally," commented Bud Purves, President and GM of the CN Tower.

    Written by CBC News Online staff

  • by SpaceGhost (23971) on Tuesday September 11, 2001 @04:50PM (#2281087)
    A couple of days ago I heard a report about a Palistinian village. Israel had suspected that terrorists were there, so Israeli tanks surrounded the village, bombarded it, and left. It was a small report, almost an aside to the main news, which was lots of talk about the U.S. economy, and how not EVERYONE had a job.

    I kept thinking about that village. I wondered what it would feel like, to feel afraid for your life, to not know where they might strike next.

    Now I know. Today at work I kept looking out the window, reassured to see the un-marred Houston skyline. I thought of the many possible stategic sites that could be hit in Houston, of refineries that could spew poisens for days, of skyscrapers here full of people.

    And I thought of that Palistinian village. They've been living with this kind of terror for months, even years.

    This attack did not occur in a vacuum. Certainly those responsible committed a horrible act. But responding with another horrible act wouldn't help. Do we blow up Afghanni families, just in case it was Osama Bin Laden? Do we push the Israelis to attack large Palistinian areas, only to find it was another Timothy McVey?

    Regardless of whether one agrees with the current administrations foreign policies, it would be reasonable to recognize a very real arrogance in the dispensation of those policies. The United States acts like it is the invulnerable master, the king of the hill, casting justice and consensus aside. Just this week the US refused to participate in a UN conference on racism. We do anything we want, and dare anyone to try and do anything about it.

    Someone did. It would only make things worse to react in an agressive military fashion. Certainly justice must be served, but it should be measured, accurate and appropriate.

    America is a special place, luckier than most humans have ever seen. We spend most of our time planning parties and designing toys. When something like this happens we should step back, look at the BIG picture, and reflect - what have we done to help? Has any one of us written to a congressman, expressing concern over continued financial support of the heavy-handed Israelis? How many of us even NOTICE what our foreign policy is?

    Several media reports have referred to this as a second Pearl Harbour. We would be wise to recall that our enemies in that conflict are now some of our staunchest allies. Also forgotten was the American blockade of fuel oil to Japan, precipitating the attack.

    This morning the first person I talked to after I heard the news was a black man in an auto parts store. He was lamenting the fighting in the middle east, pointing out that here in Houston such strife is all but unthinkable. The Hispanic parts salesman and I agreed.

    The United States is a unique culture, made up of disparate cultures themselves sometimes at odds with each other in their respective homelands. Now one of these conflicts has struck our home. A strong response is appropriate, but we should also look at our actions and attitudes, and take what measure of responsibility is ours. Then, maybe instead of dealing with a symptom, we can address a cause - perhaps even right a wrong.

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