Intel's Tualatin P3 118
DavoKid writes: "Intel rolls out the .13 micron Pentium III processor based on the Tualatin core at 1.2GHz. This chip really shines and overclocks to 1.47GHz. The benchmarks are fairly impressive too!
Reviews at: HotHardware, Anandtech, and Tech Report." Also given plenty of attention is Intel's new D815EEA2 motherboard, since that appears to be about the only choice for the new chip. The consensus seems to be that this chip is at least intended to be "the new Celeron," but marketed also as a power-frugal chip to impress server-farms with electrical savings.
Re:Here we go again (Score:1)
Oh, and if you want hard numbers, go read up the distributed.net stats. Granted, they are a mathmatically narrow way of looking at it, but they certainly show how low MHz PPC chips do very will against high MHz x86 chips.
Also, congratulations on your purchase of a Dell computer. You get what you pay for.
Re:What would YOU do with 10GHz? (Score:1)
Re:What would YOU do with 10GHz? (Score:1)
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Intel Naming Scheme (Score:1)
New names for Intel... (Score:5)
Now shipping? (Score:2)
(BTW, my box at home is still a 550 MHz PIII Katmai, the last one produced on 0.25 micron. I have major process-shrink envy.)
Re:Uhh... (Score:2)
Lower power and slower speeds are the future (Score:2)
Obviously at 1.2 Ghz Intel has stepped back from the speed deamon days of 1.4Ghz P4's and started retooling for lower power consumption and portability. Those of us who want to crunch numbers will have to spend big bucks for mainframish chips with weird names and companies with 3 letter names.
Re:What would YOU do with 10GHz? (Score:1)
(with all due respect to raster and mandrake)
enlightenment and gtk+ pixmap themes....
Re:What would YOU do with 10GHz? (Score:2)
Vector graphics for 32bit-600dpi colour displays, fewer compromises in voice recognition, some of those cumbersome comp-sci alorithms to deal with stuff like process starvation, richer GUI programming environments, condensing server clusters into single machines, real-time dvd-quality video compression, games games and more games...
Most importantly perhaps for the short term, lower energy comsumption in Notebooks, fanless silent desktops, stuff like that.
Finally it can be used for the ultimate user interface... specialized devices which are cheap, disposable, portable and secure. The high end of technology pulls the low end with it.
Re:Uhh... (Score:2)
Having both a degree in Psychology, and working in an IT job, I'd bet that it's more like 1% of patients reporting a lot of this stuff. My grandmother swore that Sudafed made her drowsy, never mind that it's a stimulant. People always like to blame their meds for causing some problem with them. They'll report that the test drug caused diahhrea, and forget to mention that they ate four pounds of greasy Mexican food the night before.
Kind of like the users who swear that installing the latest version of Netscape caused their printer to break.
In short, you'd be surprised at the large large number of people who don't or can't grasp the concept that correlation doesn't equal causation.
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Re:New names for Intel... (Score:1)
Re:Uhh... (Score:1)
Intel Code name (Score:1)
Re:Heat.. (Score:1)
Re:For the ones complaining about the name: (Score:1)
The Tualatin, just like the Willamette, and the Columbia, and the Deschutes, and some more I can't think of, are in fact, rivers.
The clever practice of naming chips after rivers has been revealed by someone who's fallen into the Tualatin River and survived without mutation.
And it's pronounced 'too-wall-ah-tin'. There's a city [tualatin.or.us]. With a crawfish festival [tualatincrawfish.com].
Here we go again (Score:2)
The 750MHz PPC is much faster than a Pentium III at 750MHz. As far as I know the 750MHz PPC is about equal to ~ 1.1GHz PIII in most operations.
There is of course faster x86s than PIII-1.1GHz, but it is definitly not the slowest x86.
Re:New names for Intel... (Score:1)
Tualitin is the name of the plains Hillsboro sits on, as well as a city south of Portland.
Williamette is the name of the river running through Portland, as well as the region overall (Williamette Valley).
More likely, Intel will name new stuff things like Boring, Portland, Forest Grove, Tigard, Beaverton, Columbia, Hood, or other locale names...
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Pronunciation - Re:Uhh... (Score:2)
It's a river in Oregon.
Re:Multi Processor Boxes (Score:5)
Megahertz Myth? (Score:1)
What's the consensus around here about such things? I get the impression that the AMD/Intel competition keeps the x86 arch on the cheaper end that PPC for obvious reasons.
It's kind of annoying that it is hard to know what to trust and how to benchmark different chips. Overall, the CPU only makes up a portion of the package when you buy a PC (RAM, HDD, Optical disk, video, etc being others), but it has traditionally had mindshare of being important beyond such other things. And people tend to only look at clockspeed.
What's the best way to compare these things?
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Re:What would YOU do with 10GHz? (Score:3)
Consider how much slower a general-purpose CPU like the P3 is compared to custom hardware like the NVidia GeForce3 for doing realtime 3D. You probably would neet a 10GHz or better P3 to equal the performance of the GeForce3 at this task.
With the increasing popularity of video-processing on consumer desktops, it would be nice to see hardware manufacturers putting some hardware into their cards to support encoding functionality, as well as just augmenting software decoding.
Realtime MPEG-4 encoding is not out of the question, since realtime MPEG-2 encoding is now a consumer-level proposition - TiVO, cards from hauppage etc..
It would be interesting to see Matrox take back some market share by building a programmable video compression engine onto one of it's upcoming cards.
They have tried this with the 'Rainbow Runner' and it's ilk, but these products were never billed as a 'Complete PVR and DVD-ripping station', which i'm sure would be vastly more attractive to joe average than 'Record and edit your own home videos'
This is not to say that a 10GHz CPU would not be nifty, but rather you could get more done with a set of lower-clocked chips, each optimised for specific functions.
Oh... not I815 again... (Score:1)
BTW I would like to know if any of you ran memtest86 [memtest86.com] on i810/815 boards... I did on several ones and I got some pretty nice errors... so I fall back to my oldie PII. At least this one works 7/24.
Álvaro Lopes
Re:Uhh... (Score:1)
Re:New PIII hampered by old-tech FPU (Score:2)
Re:Here we go again (Score:2)
Re:Here is the most interesting part... (Score:2)
Re:Here is the most interesting part... (Score:2)
Re:Here is the most interesting part... (Score:2)
Re:What would YOU do with 10GHz? (Score:1)
Yep! And I'm still wondering why the school decided to upgrade the 486 machines in my lab to PIII 800's (the data streams in at one rate and the IBM Aptiva's handled it perfectly).. It all comes down to Marketing! If you're going to show off the lab to perspective students, you need new hardware.. Dumb!
There is a few motherboards out for Tualatins (Score:1)
Re:Megahertz Myth? (Score:1)
Re:Intel Code name (Score:1)
In most cases the codename for something turns out to be better than the name they actually come up with, but I make an exception for Tualatin, except in dual processor configuration when they become "duallie Tuallies". Coppermine-T shall be the proper way to accurately refer to this core.
I suppose "Pentium" is fine so long as you're used to the notion of goofy names like Tualatin, Horseheads, Owatonna, or just about any city in Pennsylvania, but for the rest of us, Pentium still sucks as a name. The only processor name I've really liked is Xeon. I think it was a dumb idea to start naming processors like Korean subcompacts instead of European sports cars.
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Re:Now shipping? (Score:2)
Uhh... (Score:2)
Intel is getting ridiculous. At least i can pronounce my processor. Power PC G4 "GEEE FOUR" Easy =)
Re:New PIII hampered by old-tech FPU (Score:2)
P4 also only does 2 FP ops/second but outperforms K7 by about 50% on SPECfp. FP performance typically has more to do with memory bandwidth than with the speed of the FP unit.
Re:Uhh... (Score:1)
Thanks! I could not tell if that was "guh-four" or "giga four".
Have you seen my Omega Hadron?
Re:so small! (Score:1)
It's better than having a "chip" on your shoulder.
quite a speed boost (Score:1)
Re:What would YOU do with 10GHz? (Score:2)
a 10Ghz cpu would really help voice & handwriting recognition.
besides other intensive apps like compiling, editing video (more in demand than you might think) faster processors mean you can revise your approach to your problems.
Remember when OS's and a lot of apps (such as Windows 3) were written mainly in assembler?
As machines get faster we are able to increase the complexity of the systems we use. As usual it is a double edged sword. There does come a time when we should throw out all of our slow cpu based software and start again. The free unixes are fabulous and I use them every day but I also want them to die. I'm a plan9 user and fan (I had to mention it in somewhere
It does amuse me, however, that I use faster and faster computers financed mostly by editing plain text with vi
Multi Processor Boxes (Score:2)
Re:Uhh... (Score:1)
An unfortunate thing is, that due to (too?) strict FDA regulations, _all_ side effects, no matter how dubious they appear, have to be included in reports. So, having just one hypocondriac (or however it's spelled) might get your medicine a nice little list of side effects... :-)
I'm sure it is intended to make sure that pharmaceutical companies won't try to sweep valid side effect reports under the carpet, but the downside is the long list of horrible side-effects, yes, even for sugar pills. Kind of like reverse placebo effect?
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Re:New PIII hampered by old-tech FPU (Score:1)
It would be kind of interesting to see some estimations on current mix of assembly instructions by category, for "typical set of applications" (defined in some reasonably sane sense). Wouldn't be too surprised if dudes at Intel had used such estimations on deciding to use an outdated FPU, actually.
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Re:At some point.. (Score:2)
I'm just making an educated guess here, but I would strongly suspect that any 'Duron 4' would be a reduced cache version of the Athlon 4, just as the Celeron and Duron were cache-inhibited versions of their siblings. As well as this, I'm sure AMD want to maximise the number of chips with their new instructions on as well; the enhanced performance of Athlon 4, just like the Pentium 4 relies to some extent on those new features being exploited.
ITANIUM (Score:1)
beats the Athlon4 the old athlon wasn't called the athlon3 (I know it was the third evolution of that chip, so what). Which is blatantly trying to have the same name as the P4.
Re:What would YOU do with 10GHz? (Score:1)
I do.
Re:Intel (Score:1)
We saw the same thing with the celery FSB clock speed.
Intel is always extremely conserned with it's lowend processors competing with its top of the line. Check out the Tom's Hardware review about 2 months ago when they got their hands on a high power Tulatin. Those marketing fools just figured they could kill 2 birds with 1 stone by lowering power (which hurts performance) and calling it "mobile" or "low power".
There isn't one (Score:1)
The only thing you can do, is try and look at a variety of benchmarks, that put the chips on equal playing ground.
Make sure benchmarks or apps have optimized code for the processor they are running on, and make sure the setup is the same for both processors.
Much of the code that runs on the P4 isn't optimized for it, the optimized stuff runs much faster. Apple's G4 can perform really well on certain benchmarks but they never show the ones that suffer.
Anyway it is a difficult process to say the least. Thats why Tom writes entire articles comparing chips for a living.
Re:What would YOU do with 10GHz? (Score:1)
Itanium uses EPIC (Score:1)
Don't feed the trolls!
You wish! (Score:2)
About motherboards: Do you know who is making the new MP chipset? AMD themselves--and according to all reports, it rocks. And it's not like Intel hasn't had its share of problems with chipsets. Sure, Athlon+VIA will always probably suck, but for the same amount of money as a P4+MB you'll always be able to buy a faster Athlon with a better MB.
I personally think the P4 is Intel's curse, and bad news for them is far from over. I would be biting my fingernails if the earnings of my company depended entirely on something as shoddy as the P4 design.
Anyone who's checked pricewatch [pricewatch.com] would have to be insane to buy a P4.
Re:Heat.. (Score:1)
Re:Intel Code name (Score:1)
Back in the beginning people did think Pentium was a stupid name. Now, nothing weird about it. You just get used to it.
Anyway don't make fun of it. Plenty of people live in Tualatin, drive on the Tualatin Valley highway, etc...
Re:Intel Code name (Score:1)
Anyway the Israel references come because Intel has a big fab and research center over there.
Re:Intel Code name (Score:1)
By the way, the next city over from Tualatin is called Beaverton.
Re:New names for Intel... (Score:1)
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Re:Multi Processor Boxes (Score:3)
thursday
best moderation ever.
Re:Uhh... (Score:3)
You forgot "results similar to sugarpill"
Since when does a sugarpill induce vomiting, nausea, headaches in 0.0001% of patients studied?
Makes you wonder about some of these people who sign up for these mediacation studies, eh?
"Now, mr Smith, we are prepared to pay you $50 a week to participate in our estrogen replacement therapy trial. You will be part of the study in which we will secretly replace the hormone pills with a harmless placebo, ok?"
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Re:New names for Intel... (Score:1)
-- Judas96
"...don't take a nerf bat to a knife fight." - Joe Rogan, said on News Radio
Re:Heat.. (Score:1)
Re:Here we go again (Score:1)
Heres One for you - straight from the horses mouth: http://www.macworld.com/2001/07/buzz/ppcvpentium.
Im tired of this mhz!=real life speed argument. The fact is you maclots scream and whine and try to drive that point home so much (which I do agree with by the way - take any Alpha chip as an example) you absolutely forgot that you had to provide real life numbers in order to really back these claims up.
And as far as the heat a PPC generates is concerned all I have to say is BULLSHIT. Take a long hard look at the HUGE heatsink sitting on those chips in any of the Apple boxes for a clear explanation as to what I mean. The P4 may have a 1 lb heatsink - but so does the G4. Why is it that you think it took them YEARS to get a G4 into a laptop? Why is it that you think everybody complains about the heat generated for a TiBook?
Yes I owned a dual 450 G4 when those first came out. It was a decent box. But the P3 1ghz dell I replaced it with three months later just slices and dices it in every way shape and form. And it was half the price.
I could go on and on and refute your claims - but its a waste of my time. Your RDF is fully engaged and I accept that as a reality. Its too bad that you are unable to do that same regarding the fact that the G4 is simply outclassed by modern x86 chips.
Gam
"Flame at Will"
Re:Here is the most interesting part... (Score:1)
As far as the NForce goes - I say wait and see what happens. Its bit pricy for an intergated chipset so it will be interesting to gauge the market acceptance for such a product.
If anything the Nforce has brought us Dual Channel DDR Ram - perhaps now DDR will be able to fully compete with Rambus memory (Say what you will but Rambus is clearly superior to its competitors - submissions proving otherwise will be considered.)
Oh yeah one more thing - the Nforce will force the fools at Creative to get off their collective asses and produce something New for change. Afterall the sound portion of the Nforce makes the SBLive look like crap from what I understand.
Gam
"Flame at WIll"
Re:Here we go again (Score:1)
Sample: http://n0cgi.distributed.net/speed/query.cgi?cput
There is an entry for a PowerPC G4 with a speed of 417,928,832. That smells like.... bullshit!
Gam
"Flame at Will"
Re:Here is the most interesting part... (Score:1)
Gam
Re:Here we go again (Score:1)
Besides the OGR results you provided is wrong - its really 5.3 instead of 6.5 you misrepresented it as.
Either way - these results are user submitted and not verified in any way shape or form. Reliance upon numbers such as these is exactly why so many maclots are living in the RDF.
I will admit that clock for clock the G4 is faster at CERTAIN tasks - but the question remains, just how much faster? It depends upon the operation and the fact is - not many people are doing RC5 and OGR work.
But when I achieve double the framerate in Quake III (or any game for that matter - the video card is a mute point because the G4 is so limited for that kind of processing), choose from a LARGE number of operating systems (more than 3 or 4), go into any computer store and buy a component to place into my PC, and get all that at HALF the price of a PC - you let me know and I'll probably make the mistake of purchasing a macintosh again.
Gam
This Conversation is OVER. You have annoyed me enough.
Re:Here we go again (Score:1)
Re:Intel Naming Scheme (Score:2)
What piles the irony on even thicker is that Tom's Hardware got their hands on a prerelease version a month or so back and found out that it overclocked to be even faster than a P4 at the same speed. At the time the author of the article had a hunch that Intel might not even bother releasing it because of the marketing snafu it would cause.
/Brian
Re:New names for Intel... (Score:2)
/Brian
Re:Uhh... (Score:1)
Re:How about two processors on one die? (Score:1)
Re:Intel Code name (Score:1)
The "release" name Pentium was created by some marketing name-creating droid, the same fine folks who gave us Agilent [salon.com] et. al. Penta evokes "5" (the 586) while the "ium" supposed to evoke an elemental ingredient, like plutonium.
The reason for this was the old AMD and Cyrix vs Intel disputes. Intel used to use them as external fabs, they had access to designs and such. When the 486 came out, Intel wanted to bring stuff back in-house, and also distance with the other guys, make them sound cooler. So, they tried to trademark i486, for the real Intel blessed 486. Judge laughed, you can't trademark numbers. Next time around, they came up with a trademarkable name, the Pentium. That begat the 5x86 and 6x86 from Cyrix, and Athlon and Duron, cause now all the cool kids had to have names.
Re:There isn't one (Score:2)
Even this isn't enough. In the case of PowerPC vs. Intel, because of the AltiVec unit, the problem set can be chosen to be better on one system vs. another.
The entire thing right now I think some folks miss seeing in the race to have the best is that 99% of stuff out there will do what most folks need. I had a friend (thanks to Intel Inside-eous marketing) ask me if his 800Mhz Celeron would let him surf the Internet faster. Umm, Idunno if libpr0n has been optimized for MMX, but I'd say yeah.
On another note with 'optimized' benchmarks. I remember some story of some UNIX vendor a long time ago that rewrote their compiler so that it would detect a certain canned benchmark. If would then "optimize" it to become nothing but a giant no-op loop. You can go through a loop pretty fast if it does nothing. For some reason they always won that benchmark test. Though they obviously violated the spirit of the benchmark, thoy could honestly claim they were the fastest through that code. Be careful what you're testing.
Re:At some point.. (Score:1)
Most people look at a chip primarily by the clockspeed--higher MHz sells better.
Re:For the ones complaining about the name: (Score:1)
Admittedly as clock speeds increase it's obvious what version it is (i.e. there is only one 1.3 GHz Athlon - for now). But oftentimes the overlap requires those who follow the industry to mention the development name so they know exactly which one they are talking about.
Right now you can call up most computer stores and say, "I want a 1.3 GHz Thunderbird." and they will know exactly what you want.
Until AMD and Intel come up with distinct names for each chip generation, the internal names will be known and used by people in the hardware business.
Re:Uhh... (Score:5)
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Re:New names for Intel... (Score:5)
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Re:New PIII hampered by old-tech FPU (Score:2)
This won't be the same forever, as Intel brings its price down, and now that AMD has (in my mind) more then established itself as a solid competitor we should soon see a all out pitched battle for supremacy that should in the end have a net benefit for the consumer. (Well here's hoping at least)
Geoffrey Cameron Peart
McMaster Software Engineering
New PIII hampered by old-tech FPU (Score:4)
The poor FPU performance is why I don't think there will be much interest in the new CPU, especially since the 1,200 MHz Athlon CPU will substantially out-perform the new PIII CPU with any application that is FPU-intensive such as CAD and illustration programs.
Re:Uhh... (Score:1)
Re:What would YOU do with 10GHz? (Score:1)
Still, I'm sure you're right, and I have faith that the market for this sort of thing will improve. But I was really just trying to make a point about the old "we don't need more speed" argument...
You ALWAYS need more speed. If someone can't figure out what to do with more CPU power, they don't have much imagination.
Re:What would YOU do with 10GHz? (Score:2)
With my 1GHz Athlon, it takes ~10 hours to encode 1 hour of MPEG-2 DVD video (720x480 MPEG-2 7M-9M/s).
A 10GHz CPU with linear scaling from my current 1GHz CPU would reduce the time from about 10 hours to about 1 hour. So, if I could just get a 100GHz CPU, I would finally be able to encode 2 hours of MJPEG DV or VHS capture in just about 12 minutes.
That would be nice.
Re:Multi Processor Boxes (Score:1)
You have completely missed the point (Score:1)
Anyhow, anyone who buys the P3 will probably want it because it's cheaper, it works in their old P3 socket, it uses less power, etc. It could replace the Celeron line temporarily.
If it does have the old FPU (and we don't really know that it does) then so what? It's a shrink. And it's an EOL product. Intel has said that this will likely be the last desktop rev of the P3. I wouldn't expect them to spend the development costs to design and integrate a new FPU into a product that will not continue to evolve. That would be insane.
Re:New PIII hampered by old-tech FPU (Score:1)
its really slow now, you know.
BTW, can I check my e-mail with it? That would be great. I think then i could finally open those attachments...
Oh, my son says he'll have more fps then, well, is that something with girls?
Intersting name-- (Score:1)
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Re:How about two processors on one die? (Score:1)
Gee, I'd love to have one of those on my desktop... no idea what I'd use it for, but I'd still love to have one!
MadCow.
How about two processors on one die? (Score:2)
Just-dreaming-ly-yours,
Madcow.
Re:Core chips. (Score:1)
feh
Re:New PIII hampered by old-tech FPU (Score:1)
Re:Correct, not in the current line up. (Score:1)
Re:Uhh... (Score:3)
Re:What would YOU do with 10GHz? (Score:1)
Re:Here is the most interesting part... (Score:1)
Re:Multi Processor Boxes (Score:2)
Re:New names for Intel... (Score:5)
Core chips. (Score:4)
At AMD, the latest generation of chips are currently being designed with flow-through core transistors, so it'll really be more like a "smart capacitor" than a integrated circuit, like most CPUs. I have been tasked with writing the VLIW compiler for the new chips, and I can tell you that they really do fly, and use less power than teh traditional Athlon/Duron series, while retaining the power and in fact doing a lot of optimisation thanks to the new VLIW instructions that are being ingrained into the core.
All I can say is, folks, look out for this one. It will be hot. (but not because of excessive power consumptionDwain Snyders
Research and Development, AMDRe:so small! (Score:5)
Don't feel bad... my "chip" is only 4"
Oh God... you're all talking about microprocessors... I thought you were talking about... I'm so embarrassed...
For the ones complaining about the name: (Score:2)
Did you see that? It says 'code named', meaning it's not neccesarily going to ship under that name. Read the article...
Remember the AMD Duron's code name was 'Spitfire'. You don't need me to tell you it didn't ship under that name.
Re:Uhh... (Score:2)
It's named after a bunch of stuff in Portland, OR... the Tualatin River, Tualatin Valley... etc.
What would YOU do with 10GHz? (Score:2)